The Left = Trifling

[mookie brown]

HAHAHAHAHA the guy who started this thread is a joke. As if we are democratic politicians here spending our time on rollitup.org. He's got to come to grips that we are just everyday people who mostly get high enjoying ourselves on this forum & not disgruntled like he is. Your party lost over a year ago in the election. Dude get over it !! Go listen to Rush & have a jolly good time. I'm looking forward to seeing who the far right will have to be the front runner in next presidential election. It will be entertaining.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

Well, he got us into a war on a lie. He used the war so his cronies could profiteer with sweetheart no-bid contracts that ripped off the American people.

Maybe that is not "fucking up" the country, but it is certainly not something to be proud of.

Especially when they designed the war,,,,There still profiting not even being in power!
Yea there smart at deceving themselves and the people to put is in a no win situation,,,For US,,,But they sure the hell made out like bandits Pay back is a Bitch and you can clearly see who's "Bitchin'.
America Love it or Leave Now Please

 

[doc111]

Well, he got us into a war on a lie. He used the war so his cronies could profiteer with sweetheart no-bid contracts that ripped off the American people.

Maybe that is not "fucking up" the country, but it is certainly not something to be proud of.

There are many things about the Iraq war that I'm not proud of as an American veteran. They are too lengthy and personal to go into in this forum. I still think it was a necessary war given the context we found ourselves in post 9/11. I think the world is a little better with Saddam gone. It saddens me how many innocent civilians and young men and women had to sacrifice to make this a reality but I saw firsthand how Saddam treated the people under his regime.

 

[jeffchr]

There are many things about the Iraq war that I'm not proud of as an American veteran. They are too lengthy and personal to go into in this forum. I still think it was a necessary war given the context we found ourselves in post 9/11. I think the world is a little better with Saddam gone. It saddens me how many innocent civilians and young men and women had to sacrifice to make this a reality but I saw firsthand how Saddam treated the people under his regime.

yea, sure the world is a little better place with saddam gone. was it worth over 4,000 americans killed and 30,000 injured, many of them permanently handicapped? i don't think so.

but the point is bush/cheney didn't care about saddam at all, except possibly from a pr perspective.

cheney was running that show and the motivation was profiteering, not justice. if cheney was going for 9/11 justice, he would have concentrated on Afghanistan and Pakistan. no oil - no cheney.

 

[jeffchr]

HAHAHAHAHA the guy who started this thread is a joke. As if we are democratic politicians here spending our time on rollitup.org. He's got to come to grips that we are just everyday people who mostly get high enjoying ourselves on this forum & not disgruntled like he is. Your party lost over a year ago in the election. Dude get over it !! Go listen to Rush & have a jolly good time. I'm looking forward to seeing who the far right will have to be the front runner in next presidential election. It will be entertaining.

that will be entertaining. the door is wide open. when you are a party of idiots, any idiot will do.

 

[dukeofbaja]

Romneycare 2012

 

[TheProfessor]

you write "moderate conservatives" but so obviously mean those republicans who have long ago abandoned the tenets of conservatism, those that cater to the envious mob in hopes of garnering a few more votes. just as the democrats have whored themselves out to the interests of wealth redistribution and the culture of entitlement, that reasonable element of the republican party you're so concerned about has betrayed the conservative voters and turned their party into advocates for socialism lite. that huge segment of the american public that adheres to conservative principles has found themselves without a voice in the political arena and they are merely trying to regain that voice.

certainly there are extremists within the ranks of the tea party movement, but their numbers are no more substantial than those within any other movement. calling a desire to return some power to the advocates of limited government and adherence to the constitution only goes to show just how far our representatives and their puppets in the media have strayed from the philosophy upon which this country was built. by labeling them all as fanatics you denigrate the traditions of individual liberty and self-reliance that are behind so much of conservative ideology, attempting to substitute the creed of the herd and the rhetoric of envy for our more lofty ambitions.

OK, I believe you've made my point for me. The Tea Party Movement is nothing more than a bastard child coming from a temper tantrum of the far right and the frustration of the libertarians whom have had too many years without a viable party to get candidates into office.

Libertarians and conservatives... Strange bedfellows it would seem, unless you look at the libertarian movement, it always has something in common with whatever party is in the minority. So please don't tell me any rally/protest/movement is legitimate because some libertarians showed up.

Modern conservatism is a failed ideology. Plain and simple. In it's death throws it is giving this impression of growth and relevance but in fact it it is dying. Just like 20th century communism and socialism failed, this re-branded anarchism labeled as libertarianism humping the leg of the more powerful zealotry of the christian far right whom in turn are begging for the table scraps of the wealthiest among us will fail. Axis of evil anyone? The lawless in bed with zealots funded by and subservient to the wealthy?

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

when you are a party of idiots, any idiot will do.

argumentum ad hominem
Oldest trick in the book - - in kindergarden and congress.

 

[beardo]

sara palin is awsome and sexy her speetches are awing and they should amp up the tea bagging. tea bag obama till sara's president

 

[dukeofbaja]

sara palin is awsome and sexy her speetches are awing and they should amp up the tea bagging. tea bag obama till sara's president

You speak for the average, run of the mill, Palin supporter I bet. No less than 10 spelling/grammar errors (that I noticed offhand). Let me help you...

Sarah Palin is awesome and sexy. Her speeches are awing and they should amp up the tea bagging. Tea bag Obama until Sarah is president.

 

[beardo]

You speak for the average, run of the mill, Palin supporter I bet. No less than 10 spelling/grammar errors (that I noticed offhand). Let me help you...

Sarah Palin is awesome and sexy. Her speeches are awing and they should amp up the tea bagging. Tea bag Obama until Sarah is president.

thanks for your help. im glad we agree on palin for prez....yeah spelling is not my strength..i went to and was thrown out of public school. we need better teachers and good teachers should be well paid

 

[undertheice]

The Tea Party Movement is nothing more than a bastard child coming from a temper tantrum of the far right and the frustration of the libertarians whom have had too many years without a viable party to get candidates into office.

there's nothing that can be done for those who see no relevance in abiding by the constitution and limiting the grasp of governmental corruption. refusing to see the swing of the pendulum, always back and forth, is a blindness that seems to afflict partisans of every stripe. that the mob mentality is present in both extremes is obvious, but at least the conservative end of the spectrum offers the opportunity of the individualism that its liberal counterpart denies and reviles.

while i'm sure that labeling conservatism as a far right concept is comforting to the leftist proponents of oppressive government, i can't help but see it as a desperate attempt to rationalize their irrational viewpoint. at once decrying the abuses of a melding of government with business and lauding the expansion of government into business would seem to be far beyond the reaches of logic. the simple fact is that those you consider the fringe element of society represent the awakening of at least a portion of the population to this destructive paradox inherent in liberal philosophy. for each bible thumping, racist redneck that makes a fool of himself to the delight of the media's hungry cameras, there are hundreds who, though embarrassed by such antics, nod silently and can't help but agree that the political animals who claim to know what is best for the country are nothing more than self-serving thieves. for each obnoxious talking head spouting the nonsense of death panels and and the overthrow of the american way of life, there are a thousand quietly expounding on the virtues of the self-reliance and personal responsibility that have always been an important part of the american experience and to which the liberal establishment merely pays lip service, while implementing programs designed to slowly undermine those traditions. no amount of politically instigated class envy can erase the nearly two and a half centuries of the american people's insistence on determining their own individual destinies. it's hard to tell if this may be the point in history at which the american people finally tire of supporting the growing welfare state and its attendant corrupt bureaucracy. one can only hope that such a point will finally come and we can get on with the business of following the path our founders intended.

to tell the truth, i'm much too high for this shit right now and i'm finding the audacity of anyone who comes on this site, labeling himself "the professor" and spouting the nonsensical rhetoric of false liberal superiority, to be more than a little irritating. i think i'll roll up another number and relax to the insipid fantasy of evening television until i can crash and dream of.......

 

[dukeofbaja]

thanks for your help. ...spelling is not my strength..i went to and was thrown out of public school.

Congratulations, I was expelled from public school as well.

Not a valid excuse for not learning your ABCs.

You do a great job of showcasing the average Palin supporter - uneducated and proud of it.

 

[TheProfessor]

to tell the truth, i'm much too high for this shit right now and i'm finding the audacity of anyone who comes on this site, labeling himself "the professor" and spouting the nonsensical rhetoric of false liberal superiority, to be more than a little irritating. i think i'll roll up another number and relax to the insipid fantasy of evening television until i can crash and dream of.......

Quoting my favorite part!

Why am I irritating? Could you not consider you might be irritating to me?

We probably agree on a million things but disagree on a handful on this particular thread.

Oh, and picking on my interwebz handle for this site is not cool, it proves nothing. My screen name here was never meant to imply that I am smarter than anyone or am teaching/preaching to anyone. You would probably laugh your ass off if you knew where that came from. It was given to me by my wife not because of anything smart I did, but because of some stupid shit I did once... on a skateboard while trying to show off in front of my kids about how "us old school skaters" invented all the cool tricks. Busted my ass.

 

[doc111]

yea, sure the world is a little better place with saddam gone. was it worth over 4,000 americans killed and 30,000 injured, many of them permanently handicapped? i don't think so.

but the point is bush/cheney didn't care about saddam at all, except possibly from a pr perspective.

cheney was running that show and the motivation was profiteering, not justice. if cheney was going for 9/11 justice, he would have concentrated on Afghanistan and Pakistan. no oil - no cheney.

Some of you libs on here must be bi-polar. On the one hand you are saying that we can't trust the govt. They lied to us about the Iraq war, sent 4,000 young men and women to their deaths and were only interested in profit. On the other hand you are saying that we can trust the govt. with our healthcare, our most personal information. They don't want to ration care or use death panels to see if it's "worth it" to treat some illnesses. Seriously man! Which is it? You can't have it both ways. Either they lied about every aspect, as you libs like to claim, of the war or they are a nice warm and fuzzy govt. that only has our best interest at heart. I think I get it though. Bush was the anti-christ, blah, blah, blah, blah...........

BTW your post looks like a talking point from the Ed Show.

 

[undertheice]

Quoting my favorite part!

Why am I irritating? Could you not consider you might be irritating to me?

of course i'm irritating. i'm a crotchety old fart, infuriated by the betrayals of the liberal leadership and astounded at the willingness of so many supposedly intelligent people to buy into their duplicity. after all, i'm just a half step away from poor white trash and my opinions are built on nothing more than a lifetime of standing against the petty insults and prying eyes of our would-be masters. if you don't walk away from a political forum at least a little bit irritated then you probably weren't paying attention. so don't take the snide little jests so seriously and enjoy the frustration of life here in the slow lane. oh, and welcome to our little slice of purgatory.

 

[doc111]

of course i'm irritating. i'm a crotchety old fart, infuriated by the betrayals of the liberal leadership and astounded at the willingness of so many supposedly intelligent people to buy into their duplicity. after all, i'm just a half step away from poor white trash and my opinions are built on nothing more than a lifetime of standing against the petty insults and prying eyes of our would-be masters. if you don't walk away from a political forum at least a little bit irritated then you probably weren't paying attention. so don't take the snide little jests so seriously and enjoy the frustration of life here in the slow lane. oh, and welcome to our little slice of purgatory.

Nicely put!

 

[jimboob]

This whole stink about healthcare has made me lose even more respect for the conservative movement. The Prez made quite a few compromises and watered the bill down. Cant the right even claim a victory for that. Last year at this time, I wouldve thought we were getting the whole shebang

 

[jimboob]

the Professor is right on about the pendulum and the mob. but I cant give up on the welfare state. People need second chances. People need help. Alot of people are too prideful to ask for help when they really need, so the hold it against people who do ask. america isnt exactly at the front of the globalization line. We need EVERYONE supporting the economy to compete globally. If we kick all the poor people to the curb, there will be an unforeseen backlash.

and about the war. I heard on NBC news that the richest counties in america are all Suburbs of Dc. Thanks to all the war profiteering. Allthose cosultants got uber-rich

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

but I cant give up on the welfare state. People need second chances. People need help.

If you wanted to get stoned today, asked me for a J & I turned you on you would think that pretty cool.
Tomorrow when the same scenario plays out & you get even more free pot you would undoubtedly think that was still very cool.
Fast forward two years from now as our little drama is enacted daily with you getting high when ever you wanted for free.
What exactly have you learned in the proceeding twenty four months? That all you have to do is ask & you get free weed, and as time goes by you feel as though I owe you the freebies.
You could have simply put your back into it and grown your own, but there is no sense in that - all you have to do is ask.
Hence the entitlement mentality.

I'm all for assisting those that are down on their luck through no fault of their own, but supporting career welfare families that do nothing but spit out yet more welfare recipients is illogical and fiscally irresponsible.
GWN