To PASS, or NOT, or not YET!!!

[ImTheFireMan]

I would rather buy weed from 7-11 and pay tax then support some gun toting gangster who hangs out @ schools selling to kids or who breaks into houses/cars or whatever to support their sorry asses..... Wouldn't you?

Yet an ill-advised statement that ends in FAIL!

not all of us are gun toting gangsters who sell weed to kids and break into places. (this was the only thing i wanted to reply to you, the rest is my personal opinion on the matter at hand.)




i've actually been going to school and graduated and am officially an engineer.
although currently unemployed, being one of these "dealers" payed my rent, paid for my schooling, and even fed me.
and still currently is.
there's a lot of us that choose to live this life, but very few of us are on roll it up.
i help a lot of people. i would say i'm even pretty compassionate.
i front people when they dont have the money, my prices are always reasonable and i always have a good variety.

personally, i think this thing was made for black market because not every mother fucker has the cohones to do it.
now the government is gonna sell you weed?
can you really see a cop putting a 1.2 on the scale and charging you 20 bucks for it?
why not support your local weed man?
this is like the food industry,
you eat this fast food and buy all these meats from places that grow their chickens with hormones and they dont even see daylight!
and move cows with with fork lifts and push pigs with hydraulic presses, and you never even know it.
you dont want to see the weedman come up and have nice things?
well then look away when we're on the same street.
maybe stop smoking weed. that weed man is the only reason you are smokin, or even on roll it up to begin with reading this right now.
you cant be upset because one man is doing better than you in life because he's doing something you chose not to do.




everything you guys are saying is all predictions.
no one will know until it happens what the outcome will be.

i hope that the other guys doing what i'm doing that are in similar positions/situations have been coming up with a game plan.
ive been stackin my chips and gettin my learn on.
i'm prepared for whatever.
i just want november to come so we can see this thing in effect.

 

[Professor Puff.n.Tuff]

Imthefireman,

Thank you for taking to time to explain another perspective, one that should be taken into consideration by the people - voters. We will not call any distribution of your product illegal as you could be offing it to other card holders.

RIU,

After the law is passed - as things are written now - the people, us, will loose all control. We will be back to the days when it was illegal essentially - One big diff would be the decriminalization of it (to an extent) - BUT; people are still going to go to jail, we will have stricter & lower limits, the prices will go up, the quality will go down, who knows what will happen to availability or how to go about purchasing (maybe one location per 120 mile radius, with a line like DMV, maybe not), the consequences of those not abiding would increase in severity - to avoid anyone dipping into the taxes, and the list goes on and on...

We need a little time before CA is ready.

Lets get some more votes - shall we...

 

[V 8 ENGINES]

THANK YOU PROF. PUFF & TUFF spoken like someone who knows which way is up...

I agree, CALIFORNIA IS NOT READY AND THAT IS THE TRUTH.
for those of you who want a MJ "free for all in the usa" just chew on this:

How will you feel if huge corporate and tobacco companies take over the industry COMPLETELY?

If legalization occurs, growing and distributing will be left to those with a "liscence" and will choke out the small community grow ups

What will the 1000s of "mom and pop" growers do in sonoma/mendo/humboldt? the economy in these counties would dry up w/flooded pot economy, decreases price,and legalization

ALSO, cannabis is MEDICINE, so a large percent really dont need access to mj, nor do they want it. Besides i think we can all agree that a freeway full of driving stoners would just suck some times.

SOLUTION for medical states: here is an idea
>Federal law MUST support med. MJ. NO MORE UNCLEAR state laws and "city ordinances". My plant limit is 6, but a cop could still bust me, despite prop 215, lets end that.

>Provide an "independent contractors license" for caregivers, give clear details as to plants per patient, square footage, and grand total weight a caregiver may transport and have. Contractors may pay a state fee and pay higher tax but can do their work with ease and work without looming fear of possible prosecution.

>shitty, and wrongly labeled weed is common in collectives. There are devices that take a sample from each plant and calculate thc, cannabinoids, MOLD, powder mildue, etc.
LETS SUPPORT GOOD MEDICINE so you know what you get is clean/mold free and or if it is indica/sativa/mutt, thc count, etc.

 

[Professor Puff.n.Tuff]

You have some good points also.

I like your suggestions for solutions too.

THANK YOU PROF. PUFF & TUFF spoken like someone who knows which way is up...

I agree, CALIFORNIA IS NOT READY AND THAT IS THE TRUTH.
for those of you who want a MJ "free for all in the usa" just chew on this:

How will you feel if huge corporate and tobacco companies take over the industry COMPLETELY?

If legalization occurs, growing and distributing will be left to those with a "liscence" and will choke out the small community grow ups

What will the 1000s of "mom and pop" growers do in sonoma/mendo/humboldt? the economy in these counties would dry up w/flooded pot economy, decreases price,and legalization

ALSO, cannabis is MEDICINE, so a large percent really dont need access to mj, nor do they want it. Besides i think we can all agree that a freeway full of driving stoners would just suck some times.

SOLUTION for medical states: here is an idea
>Federal law MUST support med. MJ. NO MORE UNCLEAR state laws and "city ordinances". My plant limit is 6, but a cop could still bust me, despite prop 215, lets end that.

>Provide an "independent contractors license" for caregivers, give clear details as to plants per patient, square footage, and grand total weight a caregiver may transport and have. Contractors may pay a state fee and pay higher tax but can do their work with ease and work without looming fear of possible prosecution.

>shitty, and wrongly labeled weed is common in collectives. There are devices that take a sample from each plant and calculate thc, cannabinoids, MOLD, powder mildue, etc.
LETS SUPPORT GOOD MEDICINE so you know what you get is clean/mold free and or if it is indica/sativa/mutt, thc count, etc.

 

[Professor Puff.n.Tuff]

58 votes peeps.

44 Say pass NOW

5 Say pass NEVER

9 Say pass LATER

75% want to pass the law...

 

[Sustainable420]

There's an entire counterculture based on community supported agriculture that was meant to protest GMOs, food miles, pesticides, etc. These are seen all over California in the form of farmers markets. The truth is that, yeah, there will be commerical grow ops putting out some serious weight that will be sold at convient stores, but there will also be these farmers market style get togethers based on the communities. It's the people's decision to choose which product they want. To each their own. It's not like commerical stuff will have a complete monopoly, people just need to change their mindset to not going to the closest 7-11 to get what they need. There's no doubt in my mind that the local guy can't muster up a sale licence for his booth at the farmers market.

Also, the bill said that the DUI impairment guidelines are the same for weed. You can't drive and smoke, be near schools, expose minors to second-hand smoke, etc.

 

[Professor Puff.n.Tuff]

Good points...

Personally, I dont think that "the people" will be able to grow and/or sell in any quantities in any location.

Does the bill state different?

 

[cannapharm]

HOW CAN WE TALK ABOUT CA BEING READY WHEN (COLLEGE STUDENTS) CAN NOT GET INTO A FOUR YEAR SCHOOL DUE TO BUDGET CUTS, OR HOW ABOUT THAT UNEMPLOYMENT RATE BUDDY???

LEGALIZE NOW!!! and if CA is "not ready," the law can always be reversed!

60k-100k jobs created and only about 1.4 bill in tax revenue, im sorry, but are u a complete retard?

 

[cannapharm]

Oh and I'm glad your own poll proved you otherwise!

I love this site because people have "hope" and seems like you hope for the worst.

 

[Professor Puff.n.Tuff]

I am not too concerned about the deficit, in fact I flat out stated in a previous post that I dont mind helping out with it a little bit BUT, I do not want to pay the hole way out of it. It is not my bad the economy and banks got greedy and caused a "repression". I am also one of the unemployed due to this unfortunate economy. I still provide for myself...

These are personal opinions that make up this poll - I knew what the results were going to be you jack ass.

If you would like to have a discussion let me know and I will take the time (since you did not) to gather the questions I have asked numerous times on this thread and not gotten an answer for. just let me know...

 

[cannapharm]

I would love to have a discussion about this with you Prof. I just don't see how CA can lose control over cannabis IF Regulate Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010 goes into effect. The name on the ballot is pretty self-explanatory to me...

 

[Professor Puff.n.Tuff]

The part about regulate and control...

I will take some time and bring up some of the questions I posed in this thread, Expect them later today or first this in the morning, kind of preoccupied right now. I look forward to talking with you...

 

[ImTheFireMan]

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_(2010)


this link had some good info

 

[Tagh]

Yup the only reason I wouldn't want to see Marijuana legalized is because big business taking it over.
Look at alcohol, tobacco and even gambling.
As it stands now I can buy good dope cheaper than the damn dispensaries.
Also if you ever seen a bust the value they put on the plants is retarded,
For example a couple months ago (March i believe) I was reading the newspaper a couple 51 and 44 years of age got busted with 20 plants valued at $20,000
Now in order to pull this off they'd have to pull like 30 pounds of weed off those 20 plants.
Round here its like 2200 a pino during dry season max

 

[ImTheFireMan]

...20 plants valued at $20,000
Now in order to pull this off they'd have to pull like 30 pounds of weed off those 20 plants.
Round here its like 2200 a pino during dry season max

or 10 pounds, and sell them 2 each. thats 20Gs.
half pound per is still a lot tho.

but i'm with you on your speculations

 

[ImTheFireMan]

i think no matter what tho people will still buy from their guy they are most comfortable with if its not a dispensary.

 

[Tagh]

Ya 10 pounds would make ya 20g but dry, I meant 30 pounds wet if it dries out 1/3 weight.
In the end the government will do whatever they want by this i mean whatever big business wants.

 

[cannapharm]

The part about regulate and control...

I will take some time and bring up some of the questions I posed in this thread, Expect them later today or first this in the morning, kind of preoccupied right now. I look forward to talking with you...

Sounds good sirr. You will most likely receive a response in the AM lol but i truly cant wait to hear your perspective on the issue....

 

[cannapharm]

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_(2010)


this link had some good info

Awesome site bro, thanks!

 

[cannapharm]

Yup the only reason I wouldn't want to see Marijuana legalized is because big business taking it over.
Look at alcohol, tobacco and even gambling.
As it stands now I can buy good dope cheaper than the damn dispensaries.
Also if you ever seen a bust the value they put on the plants is retarded,
For example a couple months ago (March i believe) I was reading the newspaper a couple 51 and 44 years of age got busted with 20 plants valued at $20,000
Now in order to pull this off they'd have to pull like 30 pounds of weed off those 20 plants.
Round here its like 2200 a pino during dry season max

I clearly see your concern with "big boys" taking over, which is likely to happen (and we really have no control over that). But all I personally care about is being able to grow a plant or two for personal consumption, without the alphabet boys knocking on my door. Without any legal concerns for that matter. Let the states get the tax revenue, as long as everyone is happy imo