the smelly male

[growone]

wannabe breeder here, well more of a 'make my own crosses' breeder, more of a F1 creator
anyhow, here's a fundamental question on the 'smelly male'
often recommended that a smelly male is a good candidate for breeding
so have 1 male and 1 female currently, kind of simplifies my problem actually
was trying to gauge how smelly my male was, a jock horror from nirvana
jock horror actually has a rep for low odor, an this male is pretty low odor
when i do rub it, get a pretty fair skunky smell
i'm a old time outside grower, can't really remember how much smell males had
do they usually have the smell of a female, or are they low smelling in general?

 

[MEANGREEN69]

not sure it may depend on how stable the strain is....i read in hightimes (forgot the

breeders) but they said when u pick your male do it befor the lights come on...i

guess they smell more after being in the dark for a bit...

 

[growone]

not sure it may depend on how stable the strain is....i read in hightimes (forgot the

breeders) but they said when u pick your male do it befor the lights come on...i

guess they smell more after being in the dark for a bit...

thanks for that tidbit meangreen69, interesting
femmes similar in that resin is less degraded at start of light cycle?
i will try it and see if there's a difference between end and start of light cycle
+rep for my 1st breeder infol

 

[d.c. beard]

I find males to generally be much smellier than their female counterparts, until the girls start to get a ways into bloom. Then the girls take the title back at that point.

Things I would scrutinize in a breeding male:

Growth structure.
Internodal spacing.
Speed of growth in veg.
Speed of growth in flwr.
Amount of pollen sacs.
Size of pollen sacs.
Amount of secondary growth.
Smell.
Susceptibility to infestations and disease.

 

[growone]

I find males to generally be much smellier than their female counterparts, until the girls start to get a ways into bloom. Then the girls take the title back at that point.

Things I would scrutinize in a breeding male:

Growth structure.
Internodal spacing.
Speed of growth in veg.
Speed of growth in flwr.
Amount of pollen sacs.
Size of pollen sacs.
Amount of secondary growth.
Smell.
Susceptibility to infestations and disease.

quite a list dc beard, i like the 'size of pollen sacs', big balls eh?
so robust, tight noded males are the pick of the litter?
my male is definitely low smell then, unless rubbed, in which case a pretty good skunk smell appears
i've got a low smell nl#5 female, a cross with this jock horror may be interesting
it does meet your list pretty well, grew like a bat out of hell for its last week before moving to a window seat
+rep for the thoughts

 

[Jester88]

I find males to generally be much smellier than their female counterparts, until the girls start to get a ways into bloom. Then the girls take the title back at that point.

Things I would scrutinize in a breeding male:

Growth structure.
Internodal spacing.
Speed of growth in veg.
Speed of growth in flwr.
Amount of pollen sacs.
Size of pollen sacs.
Amount of secondary growth.
Smell.
Susceptibility to infestations and disease.

good answer

and to thread poster (sorry its late)
umm yeah males can smell without touch and some wont obviously the ones you can smell are more than likely going to be better, but to get a good indication rub the stem with your fingers a little then smell your fingers.

hehe smell my finger duude....

 

[growone]

good answer

and to thread poster (sorry its late)
umm yeah males can smell without touch and some wont obviously the ones you can smell are more than likely going to be better, but to get a good indication rub the stem with your fingers a little then smell your fingers.

hehe smell my finger duude....

hey jester, late answer is just fine, we'll call this a vote for the 'smelly male'
i figured there would eventually be a thread like this at some point, so i kicked it off though just a beginner breeder
from my limited reading, male selection may be more important than female selection
not saying both aren't big, but the big time breeders seem to have their choice males that seem to predominate their crosses

 

[Jester88]

hehe yeah i got slack and was hoping this forum got off to a start before i started posting. (tbth i forgot they made the sub section im devo they didnt give it its own full section, but uts a star)

they both have there things they bring to the table, and it also depends on thegenetics the male may have the dominant genetics in he cross yet the female may as well. its a catch 22 sitcho. umm if you look at my sig theres a breeders link... just mainly copy and paste jobs with a bit of my oppinions thrown in where needed.

basically think of it like this the better the male the better the offspring. THC seeds say it icely when they reffer to there males as studs and to be prized.

if you read through the thread youll find things like this whic i believe your after.
It has been my observation that the females primarily contribute the type of flavor and aroma and the males contribute the amount of flavor and odor. The "Sativa/Indica" aspects of this formula are mainly apparent in the P1 or very early filial crosses (to about f3). Beyond the f3 generation the apparent "Sativa/Indica" ratio in a given individual is less important than the odor/flavor and trichome development aspects it exhibits. Therefore, one of the main aspects to consider when selecting a male is the depth of its aroma and flavor. (If you are seeking to develop a low-odor indoor strain you might wish to begin with a low-odor Sativa male and an Indica female.) check the link in my sig for her whole article . i think youll find it very enlghtening

there both equally as important. after eliminating all the one you could almost guarantee wont give you waht you want you will generally be left with a few males to choose from.. this is where it gets tricky as partuial pollination is needed or pollination of seperate clones.

you will then have to grow out the second generation and see which cross has best suite your needs if any. if not you may have to try again or choose new parents in the progency perhaps. its all in there compatibility.

the reason for this is the dominant and recessive recombinations in the crosses and how the parents breed together. this is the important factor in breeding. sure theres the just fucking around approach and that can go rather well in a lot of cases but at the same time one stupid cross can fuck up your strain so its good to take clones and keep them aive for backup hehe.

this is why we utilize punnet squares to predict outcomes and take note of the phenotypes of our babies, these are the only visible indication we have of the genotypes of the plant as general people. this is what breeding is all about (manipulating genetic frequencies) and as you may find it may not be the expected male that brings what you want to the breeding table.

anyhoo i fear im about to go off topic i believe your answer is done lol. sorry if im confusing you.

to answer your last sentence though
like i said there males are there studs, in a lot of cases they keep them around as hey know what they will bring to the breeding table.

hope this helps just my take on the whole thing. sorry if it dont make sense but im well medicated at this pressent time lol.. ill have another read later and fix any fuck up if i notice any lmfao.

peace out
j88

 

[WusSupHoez420]

yea im growing a granddaddy purp two of them, there only like a month old but one i rub the stem and let me tell you it smelly like stright FUNKKKK. the other one is not sooo strong...........mybe ones a female, maybe ones a male?

 

[Jester88]

umm grandaddy purple is a clone as far as i knew. and if you have seeds someones more than likely managed to self or breed with another good srain, who know possibly the breeder even did a nice backcross to a parent and got a nice kick atart to a somewhat GDP breed. but that could only be done by the person with the origional plant/cuts really. as they culd have acess to the origional parent stock and start stabilizing after a back cross perhaps

meaning i see some possible problems in what your hoping for.
1a: they may be fems possibly selfed,

1b: if so you may just have to different recombinations of genetics and one s obviosly far btter than the other.

2: possible hermie traits, when breeding fems rhodelization is the best technique to use, you then breed this plamnt with a true female and then get fairly stable fems. well as far as fems and stability can really be anyway lmfao. to breed them yu have to starrt dealing with the hermie trait and this can be bad for the future. hermie genes may start spreading into clean genepool and showing up or ruining things down the line.. like a crop of sensamilla for instance.

3: GDP was outcrossed and you have some of the result

4: you got jibbed

 

[WusSupHoez420]

umm grandaddy purple is a clone as far as i knew. and if you have seeds someones more than likely managed to self or breed with another good srain, who know possibly the breeder even did a nice backcross to a parent and got a nice kick atart to a somewhat GDP breed. but that could only be done by the person with the origional plant/cuts really. as they culd have acess to the origional parent stock and start stabilizing after a back cross perhaps

meaning i see some possible problems in what your hoping for.
1a: they may be fems possibly selfed,

1b: if so you may just have to different recombinations of genetics and one s obviosly far btter than the other.

2: possible hermie traits, when breeding fems rhodelization is the best technique to use, you then breed this plamnt with a true female and then get fairly stable fems. well as far as fems and stability can really be anyway lmfao. to breed them yu have to starrt dealing with the hermie trait and this can be bad for the future. hermie genes may start spreading into clean genepool and showing up or ruining things down the line.. like a crop of sensamilla for instance.

3: GDP was outcrossed and you have some of the result

4: you got jibbed

um i think your wrong about it only being a clone but w.e theres so many strains and seeds out there you cant even say that.

But no i didnt get "jibbed" as you say lol cuz its from a bagseed but the dude's dude i get it from grows so im thinking its eathier that or that and sumthing else mixed, but let me tell you its funk as hell......
but im sure you know more about me so u mite be right

 

[WusSupHoez420]

http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-strains/granddaddy_purple.html so its not just from a clone.

 

[Jester88]

umm i think youll find it is a clone only... ive looked for the seeds myself. and even that link shows no place to buy it. the origional plant may even have been the only of its kind in the cross so thats why its a clone only strain. the world of breedings not for everyone and its just as easy to sit on an awsome mother/clones for most people as its all they really need.

the closest youll get as said before is a clone, perhaps some selfed seeds or crossed seeds but the only person technically that clould ever bring out the seeds is the person with the cut and they would have to do one backcross or perhaps a sibling cross to achieve sees and beging breeding from there. (perhaps even cross the parents again fiind a similar match and breed the new one with the old gdp cut.

but hey what do i know.

 

[growone]

jester, many thanks for the quick male overview, males contribute to the intensity of the odor hmm?
wonder if that goes with intensity of resin development?
my 1st cross looks to be a male jock horror with a female nl#5, more of a back cross as nl#5 is part of the jock horror ancestry
flavor is a good thing, but quality of the high is my 'holy grail', the better the quality of high, the better the strain, for my needs anyways

 

[Jester88]

yes thats a key in most breeding projects. Potency/ quality of high/type of high and effects

these are the genes we are manipulating to get the desired results, i think you may be quite surprised in the results.

yes the male adds to potency etc, but as i think i said before it may not be the best male that passes along the traits you want in every case . i personally ook at the trichome production on males too.

the thing is dealing with all the dominant and recessive genes. although a plant may not eschibit the traits itself it can pass them on. take an ibl strain for example
they generally all come frome the same genestock and can ultimately only be genetic reproductions of the genetic makeup that are one at random.

kinda like when a black kid pops out of a family of white people and the reason is in fact not cos of a cheating missus, but the recessive black genetics in therre genepool somewhere along the lines. the kid is showing the recessive traits of the family line.

bear in ming this is a double edged sword. the wrong selections have ruined many a good breeding project.

 

[hymem]

hings I would scrutinize in a breeding male:

Growth structure.
Internodal spacing.
Speed of growth in veg.
Speed of growth in flwr.
Amount of pollen sacs.
Size of pollen sacs.
Amount of secondary growth.
Smell.
Susceptibility to infestations and disease.

Those are great traits to look for. What about quickness to develop pollen sacs? I have a male that started to shed pollen after only a few weeks of Veg...... developed crazy fast. Anyone had any experience with males that are early developers?

 

[MEANGREEN69]

yeah thats something i look for too..how fast & how much pollen..

and roots got to have lots of roots.

 

[Jester88]

as long as its not showing autoflowering traits its up to you.. i dont like the idea of ruderallis genetics spreading through more genepools.

id like for someone to take the time and over generations make an autoflowering strain thats potent.... that would be the perfect building block as it will have the autoflowering potential to outbreed without the instability... but thats would take ages..

though if the strain is in the developing stage.. that is its not to stable your males may show and mature at different rates this is good to take into account as your plants may be leaning more to one side of the genetic pool...

ie: afghan X Thai

the flowering time of afghan should be relatively quick so you could pick the one that more afghani than the rest and if its flowering and reaching maturity fast along with its looks you may be able to tell that the father has the afghani traits were after...

again compatability must be taken into account.

also i noticed it said veg.though i assumed you meant flower?? and yes the more pollen sacks and pollen the better.. i view them as something like the males calyx to leaf ratio.. also look for tight clusters of balls etc.. you know just a good male.. also take into account the environment its in... a good plant will produce a lot less in less light... but if its a proven or believed in (aka showing potential or your best) male you can use a lot less light ad work with what you get. there will be less pollen more times than none and the plants will stretch but thats the environment effecting the plant making it stretch. its pollen will still be the same.. so take the environment into account.

 

[Handson]

yeah thats something i look for too..how fast & how much pollen..

and roots got to have lots of roots.

Yeah, I've got a lemon skunk male in isolation that really stinks. Thinking of crossing it with cheese. I'll call it lemon cheese cake. A good thing I look for also is nodes, lots of nodes and close inter nodal spacing.

 

[d.c. beard]

Also look for big 'knuckles'. The area where the lateral shoot extends out from the main stem. Right at the junction some plants have a bulbous bulge, which I've found strengthens the branches and provides extra support for heavy buds. Some plants have knuckles, and some do not.