GODFREY1
Active Member
As for the other issue,I spent most of yesterday argueing in 2 other posts. I'm not going back to either. Tired of argueing. I'm gonna throw out just a couple points on the Bill issue.
I feel McPurp has the closest opinion to me. You will be able to grow some though. And I believe you can still get a card from ages 18 to 20. The rest of the cards won't mean shit. As far as the rest,here I go.
I BELIEVE IN LEGALIZATION. I feel like I need to keep saying this. I just don't think this is TRUE legalization. Our state has figured out a way to make marijuana more criminal than it already is,and hide that fact with one positive to get people to vote yes. I am not trying to start shit,just think people should be totally aware of all that is at stake. The vote in Washington sounds like a better step in the right direction. I'm gonna check that out,thanks for posting that. Think about the Cal Lottery. Cali decided to start it to get more money to the school system. Any Califorians remember that? Everybody thought it was such a good idea. And it is. But you know how much of it goes to the school system? One percent. One fuckin penny out of every dollar. This is sort of the same thing. It's a hustle. And they are not making it truly legal.
You say there is no way to know that the price will go up or down. It HAS to go up. For a few reasons. For one,the Gov. will have there fingers in it. You think the price of weed at the club won't go up with taxes? Also everyone says supply and demand. That is true. But what some of you keep forgetting,or for those that don't live here and don't know. Is that Cali DE CRIMINALIZED marijuana years ago. When I was a kid,you could get up to three months in jail for an ounce of weed. Now you get a fine for $25 to $60 dolars depending on what county your in for having 28 1/2 grams or less. No jail time. This is because it is already DE CRIMINALIZED. After this law goes through there will be a set of conditions that will basically RE CRIMINALIZE marijuana. Not the other way around. No one under 21 can buy it legally. So where they gona get it? You see,if your the type of guy that would normally just hook up your 20 year old buddy,well after this law goes through you could do 3 to 5 years for that. Some people have friends in here that are 20 years old that will probably go to jail when they would not have before this law. Sooooo. Less people are going to want to help out the youngsters as before. Because the risk will be much greater. You see the laws that we have about Mary Jane right now,will all become more brutal after this passes. Some economists have predicted up to $80 a gram on the streets. I think that is a rediculous figure,but it gives you the idea. Why does Cocaine cost so much? Because of the risk. It's scary to get caught with coke. Do you think that Cocaine would cost $50 for a gram if you could carry up to an ounce and only get a fine? Hell no. Well for many it will be just as scary to carry Mary Jane after this law if it passes. The punishment for an 18 year old will be up to three years for smokin a joint.3 YEARS! So your talkin a lot of risk. Not small shit like it is now. Like Purp said they will bump up MJ's drug class. So you think that people are going to risk 5 fuckin years in jail without being compensated? Right now if your young and don't know the right people,or visiting like Purp said. MJ is about $20 a gram on the street. It's not what I pay but I see it. Plenty. So. The same 19 year old that showed up on the steps of the guys house the day before for $20n a gram will pay more. The man will say."Shit,I could do 5 years for this,it's $30 now." So the guy will buy it or not,depending on how many people he knows. But don't be surprised if within 2 weeks he gets the same answer everywhere. The price on drugs has always run with the risk of carrying and distributing them. After this law goes through I guarentee you the price will go up. The street always controls the overall prices on drugs,that will never change.
ECONOMIC
The economics are also not there for this. How is it economically sound? I don't remember who said it,but this is not basic economics. Nor is it good economically.
Soooo. Are these people under 21 gonna stop smoking? No. Most likely not. Just like people like me that smoke cigarettes. Every time they raise the taxes I just keep on smoking. Which also is another side note. They will raise and raise taxes,ESPECIALLY if the Fed ever gets on board. So now you got say around 3 to 6 hundred thousand people in Cali that will have to get real money to buy their weed. And the other half will or won't have the shit growing in or outside their houses. Now you have created the PERFECT environment for crime. Yes I am Hypothenizing. But it's a damn good hypothesis. If it's in your yard,you better have a real good dog or never leave the house. Cause their gonna fuckin take it. You also give these peeps more reasons to start entering more homes. Cause now not only are they lookin for stuff to jack to sell for weed,they'll be cruisin into random homes just to see if they got some growin. This law will create a new crime wave. So they tax this weed. And make it a higher class drug. Where do you think all the money the Gov is going to collect will go? That's right. You will be funding the new war on drugs. That's right,war on drugs,not marijuana,but drugs. Because that is what marijuana will be. You will no longer be able to say you don't do drugs except weed. Because you will be voting to put it in the same class as cocaine. There is the CHANCE. And I mean chance,but not that far fetched,that some or a lot of the money will be used to upgrade juvenile halls AND prisons to hold all the new POT offenders. So all the new tax money that you voted for would go to more task forces against the thing you love. The Gov. loves to hustle. Don't ever forget that. If they can use the money this way they will. It's like the lottery,it's not gonna do shit for this state's economy. Cause they will be spending way more to govern it. Am I for legalization? Hell yeah. But this doesn't sound like real legalization to me. Just a hustle.
I for one will be somewhat more nervous after the law passes to grow. This shit ain't gonna be no joke.
Last point and question. If this is legalization,why does it feel more like re criminalization? And why are there so many new punishments and conditions for the shit? THIS IS NOT LEGALIZATION. It's them allowing us to get away with a little bit so they can get more control and get YOU the tax payer and voter to pay for it.
I feel McPurp has the closest opinion to me. You will be able to grow some though. And I believe you can still get a card from ages 18 to 20. The rest of the cards won't mean shit. As far as the rest,here I go.
I BELIEVE IN LEGALIZATION. I feel like I need to keep saying this. I just don't think this is TRUE legalization. Our state has figured out a way to make marijuana more criminal than it already is,and hide that fact with one positive to get people to vote yes. I am not trying to start shit,just think people should be totally aware of all that is at stake. The vote in Washington sounds like a better step in the right direction. I'm gonna check that out,thanks for posting that. Think about the Cal Lottery. Cali decided to start it to get more money to the school system. Any Califorians remember that? Everybody thought it was such a good idea. And it is. But you know how much of it goes to the school system? One percent. One fuckin penny out of every dollar. This is sort of the same thing. It's a hustle. And they are not making it truly legal.
You say there is no way to know that the price will go up or down. It HAS to go up. For a few reasons. For one,the Gov. will have there fingers in it. You think the price of weed at the club won't go up with taxes? Also everyone says supply and demand. That is true. But what some of you keep forgetting,or for those that don't live here and don't know. Is that Cali DE CRIMINALIZED marijuana years ago. When I was a kid,you could get up to three months in jail for an ounce of weed. Now you get a fine for $25 to $60 dolars depending on what county your in for having 28 1/2 grams or less. No jail time. This is because it is already DE CRIMINALIZED. After this law goes through there will be a set of conditions that will basically RE CRIMINALIZE marijuana. Not the other way around. No one under 21 can buy it legally. So where they gona get it? You see,if your the type of guy that would normally just hook up your 20 year old buddy,well after this law goes through you could do 3 to 5 years for that. Some people have friends in here that are 20 years old that will probably go to jail when they would not have before this law. Sooooo. Less people are going to want to help out the youngsters as before. Because the risk will be much greater. You see the laws that we have about Mary Jane right now,will all become more brutal after this passes. Some economists have predicted up to $80 a gram on the streets. I think that is a rediculous figure,but it gives you the idea. Why does Cocaine cost so much? Because of the risk. It's scary to get caught with coke. Do you think that Cocaine would cost $50 for a gram if you could carry up to an ounce and only get a fine? Hell no. Well for many it will be just as scary to carry Mary Jane after this law if it passes. The punishment for an 18 year old will be up to three years for smokin a joint.3 YEARS! So your talkin a lot of risk. Not small shit like it is now. Like Purp said they will bump up MJ's drug class. So you think that people are going to risk 5 fuckin years in jail without being compensated? Right now if your young and don't know the right people,or visiting like Purp said. MJ is about $20 a gram on the street. It's not what I pay but I see it. Plenty. So. The same 19 year old that showed up on the steps of the guys house the day before for $20n a gram will pay more. The man will say."Shit,I could do 5 years for this,it's $30 now." So the guy will buy it or not,depending on how many people he knows. But don't be surprised if within 2 weeks he gets the same answer everywhere. The price on drugs has always run with the risk of carrying and distributing them. After this law goes through I guarentee you the price will go up. The street always controls the overall prices on drugs,that will never change.
ECONOMIC
The economics are also not there for this. How is it economically sound? I don't remember who said it,but this is not basic economics. Nor is it good economically.
Soooo. Are these people under 21 gonna stop smoking? No. Most likely not. Just like people like me that smoke cigarettes. Every time they raise the taxes I just keep on smoking. Which also is another side note. They will raise and raise taxes,ESPECIALLY if the Fed ever gets on board. So now you got say around 3 to 6 hundred thousand people in Cali that will have to get real money to buy their weed. And the other half will or won't have the shit growing in or outside their houses. Now you have created the PERFECT environment for crime. Yes I am Hypothenizing. But it's a damn good hypothesis. If it's in your yard,you better have a real good dog or never leave the house. Cause their gonna fuckin take it. You also give these peeps more reasons to start entering more homes. Cause now not only are they lookin for stuff to jack to sell for weed,they'll be cruisin into random homes just to see if they got some growin. This law will create a new crime wave. So they tax this weed. And make it a higher class drug. Where do you think all the money the Gov is going to collect will go? That's right. You will be funding the new war on drugs. That's right,war on drugs,not marijuana,but drugs. Because that is what marijuana will be. You will no longer be able to say you don't do drugs except weed. Because you will be voting to put it in the same class as cocaine. There is the CHANCE. And I mean chance,but not that far fetched,that some or a lot of the money will be used to upgrade juvenile halls AND prisons to hold all the new POT offenders. So all the new tax money that you voted for would go to more task forces against the thing you love. The Gov. loves to hustle. Don't ever forget that. If they can use the money this way they will. It's like the lottery,it's not gonna do shit for this state's economy. Cause they will be spending way more to govern it. Am I for legalization? Hell yeah. But this doesn't sound like real legalization to me. Just a hustle.
I for one will be somewhat more nervous after the law passes to grow. This shit ain't gonna be no joke.
Last point and question. If this is legalization,why does it feel more like re criminalization? And why are there so many new punishments and conditions for the shit? THIS IS NOT LEGALIZATION. It's them allowing us to get away with a little bit so they can get more control and get YOU the tax payer and voter to pay for it.
