Has your favorite strain been geneticly tampered with??

Do you think some strains have been scientifly alterred?


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stinkbudd1

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I came across this article when i was looking for the best Skunk strain to grow indoors, and thought it was very interesting. Now mind you, im from the inner city and ive heard of growers doing lots of things to crops to give the elusion of a more potent high or say trippy high, from spraying them with shit etc. But this is interesting because ive smoke good Skunk weed for more then 30 years and i have come across recently some strains that gives you this very uncomfortable high ie: nervousness, paranoid, etc. I've never had this reaction to the Skunk that i was smoking back in the day even as recently as the mid to late 90s..So after reading this just makes you wonder, has your favorite strain been tampered with...?

THE effects of cannabis on mental health have attracted much attention over the years. As far back as the 19th century it was recognized that cannabis could induce a transient psychosis which mimics the symptoms of schizophrenia. Despite this, until the last decade or so, most psychiatrists regarded cannabis as essentially benign.
This, however, is at odds with recent research which concludes that in a susceptible minority, cannabis use can push the brain towards long-term psychosis requiring mental health treatment. Susceptible young people who use cannabis increase their risk of developing a chronic psychotic disorder such as schizophrenia, and the more cannabis they consume, the higher the risk.
Additionally, people with schizophrenia who have a history of cannabis use tend to go through their first breakdown up to five years earlier in life than those who do not use the drug. Psychotic patients who fail to give up cannabis experience more symptoms, more relapses and end up in hospital more often.
These discoveries about the link between cannabis and psychosis have been widely reported in the media, often accompanied by warnings that street cannabis has risen in strength in recent years and therefore poses a major health risk to the susceptible minority.
This, however, is too simplistic: the type of cannabis taken is an important factor. Street cannabis has indeed changed over the years. So-called "skunk" does contain higher than normal concentrations of the main psychoactive compound, a molecule called delta-9-recognized (THC). What is less well known is that another constituent, cannabidiol (CBD), has been eliminated from skunk through selective breeding to increase the THC content.
The elimination of CBD may play a key role in the development of psychosis. Laboratory studies have shown that pure, synthetic THC causes transient psychosis in 40 to 50 per cent of healthy people. In stark contrast to THC, CBD appears to have an anti-psychotic effect, at least in animals. Studies in humans, though few in number, have produced similar findings.
The elimination of cannabidiol from skunk may play a key role in the development of psychosis In one human study, published in Neuropsychopharmacology (DOI: 10.1038/npp.2009.184), Sagnik Bhattacharya and colleagues at the Institute of Psychiatry in London used functional MRI brain scanning to study the effects of THC and CBD on the brains of healthy volunteers. They found that THC and CBD acted in opposition; in brain regions where THC increased neural activity from a baseline, CBD decreased it, and vice-versa.
In a further experiment, a group including one of us (Morrison), in collaboration with the Beckley Foundation, compared the effects of a mixture of synthetic THC and CBD, (to mimic traditional cannabis) with THC on its own (to mimic skunk). The aim was to find out if CBD offered protection against the psychotic effects of THC.
Healthy volunteers were given the molecules intravenously for two sessions. They received the same amount of THC during each session; the only difference was whether they received CBD as well. Thirty minutes after injection a consultant psychiatrist interviewed the volunteers and rated their experiences. Overall, volunteers were rated as being significantly less psychotic after being given THC and CBD compared to THC on its own. The implication is that the presence of CBD in cannabis counteracts THC's tendency to trigger transient psychosis.
Another study from the Institute of Psychiatry by Marta DiForti and colleagues reached similar conclusions for chronic psychosis. They compared the cannabis habits of 280 newly diagnosed psychotic patients with those of 174 healthy volunteers who were matched for age, sex, educational attainment and socio-economic status. Both groups were equally likely to have tried cannabis, but, strikingly, psychotic patients were seven times more likely to have been skunk users. So in real life, as well as in the lab, THC unopposed by CBD appears to be particularly hazardous for mental health (British Journal of Psychiatry, vol 195, p 488).
This research has important implications for both street and medical marijuana. On the medical side, the question is whether CBD will be a useful antipsychotic in its own right.
To help find out, the Beckley Foundation is setting up a research project in collaboration with University College London and a leading medical marijuana dispensary in California which supplies over 30,000 patients. The study will analyse different strains of cannabis for their THC and CBD content. Patients will be asked which strains they find most effective, how they compare with conventional drugs, and to rate other effects, both beneficial and negative.
As for street cannabis, the Beckley Foundation hopes that this research will be used to make it safer. Skunk, with a typical THC content of 15 to 19 per cent and a CBD content of zero, has come to dominate the street market. Ironically, many consider skunk's market dominance to be a consequence of prohibition, as illegal drug markets have always tended towards higher potencies.
The Beckley Foundation sees this as yet another argument for regulating the recreational cannabis market. Only in a regulated market can the knowledge from this research be used to create strains which are less hazardous for users.
The evidence supports the idea that nature knows best, and that the reintroduction of CBD would be beneficial. Two molecules are better than one.
Amanda Feilding is director of the www.beckleyfoundation.org Buckley Foundation, a charitable trust based in Oxford, UK, that promotes the investigation of consciousness and its modulation.
 

d.c. beard

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There's a lot of talk in the UK about 'Skunk' weed, and they refer to any high-potency cannabis as Skunk basically. It's like some big scare they have over there about the Skunk weed. But for real though they have found like glass shavings, lead bits, silicon, etc. all sorts of things in the pot over there from people trying to get the product to weight more or look better to make more money off of it. It's really the adulterants that they're putting in it that's the REAL scare.

But I never have heard a discussion about the total lack of CBN causing problems. I think everyone's heard the old scare-tactics abut cannabis causing schizophrenia, but there's never really been an educated argument about why or how it does I guess.

But if all high-grade cannabis is considered 'Skunk' in the UK, I find it very hard to believe that ALL the CBN has been breed out of ALL of the strains floating around over there. Seems to me maybe the research group got ahold of some very unique herb, and since they're not going to keep going around buying illicit drugs, they worked off of what they had and based their conclusions off of it alone. Who knows, maybe there is some truth in their statements, but I don't think we have too much to worry about over here in the states, as long as you can keep from getting adulterated pot. I myself prefer a complex high with plenty of CBD and CBN myself, so I know I won't have to worry cause the strains I grow have more than just THC. I wonder why they never mentioned CBD at all...?

Someone from the UK should chime in...
 

stinkbudd1

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Great post D.C as always very knowlegable and to the point with real talk..You eased my mind a lil but i still say ive come across some scary shit here in the U.S like it had crack in it made me paranoid as hell so id like to know more.. just for the record im not a mental patient...Thanks D.C
 

stinkbudd1

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By the way if this is the case isnt almost 60-70% of strains on the market a skunk mix? that would be f****ed..can someone from the UK weigh in on this subject is it truth or gander?
 

d.c. beard

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Great post D.C as always very knowlegable and to the point with real talk..You eased my mind a lil but i still say ive come across some scary shit here in the U.S like it had crack in it made me paranoid as hell so id like to know more.. just for the record im not a mental patient...Thanks D.C
Haha ya damn schizo! lol No it was probably juiced-up if anything. You know, laced with PCP.

By the way if this is the case isnt almost 60-70% of strains on the market a skunk mix? that would be f****ed..can someone from the UK weigh in on this subject is it truth or gander?
Yeah but I think that it's the UK growers breeding out the CBN supposedly, not the actual breeders of the strains like Skunk#1. Anyone could, over time, selectively breed a strain with an already high THC and low CBN count to be higher THC and lower CBN. But why would you? I think this problem is unique to the UK and some of Europe, like Germany and France. I don't think it's that widespread though.
 

stinkbudd1

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Haha ya damn schizo! lol No it was probably juiced-up if anything. You know, laced with PCP.



Yeah but I think that it's the UK growers breeding out the CBN supposedly, not the actual breeders of the strains like Skunk#1. Anyone could, over time, selectively breed a strain with an already high THC and low CBN count to be higher THC and lower CBN. But why would you? I think this problem is unique to the UK and some of Europe, like Germany and France. I don't think it's that widespread though.
Good to know man got off those PCP and ACID trips in the early 80s dont need to bring that shit back for me nomore im still scared of palm trees. lmao
 

Evil Buddies

Ganja King
The way i see it if u have mental health issues, cannabis can bring it out in peple. Some people are mad to begin with and strong cannabis can help trigger it off.

This isnt for everyone only a few minority of the peope who use cannabis have mental health issues. Cannabis just isnt for some people, some can smoke it others cant its not for them.

The government have to make up some story to or mix lies wih the truth so they can be anti cannabis. For the person who has no knowledge on cannabis they will believe what the government is saying. Instead of having an open mind and witnessing for themselves.

Just coz a few people can turn mad if consuming cannabis doesnt mean its bad for the rest of us.


Evil
 

stinkbudd1

Well-Known Member
The way i see it if u have mental health issues, cannabis can bring it out in peple. Some people are mad to begin with and strong cannabis can help trigger it off.

This isnt for everyone only a few minority of the peope who use cannabis have mental health issues. Cannabis just isnt for some people, some can smoke it others cant its not for them.

The government have to make up some story to or mix lies wih the truth so they can be anti cannabis. For the person who has no knowledge on cannabis they will believe what the government is saying. Instead of having an open mind and witnessing for themselves.

Just coz a few people can turn mad if consuming cannabis doesnt mean its bad for the rest of us.


Evil
My man, You missed the whole focus point of the thread and journal and poll we are not here to argue politics of this assumpion pro or con we simply want to know if you believe that there are strains that have been manipulated im going to do some more reading up on the THC AND CDB to get a better undrestanding of how they work together to balance each other out in regards to cannabis..And by the way as i've stated i've smoked some herb that has made me nervous to the point of almost paranoiud did not like the high at all and im a 30 year plus smoker and this never happened to me until recently when all the newer strains began to surface..When you tell yourself you know everything you set yourself up to know nothing because you fail to believe anyone but yourself....
 

Evil Buddies

Ganja King
My man, You missed the whole focus point of the thread and journal and poll we are not here to argue politics of this assumpion pro or con we simply want to know if you believe that there are strains that have been manipulated im going to do some more reading up on the THC AND CDB to get a better undrestanding of how they work together to balance each other out in regards to cannabis..And by the way as i've stated i've smoked some herb that has made me nervous to the point of almost paranoiud did not like the high at all and im a 30 year plus smoker and this never happened to me until recently when all the newer strains began to surface..When you tell yourself you know everything you set yourself up to know nothing because you fail to believe anyone but yourself....
Yeah sorry about that, i smoke the stronger strains and i dont get that paranoid feeling. As for the cbds they are what gives cannabis there medical properties and not all of them are known. There are strong skunks that have high cbds and good for medicinal users. So on that note i have to agree that the cbds found in the plant have different affects on us. So my theory is that there are different types of cbds have there own properties, So if a strain has been cross bred and the cbds that contain antiparanoia properties or gone, then i will have to agree with u on that. As the cbd that contains the anti paranoia affect is missing therefore u get paranoia

As for geneticaly modifying the plants i dont think this has been done. I have heard of one drug that can be addded to the plant that will make it a giant. Some sort of poison and once this drug has been added to the plant it cant be smoked or it will poison us. But the seeds then can be grown have the same monster qualities as the parent plant but contain none of the poisn. I will see if i can find a post about it.

Once again sorry to go off the track :bigjoint:


Evil
 

stinkbudd1

Well-Known Member
Yeah sorry about that, i smoke the stronger strains and i dont get that paranoid feeling. As for the cbds they are what gives cannabis there medical properties and not all of them are known. There are strong skunks that have high cbds and good for medicinal users. So on that note i have to agree that the cbds found in the plant have different affects on us. So my theory is that there are different types of cbds have there own properties, So if a strain has been cross bred and the cbds that contain antiparanoia properties or gone, then i will have to agree with u on that. As the cbd that contains the anti paranoia affect is missing therefore u get paranoia

As for geneticaly modifying the plants i dont think this has been done. I have heard of one drug that can be addded to the plant that will make it a giant. Some sort of poison and once this drug has been added to the plant it cant be smoked or it will poison us. But the seeds then can be grown have the same monster qualities as the parent plant but contain none of the poisn. I will see if i can find a post about it.

Once again sorry to go off the track :bigjoint:


Evil
http://www.springerlink.com/content/m233x87734t507t0/

This is a link describing the Colchicine and its affects on the metabolism in plants. If i can find something more informative i will post it.

Evil
There you go my man thats what im looking for, i knew you had a very informative insight on the subject thanks for the great post the knowledge and the refferences it is kind of my belief as well that this could have been done unknowingly but definatly done..+REP to you and thanks ..

So your poll answer is (no)..?
 

dirtnap411

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I answered yes, because, unless you're smoking landraces, man has had his grubby mits in your pot's genetic makeup.
 

stinkbudd1

Well-Known Member
So there are strains without CBD's now. lmao
I'm not sure if that is what i said, or if the article said such so i'll check the story again to be sure..No need to check my statement becouse im pretty sure i did not say all cdb's taken out!

I answered yes, because, unless you're smoking landraces, man has had his grubby mits in your pot's genetic makeup.
I can understand that point of view, i feel that way about a lot of things that have been tamperred with to make it so called better...Thanks for the thoughts..
 

stinkbudd1

Well-Known Member
By the way, if there are any doctors or chemist out there that have some actual fact's against this then let me know, this is an opinion poll with dialog for debate, not arguments or fake ass know it all's, all i ask is if you have a response to the question why not give your reason for having it.....Peace This short message was put here for no one person in particular but instead for anyone that wants to highjack a discussion with negative post...Thanks
 

KAOSOWNER

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First of all they mention Transient Psychosis Both words are key here,

Transient meaning.... Something usually lasting a short time

Definition
Psychosis is a loss of contact with reality, usually including false ideas about what is taking place or who one is (delusions) and seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations).
Alternative Names
Psychotic
Causes, Incidence, And Risk Factors
Psychosis is a severe mental condition in which there is a loss of contact with reality. There are many possible causes:
Alcohol and certain drugs
Brain tumors
Dementia (including Alzheimer's disease )
Epilepsy
Manic depression ( bipolar disorder )
Psychotic depression

Also the effect "getting high" could itself be considered a transient psychosis

We all know about the cop and his wife who made brownies and thought they were going to die, i also have smoked with someone who had similar effects with marijuana. And have smoked with a guy who hallucinates when he smokes marijuana. And we all know the people who are just plain fucking stupid when they smoke... All of those in my opinion are cases of "Transient psychosis", All can be directly related to marijuana use... however there have been people like this as far back as there has been marijuana. So in my opinion its all B.S

also they mention Genetically altering the plant, I wonder if they consider hybrids a genetic alteration because i do... Botany is a science so as growers we are all scientists in my opinion

So i say yes we do alter our plants. do those effects cause psychosis Absolutely but that is the purpose
and synthetic THC is crap
 

d.c. beard

Well-Known Member
Well spoken KAOS, you make a great argument and it's always helpful to incorporate definitions into it along the way.

I still vote 'no' though, because even though we do all alter the outcomes of our plants' offspring as farmers (constantly selecting for better traits), we are only picking out individuals that express traits caused by alleles already contained in it's genetic makeup. This is simply selecting from from the already existing pool of options.

So basically I feel we as humans, without the use of chemicals on the plant, are tampering with phenotypical expressions and traits, not genotypical ones.

Now Monsanto, THAT's genetic modification.
 

stinkbudd1

Well-Known Member
Wow, Kaos and D.C what a great way to start my day two outstanding post if this keeps up i'll more knowledge then i can use.. both very valid points but what im also looking for in this is the knowledge part of the equation that i have knowledge myself with some bud i relate scitzo with paranoia anxiety both of which i thought was more associated with speed and or acids i hope i said this right..peace

By the way cant + rep you again D.C already have but def one to you Kaosnice post with some meat on it as well....
 

d.c. beard

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Haha I can't rep you yet either man! But I like how you said his post had "lots of meat on it". Next time I'll try to put some stank on it. lol
 
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