Did you get your census questionaire?

[CrackerJax]

I sleep on a box spring only.... i take no chances....

 

[fdd2blk]

The only difference is we don't trust them, and you do. We're not silly, just more paranoid. And really, Ive learned it pays to be paranoid.

For example, I didn't get the flu vaccine cause im paranoid the mercury might make me as dumb, dull and naive as the next person. As a result, im at a lower risk of getting the H1N1 virus.

i never stated if i filled mine out or not. i don't need public approval to justify my actions. you have no idea what i think or feel. you are making assumptions and you may be wrong. sorry.

 

[CrackerJax]

Progressives live by assumption.... a fatal political flaw.... just ask Obama.

 

[Near]

The only difference is we don't trust them, and you do. We're not silly, just more paranoid. And really, Ive learned it pays to be paranoid.

No, it pays to have fear regarding things that warrant fear. By definition paranoia is false.

All we are discussing is answering the census questions, that's it. We're not talking about a form which signs over all of your rights and makes you a slave to the government. It's just a census form.

It's healthy to have a certain level of suspicion towards any government or power. However, when you're afraid to answer the census you have become a paranoid and fearful person.

 

[CrackerJax]

It is you who keep insisting we are paranoid... but aren't you working for the census?

So you are hardly an objective poster....

I will never disclose anything other than my name and address. Not your business. it simply isn't....and it IS unconstitutional.

 

[fdd2blk]

they could really give two shits about any of us personally. it's all just numbers on paper. now complain about the statistics when they come out. you all will.

whatever gets you out of bed in the morning is all that matters.

 

[Near]

It is you who keep insisting we are paranoid... but aren't you working for the census?

So you are hardly an objective poster.

What are you talking about? I'm not a census worker. I never said that I was.

 

[Rob Roy]

i bet you all cut the tags off your mattresses.

bunch of rebels.

Worse...I sent in the ripped off tag in lieu
of my census.

 

[CrackerJax]

What are you talking about? I'm not a census worker. I never said that I was.

My apologies then.

But realize that anything other than the total number of ppl in a household is all that is constitutionally required...and the reason for all the detail is to redraw political lines.

The true purpose of the census...has been subverted...and NOt by Obama himself...it started much earlier...and if this forum was here 10 years ago.... you would have heard me say the exact same thing.

 

[Near]

and the reason for all the detail is to redraw political lines.

You made the same accusation earlier; that the census is used for gerrymandering. Where is your evidence? You weren't able to provide any reason at all before.

 

[CrackerJax]

You made the same accusation earlier; that the census is used for gerrymandering. Where is your evidence? You weren't able to provide any reason at all before.

Read on....and be amazed.

A Bipartisan Call To Action On Redistricting

Wednesday, June 24th, 2009 Reps. John Tanner (D-Tenn) and Mike Castle (R-Del) who co-sponsored the Fairness and Independence in Redistricting Act submitted the following Op-Ed piece that appeared in Roll Call:

The 2010 Census has already been front-page news, igniting angry partisan controversies involving Cabinet nominees, potential third-party contractors and even statistical methodology. Little attention has been paid, however, to the Congressional redistricting that will follow and to the abuses that have become inherent in the process.
In dozens of states across the country, politicians will quite literally be sitting down to select their constituents instead of the other way around. And those constituents will be stuck with those decisions for a decade. This is not the democracy that is taught in civics classes across this great nation.
With that process once again so close at hand, it is more urgent than ever that the American people demand that Congress fix this broken system and curb the abuses of gerrymandering that engineer predetermined political outcomes.
Each state has the authority and responsibility to design a Congressional district map that will best serve its citizens, drawn according to population, geography and federal voting rights laws, including the Voting Rights Act. We share the view of many that these district lines should not, however, be drawn to benefit certain candidates or political parties.
We will introduce legislation this week to reform the redistricting process. The Fairness and Independence in Redistricting Act would limit redistricting to once a decade, after census data is available, to be carried out by an independent commission made up of bipartisan appointees. Our legislation will be similar to legislation originally proposed in the 109th Congress and that we sponsored in the 110th Congress.
It will not be easy to convince our colleagues to reform a process that often helps ensure their re-election. The push, therefore, must come from outside organizations and grass-roots approaches. Americans for Redistricting Reform and the groups in it, including the League of Women Voters, the Brennan Center for Justice, U.S. PIRG, the Committee for Economic Development, the Campaign Legal Center and the Republican Main Street Partnership, are strong advocates for fixing our broken system. Other organizations from across the political spectrum have joined us in this fight and will continue to decry the implications of a broken system.
Our Founding Fathers wisely knew the American people needed a legislative body directly responsive to their interests. By their vision, the House of Representatives was to be the only federal entity elected directly by the people (Senators were originally selected by state legislatures). They designed the House’s two-year election cycle to make Members directly and immediately accountable to the electorate.
Over time, however, many involved in the system have learned to manipulate it. Gerrymandered district lines, in effect, silence the voices of those who disagree with them politically. Too often, the process today utilizes advanced mapping technology, along with polling and party affiliation data, to draw district lines that protect incumbents and weaken the voice of each district’s minority party.
The judicial system has effectively sanctioned this culture of gerrymandering with various rulings permitting blatant partisan power grabs. A 2006 Supreme Court ruling essentially gave state legislatures freedom to redistrict anytime they want — even in the middle of a decade — for whatever purpose they want, including pure political gain.
Currently districts are engineered with impunity to protect incumbents, with voters’ voices diluted as they are packed together to achieve partisan ends. The resulting preordained outcome feeds citizen apathy, drives down voter turnout, depresses competition and entrenches incumbents who are protected from real competition and real accountability at the polls. The only serious challenges to these “safe seats” come from the extreme wings of their own parties, only serving to further polarize Congress.
Under this system, many Members of Congress are more beholden to a partisan base than to solution-oriented pragmatism. The outcome is a polarized political atmosphere where few are willing to work together in the political center, where most Americans reside.
Unfortunately, the public outrage that is still mustered over partisan gerrymanders builds and crests as the voters are divvied up by politicians every 10 years. By the time the next census comes along, the public, and even the media, is not paying much attention until it is too late.
America’s disaffected voters have been missing from this movement to reform the process, but their voices will be necessary to change the system. Most Americans today do not realize the negative impact many years of gerrymandering has had on Congress’ ability to accomplish the nation’s common goals.
Even as we face the greatest economic challenges most Americans have ever lived through, polarization and gridlock brought on by gerrymandering has limited Congress’ ability to address the issues with effectiveness, common sense and bipartisanship. The time to act is now, before the next election (the last before the census) is upon us and it is too late. We are asking our colleagues, our allies and the American people to help us to rectify this grave miscarriage of democracy.
​

 

[Cali chronic]

Why do they need names? race Gender and age can give a picture of the neighborhood and its needs. Of course I filled mine out--- if you are not counted then they wont hire enough Police to police the community--- or fix the roads they ruin with their yellow and orange trucks/

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

Read on....and be amazed.

A Bipartisan Call To Action On Redistricting

Wednesday, June 24th, 2009 Reps. John Tanner (D-Tenn) and Mike Castle (R-Del) who co-sponsored the Fairness and Independence in Redistricting Act submitted the following Op-Ed piece that appeared in Roll Call:

The 2010 Census has already been front-page news, igniting angry partisan controversies involving Cabinet nominees, potential third-party contractors and even statistical methodology. Little attention has been paid, however, to the Congressional redistricting that will follow and to the abuses that have become inherent in the process.
In dozens of states across the country, politicians will quite literally be sitting down to select their constituents instead of the other way around. And those constituents will be stuck with those decisions for a decade. This is not the democracy that is taught in civics classes across this great nation.
With that process once again so close at hand, it is more urgent than ever that the American people demand that Congress fix this broken system and curb the abuses of gerrymandering that engineer predetermined political outcomes.
Each state has the authority and responsibility to design a Congressional district map that will best serve its citizens, drawn according to population, geography and federal voting rights laws, including the Voting Rights Act. We share the view of many that these district lines should not, however, be drawn to benefit certain candidates or political parties.
We will introduce legislation this week to reform the redistricting process. The Fairness and Independence in Redistricting Act would limit redistricting to once a decade, after census data is available, to be carried out by an independent commission made up of bipartisan appointees. Our legislation will be similar to legislation originally proposed in the 109th Congress and that we sponsored in the 110th Congress.
It will not be easy to convince our colleagues to reform a process that often helps ensure their re-election. The push, therefore, must come from outside organizations and grass-roots approaches. Americans for Redistricting Reform and the groups in it, including the League of Women Voters, the Brennan Center for Justice, U.S. PIRG, the Committee for Economic Development, the Campaign Legal Center and the Republican Main Street Partnership, are strong advocates for fixing our broken system. Other organizations from across the political spectrum have joined us in this fight and will continue to decry the implications of a broken system.
Our Founding Fathers wisely knew the American people needed a legislative body directly responsive to their interests. By their vision, the House of Representatives was to be the only federal entity elected directly by the people (Senators were originally selected by state legislatures). They designed the House’s two-year election cycle to make Members directly and immediately accountable to the electorate.
Over time, however, many involved in the system have learned to manipulate it. Gerrymandered district lines, in effect, silence the voices of those who disagree with them politically. Too often, the process today utilizes advanced mapping technology, along with polling and party affiliation data, to draw district lines that protect incumbents and weaken the voice of each district’s minority party.
The judicial system has effectively sanctioned this culture of gerrymandering with various rulings permitting blatant partisan power grabs. A 2006 Supreme Court ruling essentially gave state legislatures freedom to redistrict anytime they want — even in the middle of a decade — for whatever purpose they want, including pure political gain.
Currently districts are engineered with impunity to protect incumbents, with voters’ voices diluted as they are packed together to achieve partisan ends. The resulting preordained outcome feeds citizen apathy, drives down voter turnout, depresses competition and entrenches incumbents who are protected from real competition and real accountability at the polls. The only serious challenges to these “safe seats” come from the extreme wings of their own parties, only serving to further polarize Congress.
Under this system, many Members of Congress are more beholden to a partisan base than to solution-oriented pragmatism. The outcome is a polarized political atmosphere where few are willing to work together in the political center, where most Americans reside.
Unfortunately, the public outrage that is still mustered over partisan gerrymanders builds and crests as the voters are divvied up by politicians every 10 years. By the time the next census comes along, the public, and even the media, is not paying much attention until it is too late.
America’s disaffected voters have been missing from this movement to reform the process, but their voices will be necessary to change the system. Most Americans today do not realize the negative impact many years of gerrymandering has had on Congress’ ability to accomplish the nation’s common goals.
Even as we face the greatest economic challenges most Americans have ever lived through, polarization and gridlock brought on by gerrymandering has limited Congress’ ability to address the issues with effectiveness, common sense and bipartisanship. The time to act is now, before the next election (the last before the census) is upon us and it is too late. We are asking our colleagues, our allies and the American people to help us to rectify this grave miscarriage of democracy.
​

Like Gn'r,,,,Lie's lie's lie's nothing further to say, except don't trust cracker and his guppies Hype

 

[Near]

Read on....and be amazed.

Amazed? I'm not even mildly impressed. The Republican congressmen merely make the accusation that the census is used for gerrymandering, just as you did earlier. They fail to provide a scrap of evidence to support their claims. They simply went on to explain how gerrymandering is a bad thing, which of course everyone knows.

or fix the roads they ruin with their yellow and orange trucks/

The roads that they built.

 

[CrackerJax]

Uhhh...what about the Democrat?

Everyone knows huh....except you of course......Here's what you just posted.... read on and be ashamed.

You made the same accusation earlier; that the census is used for gerrymandering. Where is your evidence?

There you go....the evidence you didn't even think existed.... now you say everyone knows that.

That's a fail.

 

[Near]

Everyone knows huh....except you of course......Here's what you just posted.... read on and be ashamed.

You made the same accusation earlier; that the census is used for gerrymandering. Where is your evidence?

There you go....the evidence you didn't even think existed.... now you say everyone knows that.

That's a fail.

Again you seem confused. Earlier you thought I was a census worker and now you have made a basic reading error. I don't really mind because I don't think you're doing it intentionally. However, it would be more forgivable if you didn't say that I "fail" and should "be ashamed".

Here's what I said:

The Republican congressmen merely make the accusation that the census is used for gerrymandering, just as you did earlier. They fail to provide a scrap of evidence to support their claims. They simply went on to explain how gerrymandering is a bad thing, which of course everyone knows.

In the first two sentences I'm stating that no evidence has been provided to support the accusation that the census has been used for gerrymandering. In the last sentence I'm stating that the authors of the piece explain that gerrymandering is a bad thing, which "of course everyone knows". Understand now?

 

[CrackerJax]

see when put two sentence fragments TOGETHER...you tie intertwine them by intent.

You made the same accusation earlier; You even put the link in... ( &

that the census is used for gerrymandering.


To anyone reading those two together implies you DON'T think the census is used for gerrymandering.

Now that is basic.... and squirm all you want to...but there it is.

Your later "correction" came AFTER my response to the post I just illustrated... not fooling anyone there.

 

[Near]

I really don't understand if you're trolling or what. I never made any "correction", no idea what you're talking about.

Are you purposefully trying to change the subject? You still haven't been able to provide any evidence to support your claim.

 

[CrackerJax]

Oooh another blooming Einstein ... not.

post 110. Yours...

You made the same accusation earlier; that the census is used for gerrymandering. Where is your evidence? You weren't able to provide any reason at all before.

=============================================================
Post 111 Mine...

Read on....and be amazed. (evidence did follow, but I didn't post it here for brevity) reasons GIVEN

===============================================================

Post 114 Yours....

Amazed? I'm not even mildly impressed. The Republican congressmen merely make the accusation that the census is used for gerrymandering, just as you did earlier. They fail to provide a scrap of evidence to support their claims. They simply went on to explain how gerrymandering is a bad thing, which of course everyone knows.

=================================================================

and poof.... timeline exposed....

You CLEARLY are confused...not I.

You inferred that gerrymandering and the census were NOT connected (which should of course be COMMON knowledge)....

Then when I post the evidence.... you claim... everyone knows that!!

Then why make post 110? your squirming comes AFTER my answering your posit. of course.... so go ahead and act confused.... i don't think it is an act at all.

 

[fdd2blk]

i never saw the evidence either.