iboga/ibogaine
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ndangerspecimen101
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I sense this bitter hostility with just a gist of sarcasm that will melt over like sweet molasses
ANC
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No, its realy dangerous in terms of the sudden death thing. Its not high dose dependant and has happened to many people who had the treatment under full medical supervision even, some even went home feeling fine and then just died like 4 days later. It is a risk, although the HCl form is probably less risky than the bark itself. It is a medicine and I think its best used by those whose lives are lost cases anyway, if they don't do it....
KaleoXxX
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so could i.... *slash*
id like to see some sources, unless its well hiden, or the person who died from it never got to explain something, i could understand never hearing about this.
i argue the part abult the HCL being less risky than the ROOT (not bark, maybe the people who ate the bark died...) because as a coming of age ritual men are given a dose between 200-2200 mg. they may die, because tribal africans dont write scientific accounts of these things happening, but would they give a drug to their new men that they know from expereince will kill people
ANC
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I have seen the preperation of root bark by indigenous bwiti. There is in fact a layer of outer bark that needs to be removed, Many places sell the bark, but I have never seen the warning for people to remove this layer....
"These fatalities occurred in most cases several days after ingestion or following the intake of very small doses. There is no conclusive explanation at the present time for these deaths.
We hypothesize, that these deaths may be a result of cardiac arrhythmias, caused by a dysregulation of the autonomic nervous system.
Ibogaine affects the autonomic nervous system by influencing several neurotransmitter-systems and the fastigial nucleus. The cerebellar nucleus responds to small doses with a stimulation of the sympathetic system, leading to a fight or flight reaction. High doses, however, lead to a vagal dominance: a “feigned death”.
The risk of cardiac arrhythmias is increased in situations of sympathetic stimulation or coincidence of a high parasympathetic tonus and a left-sided sympathetic stimulation. This could occur under influence of small doses of ibogaine and also at times of exhaustion with a high vagal tonus, when sudden fear reactions could cause a critical left-sided sympathetic stimulation. Gabonian healers prevent these risks by isolating their patients from normal life and by inducing a trance-state with right-hemispheric and vagal dominance for several days."
"These fatalities occurred in most cases several days after ingestion or following the intake of very small doses. There is no conclusive explanation at the present time for these deaths.
We hypothesize, that these deaths may be a result of cardiac arrhythmias, caused by a dysregulation of the autonomic nervous system.
Ibogaine affects the autonomic nervous system by influencing several neurotransmitter-systems and the fastigial nucleus. The cerebellar nucleus responds to small doses with a stimulation of the sympathetic system, leading to a fight or flight reaction. High doses, however, lead to a vagal dominance: a “feigned death”.
The risk of cardiac arrhythmias is increased in situations of sympathetic stimulation or coincidence of a high parasympathetic tonus and a left-sided sympathetic stimulation. This could occur under influence of small doses of ibogaine and also at times of exhaustion with a high vagal tonus, when sudden fear reactions could cause a critical left-sided sympathetic stimulation. Gabonian healers prevent these risks by isolating their patients from normal life and by inducing a trance-state with right-hemispheric and vagal dominance for several days."
ndangerspecimen101
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What really alarms me is the whole fine part and 4 days later dying...
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
Nope, I was being serious. I googled Ibogaine pihkal.. zero results.. I was like wtf? Then I wiki'd it and saw it was in tihkal!I sense this bitter hostility with just a gist of sarcasm that will melt over like sweet molasses
I would figure that the deaths were attributed to a reaction from something in the bark.. but I really haven't studied ibogaine that much. I would just use the HCl form (hopefully isolating Ibogaine would reduce the risk).
repvip
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Well,,
I've found 2 sources for Ibogaine and yes, I'm in the US. If anyone else has bought ibogaine from overseas I wouldn't mind a PM to compare sources. I am a little hesitant to complete the transaction for one. The other has been a good experience so far.
Am thinking of doing a dose at 15mg/kg. Got both ibogaine HCl and iboga TA (total alkaloids extract) 1g of HCl, 2g TA,, so hoping at least one will make it through shipment!
I've found 2 sources for Ibogaine and yes, I'm in the US. If anyone else has bought ibogaine from overseas I wouldn't mind a PM to compare sources. I am a little hesitant to complete the transaction for one. The other has been a good experience so far.
Am thinking of doing a dose at 15mg/kg. Got both ibogaine HCl and iboga TA (total alkaloids extract) 1g of HCl, 2g TA,, so hoping at least one will make it through shipment!
repvip
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Also,,
Extraction Guide:
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/IbogaineExtractionManual.pdf
Nothing hard about that.
Anyway, seriously wondering if anyone on here has done ibogaine? Hard to believe I will be the first
Extraction Guide:
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/IbogaineExtractionManual.pdf
Nothing hard about that.
Anyway, seriously wondering if anyone on here has done ibogaine? Hard to believe I will be the first
You lucky bastard. It seems you put much effort into this feat. And I consider when this happens it will be a feat. It will definitely be worth it, I know that.
This is the one erowid experience I read about it. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=38833 I have never read anything that insane in my life.. I didn't even know much about Ibogaine until this thread.. My mind just imploded.
EDIT: I actually read the rest of the report, holy shit.. The beginning is nothing compared to the rest of it! HOLY SHIT I'll post a small quote from the report, "Is Ibogaine an addiction breaking drug? I think a better discription of Ibogaine is a habit breaking drug. I was not a heroin addict. But I was an extremely habitual person, and had a highly addictive personality. My life before Ibogaine was in shambles. I smoked 2 packs of cigarettes per day, drank beer every day, and hadn't exercised in years, always had to have some kind of high, ecstasy, valium, or grass...and I was ALWAYS broke. I was extremely neurotic, as I had an extremely abusive childhood." That quote is from the first experience. This report is actually two experiences, of two friends, who just happened by chance to meet up with an interest in spiritual growth. The last paragraph is my favorite. All that stuff about the writing muse made me absolutely speechless. I've never read anything so beautiful, or been so dumbfounded by a drug I just found out about..
This is the one erowid experience I read about it. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=38833 I have never read anything that insane in my life.. I didn't even know much about Ibogaine until this thread.. My mind just imploded.
EDIT: I actually read the rest of the report, holy shit.. The beginning is nothing compared to the rest of it! HOLY SHIT I'll post a small quote from the report, "Is Ibogaine an addiction breaking drug? I think a better discription of Ibogaine is a habit breaking drug. I was not a heroin addict. But I was an extremely habitual person, and had a highly addictive personality. My life before Ibogaine was in shambles. I smoked 2 packs of cigarettes per day, drank beer every day, and hadn't exercised in years, always had to have some kind of high, ecstasy, valium, or grass...and I was ALWAYS broke. I was extremely neurotic, as I had an extremely abusive childhood." That quote is from the first experience. This report is actually two experiences, of two friends, who just happened by chance to meet up with an interest in spiritual growth. The last paragraph is my favorite. All that stuff about the writing muse made me absolutely speechless. I've never read anything so beautiful, or been so dumbfounded by a drug I just found out about..
repvip
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It better be a feat!
I had typed a response but somehow it didn't post, and I'm not going to do it all over again. There are a lot of reports online, many of which follow a two-part theme.. Intense visuals followed by even more intense, clear, honest introspection and personal reflection. It will change you. Basically I am doing this for personal growth, most of which is very personal
Hopefully my product makes it safe and sound. If not, I might need to become good friends with somebody from Canada, wink wink!!
I had typed a response but somehow it didn't post, and I'm not going to do it all over again. There are a lot of reports online, many of which follow a two-part theme.. Intense visuals followed by even more intense, clear, honest introspection and personal reflection. It will change you. Basically I am doing this for personal growth, most of which is very personal
Hopefully my product makes it safe and sound. If not, I might need to become good friends with somebody from Canada, wink wink!!
Growop101
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Some shamans while inducing the Ibogaine tenace state ritual would actually smack you on the head with a hammer once Iboga started kicking in. They did this to "open the head/mind" Has any one ever read the book Breaking open the head? by david Pinchbeck?? great book about contemptorary shamanism, and Repvip im from canada 
gogrow
confused
I WAS interested in this plant years ago, but the more I looked into it, the more menacing it sounded. There are a few sources for it that I know of online, but as of the last time I checked, they were all (only about 3) "out of stock"..... If I DO happen to see anything in stock, that ships to the states, I'll shoot you a pm about it.....
I dont want to be the guinea pig, but would love to hear your experience if you're hell bent on it
I dont want to be the guinea pig, but would love to hear your experience if you're hell bent on it
gogrow
confused
Really, it just seems a bit too extreme for a recreational purpose.... On the other hand, if something in my life got to the point where I felt that a trip like that would help, I would be alot more receptive to the idea..... but for now, I have no use for this substance....
ANC
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Oh yeah be prepared for a shifting of cranial plates....
One of my personal group had this to say:
Iboga is a Teacher like no other. If you're keen to ceremony, do as much research as possible before. Have a sitter close by. If you have any health issues - weak heart etc, abstain. Keep your head still during the entirety of the experience: for +- 10 hours with a breakthrough dose. Don't walk around. Take a month off from the world. This is serious stuff. Remember to fast. Ceremony correctly & you may be in for a truly life-changing, insighful experience beyond anything you might have experienced before. Iboga is said to clear a life's worth of negative cellular-memories stored in the body ( be prepared to purge real good ). Low doses are used a stimulant apparently. I ate 40 capsulated root bark to break through. A friend ate 20 & didn't breakthrough, so that's a rough dose measure ( of course, apart from strength of alkaloid due to growth factors of the plant, etc ). I went through literally weeks of side-effects, so ( as a warning ) be sensible & careful with this plant ( IOW, respect it ! ) - my ' side-effects ' were major problems with equilibrium , intense migraine, physical shifting of the skull's bones..
One of my personal group had this to say:
Iboga is a Teacher like no other. If you're keen to ceremony, do as much research as possible before. Have a sitter close by. If you have any health issues - weak heart etc, abstain. Keep your head still during the entirety of the experience: for +- 10 hours with a breakthrough dose. Don't walk around. Take a month off from the world. This is serious stuff. Remember to fast. Ceremony correctly & you may be in for a truly life-changing, insighful experience beyond anything you might have experienced before. Iboga is said to clear a life's worth of negative cellular-memories stored in the body ( be prepared to purge real good ). Low doses are used a stimulant apparently. I ate 40 capsulated root bark to break through. A friend ate 20 & didn't breakthrough, so that's a rough dose measure ( of course, apart from strength of alkaloid due to growth factors of the plant, etc ). I went through literally weeks of side-effects, so ( as a warning ) be sensible & careful with this plant ( IOW, respect it ! ) - my ' side-effects ' were major problems with equilibrium , intense migraine, physical shifting of the skull's bones..