Ron Paul Calls for End to Drug War
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medicineman
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One of the costliest losing wars in history. I think Drugs won.
mockingbird131313
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The government won the war on drugs. ANYTHING that employs people is good, if you are a bureaucrat. D.A.R.E. is the worst example I can think of. There is no proof that it does anything useful, and costs millions of dollars to administer. If we ignored drugs, how many government people would be out of work?
Same thing with other useless policies.
medicineman
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If the govt. won, why are drugs more plentiful now than 20 years ago? Drugs won. Granted there are more enforcement personel than ever, but that just shows drugs are winning as no matter how many enforcers they put out there, Drugs will find a way around them. BTW, do you realize the unemployment that would result in legalization. There is a whole industry built on illegality. Ever wonder what the real price of drugs are. The price without the inflation caused by the legal status. I heard once it cost about a dollar an OZ to produce 90 percent pure Cocaine. I think at one time in the 60s I read in Rolling stone or some such mag. that dentists paid like 12 bucks an OZ for pharma coke. How much would commercial weed cost, 5.00 a Lb.? If you saw that picture of the afghan pot forest. 10 ft high plants for as far as the eye could see, you'd know how prolific pot is if left out in the open. :
Taliban Smoked Out of Pot Forest
Sunday, October 15, 2006
Note to self: when fighting militants in a giant forest made of pot, it's best not to try to burn the place down (unless you've got time to make a run for some munchies, that is).
Canadian troops in Afghanistan found this out the hard way.
Reuters reports the troops were fighting Taliban militants when they were met with a greener, more potent enemy: a 10-foot-tall marijuana forest.
The Taliban fighters were using the dense thicket of plants for cover, so the troops were forced to eliminate the weedy threat.
"The challenge is that marijuana plants absorb energy and heat very readily. It's very difficult to penetrate with thermal devices ... and as a result you really have to be careful that the Taliban don't dodge in and out of those marijuana forests," General Rick Hillier said in a speech in Ottawa.
"A couple of brown plants on the edges of some of those (forests) did catch on fire. But a section of soldiers that was downwind from that had some ill effects and decided that was probably not the right course of action," Hiller said.
twostarhotel
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haha wow thats a crazy story could you imagine seeing that
twostarhotel
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hahaha thats funny
mockingbird131313
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"If the govt. won, why are drugs more plentiful now than 20 years ago? Drugs won. Granted there are more enforcement personal than ever, but that just shows drugs are winning as no matter how many enforcers they put out there, Drugs will find a way around them. BTW, do you realize the unemployment that would result in legalization. There is a whole industry built on illegality. Ever wonder what the real price of drugs are. The price without the inflation caused by the legal status."
Really? You are a smart man and this was hardly your best work.
The point is simple, the 'war on drugs' is a bureaucracy making money. It achieved it's primary goal; Employ gumshoes. You did make one good point however, there would be a trickle-down effect (I know you love this term). But, instead of positive money flow, it would be reverse money flow, for awhile. Then positive money flow in another economic sector.
Taking a hatchet to the bureaucracy, at any point in the knotted chain, always has the same reverse affect. The worst would be to downsize the IRS with any kind of flat-tax solution. If poor slubs, like presumably you and I, did not have to file a long form annually, there would be hell to pay. First, you put a bunch of useless attorneys and accounts out on the street. Then bookkeepers. Computer programmers are next. H&R Block, RIP. Sales of office supplies, like folders and file cabinets would plummet. Do you have ANY concept of how many trees would be spared with ANY flat-tax solution?
Funny thing about these ideas is that every one of them increases the Gross National Product. Because, right now, employed bookkeepers and jail guards ad nothing to production. If their jobs are eliminated, they have to go find work in the private sector. Perhaps, even make something, of real value, that is sold by a large nasty corporation. For a PROFIT!!!
GNP, it's a wonderful thing.
Really? You are a smart man and this was hardly your best work.
The point is simple, the 'war on drugs' is a bureaucracy making money. It achieved it's primary goal; Employ gumshoes. You did make one good point however, there would be a trickle-down effect (I know you love this term). But, instead of positive money flow, it would be reverse money flow, for awhile. Then positive money flow in another economic sector.
Taking a hatchet to the bureaucracy, at any point in the knotted chain, always has the same reverse affect. The worst would be to downsize the IRS with any kind of flat-tax solution. If poor slubs, like presumably you and I, did not have to file a long form annually, there would be hell to pay. First, you put a bunch of useless attorneys and accounts out on the street. Then bookkeepers. Computer programmers are next. H&R Block, RIP. Sales of office supplies, like folders and file cabinets would plummet. Do you have ANY concept of how many trees would be spared with ANY flat-tax solution?
Funny thing about these ideas is that every one of them increases the Gross National Product. Because, right now, employed bookkeepers and jail guards ad nothing to production. If their jobs are eliminated, they have to go find work in the private sector. Perhaps, even make something, of real value, that is sold by a large nasty corporation. For a PROFIT!!!
GNP, it's a wonderful thing.
medicineman
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So, what's your solution, I'm always open to new agendas as long as they don't fuck with my retirement. Having worked as a physical laborer most of my life, I find this "not Working" thing to be just what I was looking for, for 50++ years. In fact, as busy as I am now, I wonder how I ever found time for a Job.
ViRedd
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And this was my exact point to Med about "licking the hand that feeds him." Even though Med missed the point entirely, and took offense to the idea, the fact is, Med's wife is a tax preparer who makes money off of the fear and ignorance of the taxpayer. Is there any wonder that Med supports the status quo of our slave tax system? Med rails against special interests here in the forum while living in a glass house.
And by the way ... it's kinda nice having the big guy on ignore. A cloud of negativism has lifted off of the top of my computer monitor already. ~lol~
Vi
medicineman
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Funny how the fact that I'm on his ignore list hasn't stopped him from talking shit about me. I must really get under his creepy skin,~LOL~. And BTW my wife shows people how to keep money from the IRS. She probably saves the average client 6-8 hundred bucks. I guess that makes her and I evil people, According to dickhead, Vi. She has people that come from as far as Idaho to get their taxes done by her, Yeah, were just evil people, I'm sure glad that dickhead put me on Ignore, now I can call him as I see him and not worry about a response,~LOL~.
mockingbird131313
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Friends! Friends! I'm having fun with all of you.
As long as we have a useless tax-solution, we will need the talents of Mrs. medicineman. Anytime we streamline buracracy we create unemployment in one sector and job opportunities open in another sectors. The present reason we keep the IRS is it employees people, who are near the top of the food chain.
My solution medicineman, is a complete downsize of the government. Tax solution? People who make $100k, or less, ONLY pay consumption taxes on purchases. The work sectors will readjust as needed.
GNP goes up.
Did I mention the Federal Reserve needs to go?
As long as we have a useless tax-solution, we will need the talents of Mrs. medicineman. Anytime we streamline buracracy we create unemployment in one sector and job opportunities open in another sectors. The present reason we keep the IRS is it employees people, who are near the top of the food chain.
My solution medicineman, is a complete downsize of the government. Tax solution? People who make $100k, or less, ONLY pay consumption taxes on purchases. The work sectors will readjust as needed.
GNP goes up.
Did I mention the Federal Reserve needs to go?
Miracle Smoke
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I say vote for ron paul!
Not just for the war on drugs, but to unfuck america.
Wow i mean really dude that guy "needs" to be president.
Like it has to happen.
Not just for the war on drugs, but to unfuck america.
Wow i mean really dude that guy "needs" to be president.
Like it has to happen.
twostarhotel
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all of you should just relax and smoke a bowl and vote for ron paul in the primarys some states are different but in mine you gotta register under republican check it out
dont mean to change the subject or anything
well now carry on haha
dont mean to change the subject or anything
well now carry on haha
MagusALL
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yeah, ron paul is the man but i dont think we have a shot in hell. maybe in 2012. lets just get his name out there and get a strong showing in 2008 to put him on the map. we need to get keyes to drop out to be his hypothetical running mate and thats that. its difficult to get the republican seat and especially for a very conservative republican, in a neo-conservative party. the people will smarten up though. we just need to beat it into their heads, cuz thats the only thing that works.
Miracle Smoke
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Never say never even if its impossible.
If the people want him he'll win.
Please vote for this man, he is the Gandhi for america.
The guy even says he would legalize cannabis!
But thats is the least to worry about!
Vote for Ron Paul.
Ive never voted or anything, Hell i wanted to join the military but due to this senseless war i don't want too. But this man has changed my opinion on voting thats for damn sure!
If the people want him he'll win.
Please vote for this man, he is the Gandhi for america.
The guy even says he would legalize cannabis!
But thats is the least to worry about!
Vote for Ron Paul.
Ive never voted or anything, Hell i wanted to join the military but due to this senseless war i don't want too. But this man has changed my opinion on voting thats for damn sure!
twostarhotel
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yeah its not about what everyone else thinks you belive in him you VOTE you MAKE IT HAPPEN fuck getting all excited again, do everything you can, run as a deligate in your city or vote for a deligate if he wins the primary in your state then hes got a chance for sure becuase then hell be running with the final canidates!! go vote in your states primary
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