Essex's - home brewed, Wilkinsons 100% organic flower nute mix.

[Essex]

MK II, lol

Essex's - wilkinsons £20 organic flower tea,

any major garden center will have all this for £20, just use a spoon to make. (If making loads use scales)

Ammount of spoons/ stuff
2.5 - Chicken poo
2 - fish,blood & bone
4 - bonemeal
2.5 - epsom salts
1.5 - Sulphate of potash
1 - black treacle
1 - Seaweed plant food

Just leave out some if they only 1 or 2 spoons, still b good. I add 1 spoon garden lime for soil.

Stick all but chicken poo in an old saucepan with half contaner of water, cook on low heat for bit.
pour into container, add chicken poo and shake.

mix with water and feed ya babys.



But Essex why should I trust YOU? DONT! here is the borrin bit, (good job I love my plants, lol)

(This is the bit I dont like yet because I have to rely on 2 books, Insider's Guide & MJ Growers Handbook
and im AM going to have to get a very expensive nutrent analiser to verify! )

For Flowering,

Mel Frank (strong light)/pH Imbalance
Nitrogen (N) 40-100 0-50
Phosphorus (P) 70-100 100-150
Potassium (K) 100-200 50-75
Magnesium (Mg) 30-60 -

ppm N-P-K-Mg 99-103-209-73 49-146-230-100

these are the ELEMENTAL PPM N-P-K-MG not normal packet molicule N-P-K ratio's so WILL LOOK WRONG!

Mel Frank 1.4-0.7-2.8-1
pH Imbalance 0.49-1.5-2.3-1

worked em to an average. (although Essex still aint happy till he uses his own findings here, lol)

SO OUR TARGET.....
0.95-1.1-2.55-1


OUR INGREDEANTS...... (ya seen em b4 if ya read Veg)

VitalEarth's - Chicken poo,
Sourced from happy hens! (lets hope that helps, lol)
4-3-2 (+trace elements and humus)
Total Nitrogen (N) 4.0%
Total Phosphorus Pentoxide (P2O5) 3.0% (1.3% P)
Total Potassium Oxide (K20) 2.0% (1.6% K)
Total Calcium 5.83 %
Total Magnesium 0.60 %
Micronutrients:
Fe 0.121
Mn 574 ppm
Cu 82 ppm
Zn 671 ppm
Co 2 ppm
Bo 26 ppm
Mo 10 ppm


Wilko's - fish,blood & bone,
5-5-6.5
Total Nitrogen (N) 5.0%
Total Phosphorus Pentoxide (P2O5) 5.0% (2.1% P)
soluble in water 0.44% (0.19% p)
Total Potassium Oxide (K20) 6.5% (5.39% K)
Sulphur 2%,
Calcium 0.9%,
Magnesium 0.16%,
Copper 100ppm,
Cobalt 18ppm,
Zinc 126ppm,
Selenium >.04ppm,
Iron 610ppm,
Molybdenum 128ppm,
Boron 210ppm,
Manganese 70ppm,
Iodine .14ppm.

Wilko's - bonemeal,
3.5-17-0
Total Nitrogen (N) 3.5%
Total Phosphorus Pentoxide (P2O5) 17% (7.4% P)
Total Potassium Oxide (K20) 0.2% (0.1% K)
Ca 23%
Mg 0.3%
S 0.1

Power Health's - epsom salts, (not organic but taken from a spring in Epsom Surrey UK)
0-0-0-99
Total Magnesium Sulphate heptahydrate (MgSO4·7H2O) 99.9% (9.8% Mg)
Sulfur. 12.9%

J. Arthur Bower's - Sulphate of amonia,
Total Ammoniacal Nitrogen (N) 21.0%
Sulfur 24%

J. Arthur Bower's - Sulphate of potash,
0-0-48
Total Potassium Oxide (K20) 48% (39.9% k)
Sulphur 18%

Lyle's - black treacle,
0-0-0 (+trace & carbs)
Carbs(sugars) 64%
sodium 0.1%
calcium 0.5%
iron 0.014%
magnesium 0.13%
iodine 0.1%

Wilko's - Seaweed plant food,
0-0-1 (60 trace elements, growth hormones and disease control properties)
Total Potassium Oxide (K20) 1% (0.8% P)
unknown quantities of so many trace elements and unknown bio-stimulants its just a "magic ingredient"
and I wont go into it, lol


Bit of a tweek to my excel sheet for flower,

Parts ingredants N P K Mg total N total P total K total Mg
2.5 Chicken poo 4 1.3 1.6 0.6 10 3.25 4 1.5
2 fish,blood & bone 5 2.1 5.3 0.16 10 4.2 10.6 0.32
4 bonemeal, 3.5 7.4 0.1 0.3 14 29.6 0.4 1.2
2.5 epsom salts 0 0 0 9.8 0 0 0 24.5
0 Sulphate of amonia 21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1.5 Sulphate of potash 0 0 39.9 0.6 0 0 59.85 0.9
1 black treacle 0 0 0 0.13 0 0 0 0.13
1 Seaweed plant food 0 0 0.8 0 0 0 0.8 0
total 34 37.05 75.65 28.55


ratio N-P-K-Mg 1.19089317 1.297723292 2.649737303 1

And we get a 1.2-1.3-2.6-1 Bit higher in nitrogen than target but I profer this idea till I can do my own nute need's tests.

So Lets look into the mix. this is the elemental particals by weight,

Essex's veg tea,

MAJOR ELEMENTS,

Total Nitrogen (N) 1.2%
Total Phosphorus (P) 1.3%
Total Potassium (k) 2.6%


SECONDARY ELEMENTS,
Total Magnesium (Mg) 1%
Total Calcium (Ca) 3.8%
Total Sulphur (S) 3.2%

MINOR AND TRACE ELEMENTS,

Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)
Copper (Cu)
Zinc (Zn)
Boron (B)
Molybdenum (Mo)
Chlorine (Cl)
Cobolt (Co)
Sodium (Na)
Selenium (Se)

+ the seaweed that has 48 more elements, we only know of 118 elements!

This should work for both hydro and soil - PH to suitable for the medium.

Hope ya liked my findings on makin my own nutes, my babys get fed this and ya can check it out in my current grow in my signature.

Thanks for teachin me stuff, RUI/Internet! lol

 

[chainseeker]

Cool I'll give u a couple weeks to tweak it around a lil and see how it does 4 ya. I been thinking about making my own gruesome mix of poo's and blood and other good things. Thanks essex I am now inspired to do so. Also ur name reminds me of installing windshields in cars. Essex is the brand of urethane i used all the time. Anyway good luck and let me know how the girls like the new mix.

 

[Essex]

Ta man, thanks for lookin. It is a bit gruesome, smells REALLY bad, but dont smell to strong when watered to the baby's.

lol, let me be the test dummy!

 

[SensiStan]

hey essex, ORGANIC ALL THE WAY i think you've already stopped by my organic grow, i spend lots of money on special BIOCANNA organic nutes but it would be cool if i could find my own recipie Subscribed, and + rep for a really good looking recipie.

 

[Essex]

Thanks man, I need a pro to tell me if its ok but hell im using it till one gets here! lol

I know about nute costs, they just keep wanting more. This £20's worth of stuff will make I guess 200L of tea at about 100:1 concentration.

should be enough to last a while, lol

 

[SensiStan]

haha with a ratio like that you could sell me some im defo in your postcode 1 litre of bio vega with P&P is about £20 lol

 

[Essex]

owch, dont like that price! just brew ya own, at 10p a liter! all the ingredients are from wilkinsons for £20.

We can see how it works on my babys, and if any pro's can improve on the mix it should work well.

I want to try it in a DWC setup I am setting up soon,

 

[Jester88]

youll be right bro....

youll realise unless going for ultimate reults that the best way to d this is just get a good feel for the plants. the plan seems fairly sound but again are you sure thats all your getting,

this isnt realy making your ferts frm scratch so very viable but what you havent considered is how some things are going to react... this is why some high priced fertilizers come in two or three part sets.

i dont really agree with the use of molasses and products of the like but the theory is there. you should be able to achieve the same results anyway. just a healthier way of sugar watering your buds imho.

umm as for the lime there may be some other elements in it but my guess is its just a calcium to bring down the ph.

ive also noticed that not much you have ther could contain magnesium, this is somewhat of a secondary nutrient, that is its fairly important for the plants to grow second to n.p.k

the ideas good throw it together and see how it goes.... btw id possibly get some worm piss for the urea if ya want to be all natural (something high in nitrogen, though it dont seem your going fully organic) add that in for veg to boost the nitrogen percentage, then modift the mix at the end to have less nitrogen and more p and k.

slightly more k than p i like the values 123 for flower. and as long as theres a decent amount of nitrogen in flower i really dont care for the ratios though ideally id go for 3.2.1 or 3.2.2 something like that.... just make sure ya cover all the plants needs and you will be fine. the lime will keep the ph down...

oh check the growguide in the sig may help a little and if ya do a search on ma missua she has a thread on nutrients that would really benefit you. thats jesters missus. just look through the threads shes started bro

hehe good to see others playing with there own mix, its a hard thing to describe, ill be mentioning it in my book morethan likely but its much easier to explain if i have my own starting point..

the one thing thats got me fucked is how people can make there own phosphorous to put in there ferts as powder... phosphorous is a fairly hard ingredient to get especially red phosphorous (unfortunately this is the only one i know how to get atm).. this isnt very good because the phosphorous isnt in a readilly available/uptakable form for the plant. i, looking into a few others. that being said its used in lots of agricultural grade ferts amongst others

i have to talk to a mate as i think i know of one way to make it and another way of possibly reducing phosphoric acid down to a basic solution , salt or even a mixed fertilizer, but this will require some talks and that....

my friend owns a hydro shop and makes his own fertilizers so im going to get him to fill me in on his techniques sometime too.. though he can easily acess all the chemicals he needs in a pharmaceutical grade if need be lol.

but yeah your fertilizer as is should be fairly uptalable by the plants but like i said do some research intoo chelation and get the idea behind that and youl realisethe importance of making your ferts as clean as possible and what to make them with if you get serious about it..

again that bveing said. i bet i could grow some medicine that would shit on a lot of the plants you see on the net with nothing but miracle grow and some eppies, oh and fis ferts (cheap stuff). but the extra coin can give you that tiny bit better result when ya get down to the nitty gritty.

 

[Essex]

youll be right bro....

youll realise unless going for ultimate reults that the best way to d this is just get a good feel for the plants. the plan seems fairly sound but again are you sure thats all your getting,

I am a noob grower wiv ambition, lol. This is just a informed guess at making organic nutes.

this isnt realy making your ferts frm scratch so very viable but what you havent considered is how some things are going to react... this is why some high priced fertilizers come in two or three part sets.

I understand that the chemical reaction takes place over time to lock out the chemicals that cant be put together, im making this fresh and it bubbles away in the container so I know some microbes are doing something?

i dont really agree with the use of molasses and products of the like but the theory is there. you should be able to achieve the same results anyway. just a healthier way of sugar watering your buds imho.

The molasses is for some trace nutes and as a "carboload" copy, 100g contains, 500mg calcium, 14mg iron, 130mg magnesium, 100mg iodine n some potasium. just tryin to cram some more macronutes in cheap

umm as for the lime there may be some other elements in it but my guess is its just a calcium to bring down the ph.

it states its just lime, I just thought it would work as a buffer same as when ya use in soil? It also containes magnesium.

ive also noticed that not much you have ther could contain magnesium, this is somewhat of a secondary nutrient, that is its fairly important for the plants to grow second to n.p.k

I think chicken poo, molasses, lime, seaweed, fish blood n bone all have magnesium in, I tryed to get a load of mag + macro/minor nutes but they are a lot harder to calculate and arnt given in spec's

the ideas good throw it together and see how it goes.... btw id possibly get some worm piss for the urea if ya want to be all natural (something high in nitrogen, though it dont seem your going fully organic) add that in for veg to boost the nitrogen percentage, then modift the mix at the end to have less nitrogen and more p and k.

It is all organic I think? or near as? I dont think its organic molasses but it is no artifical colour's etc.

slightly more k than p i like the values 123 for flower. and as long as theres a decent amount of nitrogen in flower i really dont care for the ratios though ideally id go for 3.2.1 or 3.2.2 something like that.... just make sure ya cover all the plants needs and you will be fine. the lime will keep the ph down...

I'm hopin I got it ok? the PH keeps at 6.9 when its mixed with water.


oh check the growguide in the sig may help a little and if ya do a search on ma missua she has a thread on nutrients that would really benefit you. thats jesters missus. just look through the threads shes started bro

Cool I love to learn, on my way! lol

hehe good to see others playing with there own mix, its a hard thing to describe, ill be mentioning it in my book morethan likely but its much easier to explain if i have my own starting point..

As long as ya cant see any bad stuff in my mix im happy

the one thing thats got me fucked is how people can make there own phosphorous to put in there ferts as powder... phosphorous is a fairly hard ingredient to get especially red phosphorous (unfortunately this is the only one i know how to get atm).. this isnt very good because the phosphorous isnt in a readilly available/uptakable form for the plant. i, looking into a few others. that being said its used in lots of agricultural grade ferts amongst others

Red phosphorous is used in making drugs so they tend to control it? Im using bonemeal it's 17% Phosphorus Pentoxide (P2O5)

i have to talk to a mate as i think i know of one way to make it and another way of possibly reducing phosphoric acid down to a basic salt or even a mixed fertilizer, but this will require some talks and that....

ya can get phosphorus from brewing urine, smelly fun! lol

my friend owns a hydro shop and makes his own fertilizers so im going to get him to fill me in on his techniques sometime too.. though he can easily acess all the chemicals he needs in a pharmaceutical grade if need be lol.

lucky git, I just use my local shops. lol

but yeah your fertilizer as is should be fairly uptalable by the plants but like i said do some research intoo chelation and get the idea behind that and youl realisethe importance of making your ferts as clean as possible and what to make them with if you get serious about it..

Im hoping this will work ok? I aint going to store it for longer than a few days as it bubbles and I know something is changing, lol

again that bveing said. i bet i could grow some medicine that would shit on a lot of the plants you see on the net with nothing but miracle grow and some eppies, oh and fis ferts (cheap stuff). but the extra coin can give you that tiny bit better result when ya get down to the nitty gritty.

I just want to try organic and aint payin silly prices for a bunch of poo, lol

Thanks 4 ya help m8!

 

[Jester88]

hehe i believe you and me gots mixed up a bit lol.

i was saying i every now and then throw some slow release organic ferts into my soil mix sometimes,

yes i know that red phosis used in theprocessof drug manufacture but it isstill really easily available, just take it offthe striker pads of matchbooks lol. or lie i saiduse anothersubstitute such as shrooms etc .... anyways you cna only get in trouble if you have a certain number of items in your posession and if they can prove that it was with the intent to start your own lab and do a cook up. technically every house almost has enough ingredients in it to get you in trouble. its what you intend to do with them.

your on the right track and yeah well see how it goes i was more just saying for veg and flower tweak it a little. though you may not have to like i said i just preffer the ratios i have given which your fairly close to anyway.

once you get it down pat youll realise how unessisary the high price is but in all honesty better ferts can give better results when used correctly . like i said they all contain the same shit its justhow readilly available to the plant thenutrientsare..

id bet that putting your own fish to stew would be good too though i just bury them and give them time to degrade and turn the dirt here and there he plants love it. and seasol is rally is good for noobs transplanting.. helps the plants deal with thexhock better though i have my transplanting ethiod pretty down pat now i normally never see any stress. and thats wthout anything to help shock.

but fish and seaweed emulsion is awsome shit really.
hehe
righteo chelation as reffering to fish emulsion.

if you buy seasol its a black smelly mess right.. yes the plants can uptake it well as they can uptake any nutrient they need. its just how readily available and easy it is for the plant to uptake and use.

if you buy an expensive one youll notice its been filtered more (not as dirty) the smell is less and its just an all round cleaner more usable product (especially indoors fish emulsion can stink). what you probably dont know is that because its a cleaner product and the things that go into it are a better grade (thus taking it away from your regular grade fish emulsion to a new level ie: commercial, oharmaceutical) and the plant can use it easier.

chelation explained in my medicated nearly ready for bed language lmfao. hope it helps.
and you seem like a bloke that learns fast i bet your growwing your oown organic medicine from scratch really fast... and theres nothing more rewarding than knowing your reliable for every aspect of the plants growth hehe.

i still often buy my ferts but like i said i like to make my own a fair bit too so its good to see other people giving it a razz even if it is mainly just another compost tea hehe.teas really are a great organic way of feeding your plants bro.

keep up the great work ehy

j88

 

[Essex]

sorry!

It makes me laff there vain attempts to control precursors, just a pain sometimes gettin the junk out! so easyer to get 99% stuff if ya can

I heard that in the USA have even made glassware illegal to own!?

Oh yer for veg I will play around with the mix but aint using veg nutes for few weeks, I'll aim for a 3-2-2 or near enough with same ingredient list?

When I got some mushrooms at hand ill pop em in!

Im just glad to have someone to point out any potential probs before my plants do! I am still a noob and wouldnt like to play with deficiency's this round, lol

 

[madodah]

hehe i believe you and me gots mixed up a bit lol.

i was saying i every now and then throw some slow release organic ferts into my soil mix sometimes,

You do understand most slow release nutrients use salt as a binder, which will dehydrate and kill many of the microbe colonies in the soil you're trying to build by growing organically?

yes i know that red phosis used in theprocessof drug manufacture but it isstill really easily available, just take it offthe striker pads of matchbooks lol. or lie i saiduse anothersubstitute such as shrooms etc .... anyways you cna only get in trouble if you have a certain number of items in your posession and if they can prove that it was with the intent to start your own lab and do a cook up. technically every house almost has enough ingredients in it to get you in trouble. its what you intend to do with them.

your on the right track and yeah well see how it goes i was more just saying for veg and flower tweak it a little. though you may not have to like i said i just preffer the ratios i have given which your fairly close to anyway.

 

[Essex]

jester, Im lovin ya help, its always good to have a clever thinker on board!

I want to make my own chemical based nutes aswell when my 50 micron aero setup is done, I got a home made 98% reflux still to help lol

Thats going to be a right F about though, no £20 one stop shop in wilkinsons for that lot!

 

[chainseeker]

Imma copy that too!!!

 

[madodah]

jester, Im lovin ya help, its always good to have a clever thinker on board!

I want to make my own chemical based nutes aswell when my 50 micron aero setup is done, I got a home made 98% reflux still to help lol

Thats going to be a right F about though, no £20 one stop shop in wilkinsons for that lot!

Any particular reason you're posting about formulating your own chemical based nutrients on an organic forum?

 

[Essex]

Any particular reason you're posting about formulating your own chemical based nutrients on an organic forum?

Who said they wont be organic? I can just as easily fractionally distill from organic matter. It's all carbon based chems baby!

 

[chainseeker]

madodah u havin a bad day or what?

 

[Essex]

Imma copy that too!!!

Wait to see some results first! I do some mad crazy stuff, lol

madodah u havin a bad day or what?

ROFL, aint it rude

 

[Essex]

Ok, after jester told me to read this my nutes calculations were out.
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/169365-what-do-those-numbers-fertilizer.html

Its said that the weight of the element is diffrent from the weight of the molicule on the n-p-k scale, oh dear! lol

so my nutes will be diffrent n-p-k than what is stated as this is the molecule weight not the elemental molecule the plant uses,

To work the individual elemental molecule weight as a percent v's the molecule weight of ingredients hurts my tiny head, lol (but I done it now!)

So this has all been fixed/updated and is good to grow!

 

[ultimate buds]

im glad you can get your head round the science behind the npk as at a quick glance its cabbaged me lol!!!