Questions like, how do we leap from a Chimp to a being capable of what we are.
Heres the link to the article explaining how there's PROOF we lost photographic memory for the ability to have in depth conversations. If it wasn't for this ONE ability, we would be living the same as all the other animals...
(If we couldn't communicate we wouldn't have infrastructure..how would we build anything complex without being able to pass on instructions.)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...mory-task.html
Its funny you mention the chimp, this experiment puts chimps vs humans...chimps beat us. And you say why are we the only smart species...
You asked how we went from chimp to human...well thats how we evolved mentally to THINK like we do, and we would have lost fur as we started to use textile clothing. The genes for full hair coverage are still in our repertoire, this is clear by the multitude of extremely hairy people.
We know from marijuana breeding, that a phenotype may only present itself once in thousands of seeds...even though every seed contains genetic code to "be the fastest growing plant" only that one plant ACTIVATED that sequence, the rest are using different instructions (phenotypes). (Hell you have a degree that means you could probably tell ME the chemical interactions CAUSED by the different sequences, and WHY that makes them grow faster. (ie, compound a metabolizes compound b, triggering production of such and such which accelerates the metabolism.)
So we have created a stable human strain, that displays the "bald body" phenotype...Even still - some people are born with the older, hairy phenotype.
Heres one possible theory about facial change:
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news/did_mens_faces_evolve_to_be_more_attractive_to_women
Now I know you are saying you believe in evolution and that's fine, I'm just answering your question.
Its just funny...we have a board here where people regularly EVOLVE plants. (Its not natural selection when the breeder cuts down the plants he doesnt want, its UNnatural selection.) He is picking traits to breed in rather than allowing the best survivors to live, the best produces of what we want live (THC etc). This is "genetic manipulation" Just indirectly. (we arent changing genes one by one, but we are "predisposing" the offspring to favor the genes we want, then "breed it in" to stablilize the active genes so we will see the majority of offspring show the phenos we want.
You can see this works..its obvious...take a male sativa with blue pheno active, and a female indica with normal colors...breed them, grow out babies...keep the best female and best male INDICA with BLUE, and you just created a new strain. (EXAMPLE ONLY). Stabilize the strain and you basically just made a new species...Theres still blue sativas..and without a clear breadcrumb trail we suddenly have a plant that looks different, grows different, tastes smells and has different effects. But its ancestors are still there...
Just like we have chimps, and we have humans...at some point we bred in and stabilized the ability to communicate in a more complex way...this the allowed us to collaborate and build heavier and more complex things...leading us to where we are now.
These are my beliefs. If a "God" helped us evolve, then we are also Gods, helping marijuana evolve...not to mention our pollution is messing with species natural selection, so that makes us satan too i suppose.
Now, I am thinking back to when i said "you wont listen to each other, so you will never end this..."...Im not going to let you reply and tell me how im wrong...this time I am willing to be wrong...but please, dont just say "your post was crap, i know we evolved, a divine being helps the evolution etc"
Instead try it like this:
prot, you say we lost our fur this way, you are wrong because: <answer here>
This way people can SEE that you have a valid point, because all your posts seem to be quick talking to try to trick people into assuming you are correct...
Take this for example:
The point I'm making is that it doesn't matter. There is nothing that suggests that there isn't a creator that created through evolution. I acknowledge that there is no proof of this either - that is the nature of faith.
I personally am comfortable admitting that I have no idea if there is a creator or not. I believe the bible is a philosophical work and the concept of "creation" was never intended to be taken literally. I also believe that while evolution clearly occurs, there are still many unanswered questions when it comes to humans.
Ive attempted to show you that they have been answered...if you think there are more questions to be answered, please ask and i will do my best to help you find the answer.
But, contrary to popular belief, there isn't very strong evidence as to how humans came to exist. There is just such a monumental chasm between humans and our closest relatives in terms of what we are that there is currently no hard science demonstrating that evolution is the only logical cause.
This, begs the question of why God couldn't have created evolution or be guiding it along with regard to humans. Really, the more you study biology and genetics, the more difficult it becomes to believe that such amazing complex systems came to be solely by chance and not by way of some divine guidance.
Well, theres not blueprints showing progression per se...but there ARE theories that make a hell of a lot of sense, with reproducible evidence to support the theories...There is no such evidence for any divine beings..."The Bible" or "The book of books" was written by man..supposedly many men...these instructions from god, or guidelines to help teach us how to behave...if he was so mighty and he controls our evolution, why not just breed out anger, hate and aggression...
Look around at what we have done and what we are capable of. We are capable of such amazing things, how can one not see that by our very existence, divinity exists?
But of course many people are just not philosophically inclined and would argue that we are just really smart apes and nothing spacial. in the end, I don't know if there is a creator or not. But what I do know is that if there is a creator he can create any way he choses and if he chose to create through a system of evolution, that is a perfectly acceptable possibility.
Apes make and use tools already, they dont lack the ability to invent..what they lack is the ability to communicate their advances...Humans will work on a problem till we solve it, documenting the whole time..this human can then pass away, and another can take in all the previous human learned, and then add his own knowledge, building on until we get to where we are now...apes are born with instincts and a brain capable of thinking and inventing..bu when they have a child they cant teach the child what they learned...
Heres a scenario for you:
An ape and a human are sitting in identical camps..they both have everything they need to make fire...they both chip away at sticks with sharp rocks..sometimes flint...the spark from the flint hits the bits of wood shavings and they both have fire. They both understand this fire was caused by the bright spark hitting the wood.
The difference is now clear..the human can draw, grunt and act to show others that the spark touching dry wood can make fire...he draws a cave painting showing this. Other humans come along, and mimic the painting...probably wont get it first shot, but if they see that a rock creates a spark, then they should make the spark land on yellow grass and you can heat your cave...suddenly humans have "captured" fire...we will not forget how...its now documented.
The ape who made fire can make it again...they however cannot pass the knowledge on to any other apes...they cant communicate..the technology of fire dies with this ape.
SUMMARY:
The first link shows humans gave up photographic memory, for speech.
I explain the visual differences...
I try to capture the point that its not far fetched at all that such a change could become permanent with the blue weed pheno example..
A) In what regards? You do know dogs can smell better than humans, birds can see better than humans, monkeys can climb better than humans, humans are just more intelligent than all the other animals. That's our niche. That is what makes our species successful, our intelligence, our brain capacity, thanks to evolution.
I think intelligence is incorrect, apes show use of crude tools to lever objects, and dig and cut etc...this shows intellect..."see stick, think..stick would fit into hole better than finger..." thats a thought. A cat would see the stick and think of a part of a tree thats fallen, and its an obstacle..a monkey sees what the stick may be used for...Id say thats a pretty good baseline for "what is intellect". The ability to see things for more than they currently are...The ability to imagine what they could become.
Its our communication that enables us to thrive...where apes ventured into new territory and were killed by superior hunters and fighters, humans communicated the need to stay away...skulls on sticks, blood painted stones, cave drawings and crude maps...they may not be perfectly worded sentences, but they convey the meaning well enough to keep that group alive...etc
Padawan has provided many links to relevant info on "reproducing the first simple organisms". You say it should be easy..skin is no problem its flat..the hardest thing for scientists to overcome is the fact that cells dont like to grow in a 2d environment. They have grown a functioning liver now, from stem cells..a full liver not just tissues. A functioning organ has been grown from its base ingredients, by human scientists...
If we were just intelligent, one scientist would have figured this out...the fact that literally THOUSANDS of scientists put millions of hours of research in to the one project, and accomplished something like this, is good evidence to support communication as our one main empowerment.
I have to jet..PLEASE give good answers.
...what if i never decide?
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