This will explain everything.

simpleman1776

New Member
Everyone they have taken to court has been convicted. To lose one case would set a precedent and open the floodgates. Don't throw yourself in front of the Bus. There may be an obscure case somewhere that the defendent won, (I'm sure some dork will point that out to me) but I'm not aware of any, and dont want to test the governments resolve on this issue. I pay so little taxes anyway that it is not a huge issue to me at this time, my pre-retirement income years, it really pissed me off.

Not true, joe banister ex IRS agent and Tommy Crier a tax attorney both were found not liable for income tax.So have many other people , 1 being a school teacher from west. va.

there is no law requiring you to pay tax on wages, it's a tax on corp. profit, it's fraud that they got you convinced you are liable.

find the law and post it and i'll send you 10 grand, because I know of a company offering 300 grand for it, I've looked for it for 18 yrs, it's not there.

they got capone on CFR 2701, alcohol,tobacco and fire arms, there is a mandatory provision to file and pay, but CFR 2601, internal revenue the thieves you pay every year, there is no provision.

this is a nation of laws, no law means there is no requirement to file and pay income tax (federal) it's voluntary.

I have not paid since 1987.

i got 1 letter 1 time and sent back a reply.

asking if they can please send me the number of the law, so i can read it and interpit it and pay what I'm liable for.

I never heard back, it's been 20 yrs. I bet I woke someone up.
 

dirtyal1223

Smoky McPot
The US constitution provides the gov't with the means for an income tax. It says that the are allowed to tax any gain, profit, income etc. as long as it is uniform throughout the country
 

simpleman1776

New Member
no it doesnt. it gives the authority to tax commerce. go look up (income) in blacks law dictionary, that is the book of words for laws, it says corporate profit.

also, uniform ?, you answered it yourself, are there not there different percentages for different incomes ? is that uniform ?

duh.

even so, if it did say that, and it doesnt or you would post it word for word and claim the 10 grand, the CFR 2601 internal revenue code would surly say that, wouldn't it ?

let me ask you 1 more time.

what is the number of the law, in the internal revenue code CFR2601, that obligates americans to file and pay the federal income tax.

dont give me that line of crap about the amendment saying it, when it doesnt.

if it does, post it.

what's the number of the law.

when you speed, they write a number of the law you broke, when you go to court the number is there on the paper work.

what is the number of the law, if there is no number, that means there is no law on file for reference.

that means there is no law.

period.


there is no number of the law for picking your nose, thats because there is no law.


your ignorant of the facts, you are convinced it means what it doesnt say, and it doesnt say what it means,, that's not the way america works dude.
 

iblazethatkush

Well-Known Member
Not true, joe banister ex IRS agent and Tommy Crier a tax attorney both were found not liable for income tax.So have many other people , 1 being a school teacher from west. va.

there is no law requiring you to pay tax on wages, it's a tax on corp. profit, it's fraud that they got you convinced you are liable.

find the law and post it and i'll send you 10 grand, because I know of a company offering 300 grand for it, I've looked for it for 18 yrs, it's not there.

they got capone on CFR 2701, alcohol,tobacco and fire arms, there is a mandatory provision to file and pay, but CFR 2601, internal revenue the thieves you pay every year, there is no provision.

this is a nation of laws, no law means there is no requirement to file and pay income tax (federal) it's voluntary.

I have not paid since 1987.

i got 1 letter 1 time and sent back a reply.

asking if they can please send me the number of the law, so i can read it and interpit it and pay what I'm liable for.

I never heard back, it's been 20 yrs. I bet I woke someone up.
Wow awesome post, man. This is what I was looking for. That was a great response asking for the number of the law. I bet that shut them the fuck up real fast! Welcome to the site:blsmoke:
 

simpleman1776

New Member
1987 1997 2007
20 yr's since i paid and i'm still here free and clear.

how would you have liked to save that 30% per year, every year for 20 yrs.

you cant argue with joe banister and tommy crier being found not liable for federal income tax as for they are not engaged in alcohol,tobacco or fire arms, the only mandatory taxable income.

the rest is voluntary. not 1 penny goes to the fed, it goes to the IMF and funds the united nations and staves off hyper inflation of a fiat currency by reducing the amount of fiat currency in circulation every year by 30%.

it's a transfer of wealth and we're on the short end.

it's fraud, it's treason.

it's fact.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Excellent stuff, simpleman. This is a topic that I've been interested in for many years. A question: Are you an employee or an independent contractor?

I've read a lot of Irwin Schiff's work. When he was in front of the tax court, he took out his checkbook and said: "Your honor, the IRS says I owe $120,000. I would like to save the taxpayers the money it will cost for this trial. If anyone in this courtroom, including anyone from the IRS, can show me the law that says that I am one who is liable to pay a tax on my income, I will write a check this instant for $120,000." No one came forward ... but Schiff did a two-year stint in prison anyway.

Vi
 

simpleman1776

New Member
my employer agrees with me, we dont pay the tax.

"but Schiff did a two-year stint in prison anyway." he did 2 yr's for a frivilious return, he came up with assessing yourself zero liability and was in error.

the tax is volentary, I choose not to volenteer to pay it.
 

ViRedd

New Member
OK, so does that mean that your employer doesn't report your income to the IRS?
Are you saying that Shiff is in error by filing "zero" returns?

Do you just not file at all? That's what Schiff did in the beginning ... and that, as I understood it, was what put him in jail.

Please understand, I'm not questioning your position ... I agree with it.

Vi
 

dirtyal1223

Smoky McPot
Income tax is uniform throughout the country. Its proportional to your income so it affects any kind of person the same as any other.

And also, the 16th Amendment

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

You think this wasnt really ratified because a few states had some punctuation errors in their books. Wow, even if this is true, its a BS excuse.

Id be worried if i were you, you never know when you get another letter or someone shows up at your door. If you dont mind me asking, what kind of work do you? (Im not IRS)

Look at schiff, even if you pose this argument of yours in a court of law, your not getting off. And dont get me wrong, i am all for not having an income tax but in the kind of country we live in theres no way around it. the govt gets theirs.
 

simpleman1776

New Member
what is the number of the law. so I can go to the Code of Federal Regulations 2601, Internal revenue Code and look it up and quote it.

stop giving your interpetation, you are dead wrong.

there is no law listed in the tax code. there is no law.

schiff was a pioneer, he made mistakes, we know know the truth and have won a bunch of trials.

again I write, Former IRS agent joe bannister.
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WorldNetDaily: IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability


eat crow dude, you've been swindled all your life and you are defending the swindlers, go learn to read and interpet law dude.

you are dead wrong.
 

simpleman1776

New Member
Income tax is uniform throughout the country. Its proportional to your income so it affects any kind of person the same as any other.

And also, the 16th Amendment

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

You think this wasnt really ratified because a few states had some punctuation errors in their books. Wow, even if this is true, its a BS excuse.

Id be worried if i were you, you never know when you get another letter or someone shows up at your door. If you dont mind me asking, what kind of work do you? (Im not IRS)

Look at schiff, even if you pose this argument of yours in a court of law, your not getting off. And dont get me wrong, i am all for not having an income tax but in the kind of country we live in theres no way around it. the govt gets theirs.

there's no other way to say this than, you are an idiot.

if the ammendments dont match word for word and / or punctuation then it's invalad, they must match 100%, thats the law dummy.

they did not have 38 states rattify it

the ammendment was passed on dec. 31st 1933 ,at midnight by 3 congressman, not a majority house vote, congress was closed for the holiday session.

ohio is listed as passing it(rattifying it) but the vote says different it did not pass ohio, west VA. it says the house speaker says it appears to have passed, not good enough, the gov. must sighn it into law. another one miscounted.

uniform means accross the board equal, smoke another one dude or go back to school.

it's a tax on commerce, not wages.

the surpream court has ruled the 16th ammendment has given congress no new powers. it just defined them.

by sighning a w-4 or 1099 you volenteer into the system, dont fill one out and you dont volenteer, fill one out and dont file it's tax evasion.


already got a letter 18 yrs ago, i'm not afraid of them. I'm not a sissy like you. I'm a man. i stand up for my rights , I dont follow non laws.


last but not least, i'm sitting in my 250 grand house , paid in full, with my 20 yrs of tax savings.

how about you ?

are you stupid enough to pay a tax thats not listed in the internal revenue code, a tax from an ammendment passed by 3 men at midnight when congress was not in session, a tax that 3/4 of the states did not rattify


ha hha ha... dummy.
 

simpleman1776

New Member
i'm still laughing out loud at this one.

"Id be worried if i were you, you never know when you get another letter"


a letter, oh man, I dont want a letter, I'd have to run for the hills if If I got a letter, hey momma...I got a letter, it's all over. what am i gonna do. a letter


BWAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA.. a letter.


America, the greatest nation in the world ever, reduced to cowards fearing a letter.
 

dirtyal1223

Smoky McPot
youre not afraid of them? you grow pot in your own privacy. You hide that dont you? DOnt prtend like youre not afraid. You are an idiot if youre not afraid of goign to jail. Or maybe you like it in the ass.

Do you have some kind of proof that 3 congressman passed it one night? No, you dont. Otherwise the law wouldnt exist. And it does. Thousands of people go to prison every year for tax evasion. Its very real. I think those desperate lawyers that put commercials on tv for their practice would have figured this one out. I cn see it now. "Have you not been paying your taxes? Well now you dont have to. Just call this 1 8000 number and you will be tax free" haha yeah right. In the history of tax evasion you gave us 2 cases where the people got out of it and you dont even have their argument. It could be totally diff from yours and you dont know.

And yes its across the board equal. It affects each person equally dumbshit. It wouldnt be equal if a poor person were taxed as much as a rich person.

"the surpream court has ruled the 16th ammendment has given congress no new powers. it just defined them."

Yeah? And it defined that they could tax income. Im sorry that they didnt think of it as a super power.

And im smart enough to just pay my taxes bc its a law and i dont want to go to jail.

Wow, haha a 250,000 dollar house paid in full? Thats like one years property tax on my houses. You probably dont make enough $$$ so the govt doesnt really care about your negligable amount of taxes.

Yeah a letter sounds harmless right? Watch when a letter lands you in jail. You are going to be the idiot that gets a letter demanding that you pay money that you dont have. Then you will get that feeling in your stomach like your life just ended. And then you will be sitting in your cell saying to yourself "a letter?"
 

dirtyal1223

Smoky McPot
Just remember, when it comes down to it. You dont pay taxes and you grow cannabis. Any govt trouble, any run in with someone you dont like, are on the radar. The govt can hold your taxes over you as leverage. And you may think its cowardice to pay your taxes but its the smart move. Id rather be a genius than some tax evading idiot who SOOOOOO brave bc he dosent file tax forms.
 

dirtyal1223

Smoky McPot
"America, the greatest nation in the world ever, reduced to cowards fearing a letter."

And dont blame me for the American govts faults. Jack Bauer would be afraid of a tax evasion letter. It means you are going to prison if you dont pay. So go ahead and pretend you dont care but i know you do.
 

dirtyal1223

Smoky McPot
"the ammendment was passed on dec. 31st 1933 ,at midnight by 3 congressman, not a majority house vote, congress was closed for the holiday session.

ohio is listed as passing it(rattifying it) but the vote says different it did not pass ohio, west VA. it says the house speaker says it appears to have passed, not good enough, the gov. must sighn it into law. another one miscounted."

haha biggest conspiracy theory i have ever heard. Stop wasting intelligent peoples time with this nonsense. Go back to school, get your degree, and then get a job that pays you enough so you can pay your taxes as well as grow your pot.
 

dirtyal1223

Smoky McPot
"by sighning a w-4 or 1099 you volenteer into the system, dont fill one out and you dont volenteer, fill one out and dont file it's tax evasion."

I showed you my law, now you show me the one that explains this little diddy. haha
 

simpleman1776

New Member
>You are an idiot if youre not afraid of goign to jail<

been there done that. 3 times now for standing up for my rights,I'm no coward, our founders did more then go to jail for what they believed in, most died.

>DOnt prtend like youre not afraid<

in 1999, I was the Indiana baptist temple tax stand off as the represenitive of the ohio militia, we marched 3 blocks to the indiana federal reserve building, surrounded it with 1250 people and screamed, we're not paying your tax anymore, go find a copy of the march, I'm the one leading the pack with the german shepherd.

afraid, yes, a sniviling coward , NO!

>Do you have some kind of proof that 3 congressman passed it one night<

it's a matter of congressional record, go look it up, I'm not doing it for you, I can tell you speak from ignorance, go research it and learn the truth.it'll do you some good.

>No, you dont. Otherwise the law wouldnt exist<

that's the point, there is no law, i hear a lot of lips flapping but no-ones posting the law, no law means there is no law.

there is no law, if there is post it, prove me wrong. or shut up and learn the truth.

>Thousands of people go to prison every year for tax evasion.>

is that so, name 1. those people file a w4 and then dont file or they cheat on a tax return. the gov's own records say 60 million dont file or pay the tax.
go look it up, i'm not doing it for you.

>In the history of tax evasion you gave us 2 cases where the people got out of it< there are many more, go research it, i'm not doing it for you.

read joe banisters web page, he tried to prove it wrong and proved it right and now spreads the truth

Freedom Above Fortune was founded by Joseph R. (Joe) Banister, a former IRS Criminal Investigation Division Special Agent who learned of serious constitutional questions relating to the federal income tax and the federal banking and monetary systems. Mr. Banister&#8217;s expertise in the fields of accounting, finance, taxation, and law enforcement enabled him to not only understand these issues but realize that he could play a role in bringing the issues into the public arena for analysis and debate.

Freedom Above Fortune - Home

joes own words from his web page
Over a two year period from early 1997 until the early 1999, I conducted a thorough investigation, off-duty and at my own expense, into claims made by various researchers and activists that the IRS was administering and enforcing the federal income tax beyond what was authorized by law and that most Americans were not liable to pay the federal income tax but were deceived and intimidated into paying it.

Such claims would seem to be preposterous and unbelievable and I initially thought so too. My expectation was that the falsity of such claims would be manifested quickly because false claims rarely withstand close scrutiny. However, I was as surprised as anyone that I ended up encountering and accumulating significant amounts of evidence indicating that what at first appeared to be preposterous and unbelievable claims was, instead, able to withstand my detailed investigative scrutiny.

When I had gathered enough evidence to convince myself that the IRS could indeed be administering and enforcing much of the federal income tax under "color of law" rather than proper legal authority, resulting in the wholesale violation of people's rights and fraudulent confiscation of their money and property, I met with my San Jose IRS supervisors to voice my concerns and share some of the evidence I had acquired. I made it very clear to my supervisors that I had taken an oath to God to support and defend the U.S. Constitution and because of that oath, the 9th Commandment prohibition against bearing false witness against my neighbor, not to mention my general moral and ethical standards, I believed I had a duty to speak up about what I had learned through my investigation (Exhibit 5).
I had hoped that my direct IRS supervisors and their supervisors above them would, at a minimum, show me the error of my analysis and conclusions and address my concerns about the wholesale violation of people's rights (Exhibit 6). The Chief of the San Jose IRS Criminal Investigation Division instead responded to me by providing me with a very brief memorandum indicating that the IRS would not address my concerns. The memorandum also encouraged my resignation and immediately placed me on administrative leave

i am right, you are wrong. eat crow.


I can tell by your post you are in denial, to the point that you've become combative and vindictive rather then upset your view of the world and reality, well I take great pleasure in telling you.

you've been swindled and you are defending the people and the means at which they did it.


go smoke another one dude.

reality is closing in on you.


as i said before i am no coward, I am out in the open, i have been to armed stand off's, tax protests, they know who i am, I was jailed 3 times for friviliouse civil contempt charges, all were dropped and I walked free, but not before starting a truth movment behind the bars.

I also exposed the drivers license as a commercial requirment not a mandatory requirment for passenger vechicles and now people are petitioning the judges to have cases thrown out as for they are not required to have a commercial drivers license to drive a car .


you live in a fake reality and it's crashing down around you little by little,
you'll wake up eventually and claim you've been in the know all along, I can just tell.

i woke up long ago and dont regreat any of it.

i am a free man, i serve no-one and fear no-one,
I'd rather die then live on my knees as a slave , next to you.

get up, brush off that dirt, educate yourself and reclaim your freedom slave.

if you dont, you have no-one but yourself to blame.:hump:
 

simpleman1776

New Member
>Jack Bauer would be afraid of a tax evasion letter.

that explains everything, dude, that guy is not real, it's tv stupid.

>Thats like one years property tax on my houses<
i seriously doubt that dirty old trailer is worth that much

2 taco's please.
 
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