DEA raid in Los Angeles - 11 LEGAL medicinal marijuana clinics raided
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dankciti
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no it was me too.. im just too high to admit it. LOL
it is a good book and like andy worhahl asked congress that all americans should be blessed with acid LSD at least once in their live, likewise all people should be required to read it and study the beast we haveall created in government agencies with limitless powerand no defined rules of engagement.
medicineman
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Granted America is extreme compared to many developed countries. I agree heavily with fdd2blk. I believe if we rebel as a society, no matter where we live, we will overpower any government. In fact it isn't a belief, its fact.
Just a reminder, Remember Kent State!
Just a reminder, Remember Kent State!
ViRedd
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So, for those who've read Orwell's 1984 ... do you remember how it ends? Lest you've forgotten ... "A Boot In The Face FOREVER!"
Its all about the power guyz ... all about the power.
I think the solution can be found in several areas. First, vote for the presidential candidates who will appoint constitutionalist judges to the federal courts. Second, is for Americans to call for the abolition of the Welfare State. Third, would be for every American to take voting and jury duty seriously. Fourth, we need to wake up to the fact that a federal government powerful enough to give you everything, is also powerful enough to take everything away.
Vi
Its all about the power guyz ... all about the power.
I think the solution can be found in several areas. First, vote for the presidential candidates who will appoint constitutionalist judges to the federal courts. Second, is for Americans to call for the abolition of the Welfare State. Third, would be for every American to take voting and jury duty seriously. Fourth, we need to wake up to the fact that a federal government powerful enough to give you everything, is also powerful enough to take everything away.
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dankciti
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i must seriously say thank you for your utterly beautiful rendition of my internal monologue (of which iccan never seem to express clearlyh) <--see
medicineman
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Second, is for Americans to call for the abolition of the Welfare State. You had me untill this. I'll agree to your premises if you can guarantee everyone that needs a job will be guaranteed one at a livable wage. I'm all for the teach a man how to fish theory, but there are only so many fish in the sea. Now you've eliminated all "welfare", How are 200 million people going to eat, we Know that 100 million are going to do just fine, should we just fire up the furnaces and start rounding up the disadvantaged. Give me a viable plan to your utopia, one with real figures of employment and wage differentials that will guarantee a welfare free state, where everyone has food and shelter and a chance to progress. It can't be done!
I agree to a certain degree. The Americans who DO take voting seriously are those who vote. The problem is the power of manipulation every governing body has. Take the Bush Administration. Before he came to power he bombarded the red states with utter bullshit which told them that it is each individuals christian right to vote republican, and demonised the democrats as the devil. The fact the people believed this is amazing. Fair enough, everyone has the right to make up their own mind, but this particular administration is abusing the fact that influences make up people's minds.
In relation to your comment about the fact the government is able to give and therefore take everything away, this is completely true. Look what they have taken away from you. Thousands upon thousands of American soldiers who believed that no matter what they were fighting for, it was right. The families who have to suffer their unnecessary deaths. Its compelte exploitation of power and goes to show that no government works in the interest of the people, but in the interest of itself. Who says any government should have the power to give us everything? If this is true it is there duty, and therefore the option of them taking everything away isn't justified. We, as individuals, deserve the right to do this, not one man. The idea of having a government there is to protect the people. Do you think the current war is to protect the people? No of course it isn't. It's striving to protect what little reputation Bush has left, to gain more money and control and to show the weaker states that America is not to be messed with. Bush was recently denied the sending in of more troops thankfully, because congress is now sensible, and not sheep. Does this not tell you something? It tells me Bush doesn't care about what the people think, because the people think it's wrong to send more in. Yet he wants to. What kind of government doesn't listen to the people it is dealing with? The people whos lives are going to be taken away for it's own good?
Appointing constitutional judges to the federal courts will make little difference unless they are reletively liberal. Look at the supreme court. Unfortunatly the belief of the individual judges what the constitution means. As far as I'm concerned this is one of the smallest things America has to worry about. What it needs to worry about is gaining a reasonable reputation back, if they ever had one. It's a barbaric country at the moment, and that's going to be hard to change.
medicineman
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Do you think the current war is to protect the people? No of course it isn't. It's striving to protect what little reputation Bush has left, to gain more money and control and to show the weaker states that America is not to be messed with. Bush was recently denied the sending in of more troops thankfully, because congress is now sensible, and not sheep. Does this not tell you something? It tells me Bush doesn't care about what the people think, because the people think it's wrong to send more in. Yet he wants to. What kind of government doesn't listen to the people it is dealing with? The people whos lives are going to be taken away for it's own good?
Very well stated, in fact your whole post made perfect sense. I wonder if we are the only two people to see it this way. I take it you're from another country. People in this country, America, are too brainwashed to see the situation from this prospective. There is this sense of patriotism that is unfounded by the behavior of the government. In my estimation, a true patriot would want to get rid of the current regime as fast as they could.
Very well stated, in fact your whole post made perfect sense. I wonder if we are the only two people to see it this way. I take it you're from another country. People in this country, America, are too brainwashed to see the situation from this prospective. There is this sense of patriotism that is unfounded by the behavior of the government. In my estimation, a true patriot would want to get rid of the current regime as fast as they could.
ViRedd
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"In my estimation, a true patriot would want to get rid of the current regime as fast as they could."
You're talking about removing power in one breath and in the other breath you are talking about increasing that power through the manipulation of the welfare state. The two don't mix. Sorry that you continue to not see this picture.
Vi
You're talking about removing power in one breath and in the other breath you are talking about increasing that power through the manipulation of the welfare state. The two don't mix. Sorry that you continue to not see this picture.
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medicineman
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ViRedd
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medicineman
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you cannot expect better air quality by driving a pickup truck that gets nine miles per gallon. It just doesn't compute.
Vi, How many miles do you drive a year? I drive less, so pollute less. I basically use my truck to go to the gym and haul the family and stuff on vacations, 2500-4000 a year, I get 12 around town and up to 19 on the road. I don't need your permission to tell me what kind of vehicle to drive, you drive yours and let me drive mine mr. libertarian!
Vi, How many miles do you drive a year? I drive less, so pollute less. I basically use my truck to go to the gym and haul the family and stuff on vacations, 2500-4000 a year, I get 12 around town and up to 19 on the road. I don't need your permission to tell me what kind of vehicle to drive, you drive yours and let me drive mine mr. libertarian!
medicineman
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And Vi, can you not find another way of arguing which doesn't involve patronization? Try listening to other people's views as opposed to undermining them with your intensly annoying and rather tedious sarcasm. This is a debate, not a heated argument.
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Well said. He likes to scold from the father figure stance. BTW what country are you from?
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Well said. He likes to scold from the father figure stance. BTW what country are you from?
Lol, I'm from Ireland, and yes we have television, yes we have cars and yes, believe it or not, we have the internet
. Oh, and also, potatoes are my least favourite food. Well scolding in this sense goes to show single mindedness i suppose... *ducks a punch from Vi*What about yourself? Are you a legendary Californian?
7xstall
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we have to get the constitutionalist judges and start getting the state out of so much of our live's, well said Vi.
there were hardly any jobless and poor in our country until the gvnmnt started giving hand outs. they had to because of the depression but they should have been smart enough to put an expiration into those laws and programs like Bush did with patriot act.
i was starting to believe i wasn't a slave med...now i feel like an aimless, lonely critter with a pointy back...
there were hardly any jobless and poor in our country until the gvnmnt started giving hand outs. they had to because of the depression but they should have been smart enough to put an expiration into those laws and programs like Bush did with patriot act.
i was starting to believe i wasn't a slave med...now i feel like an aimless, lonely critter with a pointy back...
dankciti
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ViRedd
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Oisen sez ...
"And Vi, can you not find another way of arguing which doesn't involve patronization? Try listening to other people's views as opposed to undermining them with your intensly annoying and rather tedious sarcasm. This is a debate, not a heated argument."
Patronization? My, we're using rather large words now aren't we? And when have you ever seen me being patronizing? Humph!
Vi
"And Vi, can you not find another way of arguing which doesn't involve patronization? Try listening to other people's views as opposed to undermining them with your intensly annoying and rather tedious sarcasm. This is a debate, not a heated argument."
Patronization? My, we're using rather large words now aren't we? And when have you ever seen me being patronizing? Humph!
Vi
"Using rather large words" is a simple and effective way of getting a point accross more clearly. That's all. Let's not get into this shall we? It has nothing to do with the topic; as i said it is a debate not an argument.
Lol no, don't let your head exceed it's already large sizelegendary. are we the talk of the free thinking international minds??
I actually lived in Berkeley for a year so have a very high opinion of Californians!