Section 8

[meowmix]

Good ol' Hempy's Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States;

1) To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

2) To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

3) To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

4) To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the
Standard of Weights and Measures;

5) To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

6) To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

7) To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited
Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

9) To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

10) To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

11) To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

12) To provide and maintain a Navy;

13) To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

14) To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

15) To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for
governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United
States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers,
and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline
prescribed by Congress;

16) To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

17) To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or
Officer thereof.

 

[medicineman]

Good ol' Hempy's Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States;

1) To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

2) To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

3) To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

4) To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the
Standard of Weights and Measures;

5) To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

6) To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

7) To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited
Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

9) To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

10) To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

11) To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

12) To provide and maintain a Navy;

13) To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

14) To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

15) To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for
governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United
States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers,
and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline
prescribed by Congress;

16) To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

17) To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or
Officer thereof.

There is a huge difference of opinion about general welfare.

 

[upnorth2505]

What's your spin, and what point are you making? Most of us have read this. Let's hear your view point and how you think this aplies today.

 

[medicineman]

What's your spin, and what point are you making? Most of us have read this. Let's hear your view point and how you think this aplies today.

Actually I don't have a spin. I just think the term "general welfare" could be used in many ways. Like "General" meaning almost anything, and "Welfare" meaning well being, could mean the general well being of it's citizens, which by definition would surely include comprehensive health care. I've always maintained that in a society like ours, the supposedly richest on the planet, health care should be a right, not a priveledge. You'll notice that all those railing against this bill and single payer are already rich enough to afford decent health care. You won't see poor people denouncing the opportunity to finally have some relief in the health care theater. If that's spin, then so be it. I call it common sense. BTW as a disclaimer, I already have the cadillac insurance plan, 2 times, teamster retiree health care and VA.

 

[meowmix]

This is just for anyone who has never read it before or could use a refresher. Its obvious to me plenty of people have not. After reading, plenty of things become apparent, I don't think anyone worthwhile needs my run-through =)

What's your spin, and what point are you making? Most of us have read this. Let's hear your view point and how you think this aplies today.

 

[upnorth2505]

Actually I don't have a spin. I just think the term "general welfare" could be used in many ways. Like "General" meaning almost anything, and "Welfare" meaning well being, could mean the general well being of it's citizens, which by definition would surely include comprehensive health care. I've always maintained that in a society like ours, the supposedly richest on the planet, health care should be a right, not a priveledge. You'll notice that all those railing against this bill and single payer are already rich enough to afford decent health care. You won't see poor people denouncing the opportunity to finally have some relief in the health care theater. If that's spin, then so be it. I call it common sense. BTW as a disclaimer, I already have the cadillac insurance plan, 2 times, teamster retiree health care and VA.

Hey Med! I Know where you're comin' from. Let's talk. But was wonderin bout where the OP was comin' from.

 

[upnorth2505]

This is just for anyone who has never read it before or could use a refresher. Its obvious to me plenty of people have not. After reading, plenty of things become apparent, I don't think anyone worthwhile needs my run-through =)

Fair enough. But why do some of us need a refresher? What things become apparent in #8 that is relevent today? Or are we all "unworthy" of knowing what your point is?

Do you have a point at all? If you do, let us know. That is the purpose of the politics section.

 

[meowmix]

I could think of alot of my general welfare that would be nice if it could be given to me at nobody elses expense.

Ya know insurance companies are just banks. Always with the banks. In 2014, if you dont make banks a shitload more profitable and glutenous, the government will fine you. That fine goes...fuck who knows where. Maybe it just goes to pay interest, to banks, on our countries loans .....

Actually I don't have a spin. I just think the term "general welfare" could be used in many ways. Like "General" meaning almost anything, and "Welfare" meaning well being, could mean the general well being of it's citizens, which by definition would surely include comprehensive health care. I've always maintained that in a society like ours, the supposedly richest on the planet, health care should be a right, not a priveledge. You'll notice that all those railing against this bill and single payer are already rich enough to afford decent health care. You won't see poor people denouncing the opportunity to finally have some relief in the health care theater. If that's spin, then so be it. I call it common sense. BTW as a disclaimer, I already have the cadillac insurance plan, 2 times, teamster retiree health care and VA.

 

[meowmix]

You're just trying to kick up some shit. Pretty sure I typed it all out in plain english. I only speak/type english.

Fair enough. But why do some of us need a refresher? What things become apparent in #8 that is relevent today? Or are we all "unworthy" of knowing what your point is?

Do you have a point at all? If you do, let us know. That is the purpose of the politics section.

 

[ViRedd]

Health care is a good and/or service. In order to provide that good/service for free, means that something of value is going to have to be taken from someone else. In other words, in order to provide that "right," the rights of another will have to be violated. The "right" to health care sounds more like the right to theft to me.

 

[meowmix]

Involuntary Servitude (Amendment 13 US Constitution)

Health care is a good and/or service. In order to provide that good/service for free, means that something of value is going to have to be taken from someone else. In other words, in order to provide that "right," the rights of another will have to be violated. The "right" to health care sounds more like the right to theft to me.