Who Believes In God?

[iblazethatkush]

Religion isn't responsible for book burnings and witch trials, humans are. Although I think religion can add a bit of gas to the flames, humans are just pretty evil on our own. It's who we are. Religion is only a conduit for these aggressions. Without religion, we would do the same things in the name of something else.

Oh shit U must of wrote that as soon as I started typing. That's exactly what I said. One of us must be a psychic. Lol

 

[suicidesamurai]

Oh shit U must of wrote that as soon as I started typing. That's exactly what I said. One of us must be a psychic. Lol

We aren't psychic. We are just both very smart.

 

[iblazethatkush]

I think this world is a test. If God made his presence known directly it would be too easy and everyone would get into heaven. God only wants people with good souls in heavan so we are sent here to be tested. Even Jesus was tested mightily if you remember, for those of you who read your bible. The only way to do this is for God to not make his presence known directly. But, I see evidence that proves God's exisetence everyday, you just have to be open minded...Well, this is what I think anyways

 

[skunkushybrid]

Religion isn't responsible for book burnings and witch trials, humans are. Although I think religion can add a bit of gas to the flames, humans are just pretty evil on our own. It's who we are. Religion is only a conduit for these aggressions. Without religion, we would do the same things in the name of something else.

Religion isn't responsible for book burnings... humans are... then humans are also responsible for religion and belief in magical gods. One begets the other, this is my point.

What would this something else be, that we would commit similar atrocities?

Humans are not evil, society and its love of money is. Evil is not who we are. We are both... but for 'good' to win out over 'evil'... religion and silly beliefs in magical gods must be considered ludicrous, and reported as such in the media.

death is something that we all fear, and should be feared... which is why our lives should mean everything to us.

 

[potpimp]

There is a world of difference between "religion" and Christianity. If you want to know what Jesus (the one who said "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food." Gen. 1:29) thinks about "religion", read just ONE of the gospels and see what he thought about the pharasees and saducees, the religious leaders of the day. He called them vipers, children of the devil, hippocrates. He denounced them as evil and told them all they were in danger of hell fire. They were the only ones trying their best to kill him and only managed to do that with a paid informant, a mock trial, lying witnesses, and a judge intent on killing him any way possible. It would be easy for God to "prove" his existence but then you wouldn't have to have faith and that's what God requires, as Iblazethatkush pointed out. I'm not here to shove anything down anybodys throat, just to give my belief - as the rest of you have too - and my experience. If you don't "get it" then maybe you're not supposed to.

 

[donnieosmond]

There is a world of difference between "religion" and Christianity. If you want to know what Jesus (the one who said "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food." Gen. 1:29) thinks about "religion", read just ONE of the gospels and see what he thought about the pharasees and saducees, the religious leaders of the day. He called them vipers, children of the devil, hippocrates. He denounced them as evil and told them all they were in danger of hell fire. They were the only ones trying their best to kill him and only managed to do that with a paid informant, a mock trial, lying witnesses, and a judge intent on killing him any way possible. It would be easy for God to "prove" his existence but then you wouldn't have to have faith and that's what God requires, as Iblazethatkush pointed out. I'm not here to shove anything down anybodys throat, just to give my belief - as the rest of you have too - and my experience. If you don't "get it" then maybe you're not supposed to.

Well said. +rep

 

[mastakoosh]

Well said. +rep

i have to agree.

 

[m3atwad]

religions bullshit all evidence points against it.
and if you dont fear death you must be insane, its the end of your existence.
you dont go to some magical place where all your dreams willl come true or any bullshit like that.
religion is the second biggest lie next to santa claus hah.
its sad but true.

 

[m3atwad]

and one thing that really bothers me. why would god not point it out loud and clear that hes real? that would just make morrreee people believe in him... isnt that what he wants ? .. answer is cause he isnt.. sorry for all you believers out there.
if he wanted us to believe in him he wouldnt have to rely on some people being gullibe.

 

[1puff2puff3puff]

That is soooo TRUE!!!! Very well said!!!!

There is a world of difference between "religion" and Christianity. If you want to know what Jesus (the one who said "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food." Gen. 1:29) thinks about "religion", read just ONE of the gospels and see what he thought about the pharasees and saducees, the religious leaders of the day. He called them vipers, children of the devil, hippocrates. He denounced them as evil and told them all they were in danger of hell fire. They were the only ones trying their best to kill him and only managed to do that with a paid informant, a mock trial, lying witnesses, and a judge intent on killing him any way possible. It would be easy for God to "prove" his existence but then you wouldn't have to have faith and that's what God requires, as Iblazethatkush pointed out. I'm not here to shove anything down anybodys throat, just to give my belief - as the rest of you have too - and my experience. If you don't "get it" then maybe you're not supposed to.

 

[mountainSpliff]

Its seems the only reason this debate has lasted so long is because of selfish reasons. 'I want MY ideology to be the correct one.' is what most people seem to be perveying. Yet there is no substantial evidence in any direction. All we have is what we have read and heard, or seen if you had a little too much lsd.
Sure Jesus was a great man and a great leader. I dont think he would want the world obsessing over him. That would be rediculous.

I think Nelson Mandela is the next Jesus. He doesn't preach about god. He just leads by example. He is practically on his death bed, yet he travels the world doing as much good as is physically possible.

 

[suicidesamurai]

Its seems the only reason this debate has lasted so long is because of selfish reasons. 'I want MY ideology to be the correct one.' is what most people seem to be perveying. Yet there is no substantial evidence in any direction. All we have is what we have read and heard, or seen if you had a little too much lsd.
Sure Jesus was a great man and a great leader. I dont think he would want the world obsessing over him. That would be rediculous.

I think Nelson Mandela is the next Jesus. He doesn't preach about god. He just leads by example. He is practically on his death bed, yet he travels the world doing as much good as is physically possible.

The way I think about it is that religious people (or just deists) have no evidence for those beliefs. It doesn't matter if I am right that a higher power doesn't exist, it matters that you believe things that can't be proven and have no evidence in their favor. If we could prove scientifically that God exists, maybe we could debate about whether he drives a Chevy or a Ford. But debating his/her/it's/their existence is largely futile.

What matters is that I don't rely on faith for my beliefs, which makes me right, not necessarily in my beliefs, but in my way of forming them.

 

[mountainSpliff]

The way I think about it is that religious people (or just deists) have no evidence for those beliefs. It doesn't matter if I am right that a higher power doesn't exist, it matters that you believe things that can't be proven and have no evidence in their favor. If we could prove scientifically that God exists, maybe we could debate about whether he drives a Chevy or a Ford. But debating his/her/it's/their existence is largely futile.

What matters is that I don't rely on faith for my beliefs, which makes me right, not necessarily in my beliefs, but in my way of forming them.

So you form your beliefs on what you have experienced so far?
Makes sense to me.

Debating this topic might be futile, but it is important for the growth of the human mind.

Never stop questioning.

 

[suicidesamurai]

So you form your beliefs on what you have experienced so far?
Makes sense to me.

Debating this topic might be futile, but it is important for the growth of the human mind.

Never stop questioning.

I don't base such heavy beliefs on experience, but on experimentation. Personal experience is subjective. It is valid for many things, but when it comes to believing something such as the existence of a higher power, I need evidence.

 

[donnieosmond]

and one thing that really bothers me. why would god not point it out loud and clear that hes real? that would just make morrreee people believe in him... isnt that what he wants ? .. answer is cause he isnt.. sorry for all you believers out there.
if he wanted us to believe in him he wouldnt have to rely on some people being gullibe.

Because God doesn't push his beliefs on others. He wants you to have faith, hope, and most of all he wants us to love the message he is spreading. If you believe in God you should have 3 things in your life, faith, hope and love. When you get to heaven, you don't need faith because you've seen God, you don't need hope because you now know heaven is real... but you'll always need love. God doesn't want more people to believe in him just because he's there. If he all of a sudden showed up tomorrow, it would eliminate the need for faith and hope because evidence existed. He wants us to spend our lives hoping and having faith that he exists, and in return he will give us life after death. I'm sorry if you think having faith and being gullible are the same things, but that just reflects back upon you your complete lack of knowledge (and faith).

 

[1puff2puff3puff]

You have excellent points Donnie. But with these guy you are totally waisting your time. They will just continue to mock you and call you names and bring up "so called facts" why you shouldnt believe and shots at your intelligence for your beliefs. So just please dont waist your time...... However God Bless oyu on this holiday season and remember to celebrate the Reason for the Season!!! MERY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

Be safe and take a couple of tokes for me!!!!

Because God doesn't push his beliefs on others. He wants you to have faith, hope, and most of all he wants us to love the message he is spreading. If you believe in God you should have 3 things in your life, faith, hope and love. When you get to heaven, you don't need faith because you've seen God, you don't need hope because you now know heaven is real... but you'll always need love. God doesn't want more people to believe in him just because he's there. If he all of a sudden showed up tomorrow, it would eliminate the need for faith and hope because evidence existed. He wants us to spend our lives hoping and having faith that he exists, and in return he will give us life after death. I'm sorry if you think having faith and being gullible are the same things, but that just reflects back upon you your complete lack of knowledge (and faith).

 

[natrone23]

Yeah you guys and your "Facts"

 

[starchland]

only when im high otherwise fuck all that bs

 

[suicidesamurai]

I'm sorry if you think having faith and being gullible are the same things, but that just reflects back upon you your complete lack of knowledge (and faith).

You have no knowledge of God, don't pretend you do. All you have is faith, which is more a weakness than anything.

 

[WhatAmIDoing]

You have no knowledge of God, don't pretend you do. All you have is faith, which is more a weakness than anything.

Sorry, I can't agree with that last part. It totally depends on the person and where you are comfortable in life. All they have is faith, true. But all you have is a lack of faith. Same thing, no? Depends on how you wanna look at it i guess, perspective is reality and perspective is subject to change in each person as an individual as well as culture and society as a whole.