Calling All Noob Growers

This thread should be a sticky?

  • Yes, it was very helpful

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Danielsgb

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Got caught up this morning to reading this. GREAT job. I will have to keep looking at the links cause that's a ton to read:eyesmoke: Since you took the dozens of hours, I'll put in a few till I get it absorbed. I can already tell you 1 of the 2 Fridge Queens is getting the O2 starving technique. The 2 are nearly identical, topped the same, fed the same nute combos, so this will be a good experiment. Once again kiss-ass for all the work you put into this. Write a book and I'll buy one. I've read Mel Franks a couple (maybe 3) times, but this clarifies everything more.
Daniels
 

riddleme

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Woo Hoo my first customer, better get writin ay?

verifying information is a bitch sometines but I love doing research as I love learnin and understanding things

when I can validate or disprove a myth I get excited cause I know the impact it can have

in the end there is nothing that compares to a labor of love for human happiness

looking forward to your side by side, should be interesting
 

Dubious06

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That's a great article-- as a nooB, I thank you so much for sharing your insight. I'm an experienced gardener, 65+ plants, a greenhouse, yada yada yada, but still have a question concerning my first time with MJ growing. The fertilizer I use on all of my other plants is a fish emulsion. While it smells awful upon application, the plants love love love it, and my flowers are brighter and fruits and veggies look great too-- through years of exp. I have found this to be one of the best ways to promote a healthy and happy plant. Has anyone used fish emulsion before? I really want my first time to be a positive exp., with a positive yield. Thanks for all the help!
 

riddleme

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That's a great article-- as a nooB, I thank you so much for sharing your insight. I'm an experienced gardener, 65+ plants, a greenhouse, yada yada yada, but still have a question concerning my first time with MJ growing. The fertilizer I use on all of my other plants is a fish emulsion. While it smells awful upon application, the plants love love love it, and my flowers are brighter and fruits and veggies look great too-- through years of exp. I have found this to be one of the best ways to promote a healthy and happy plant. Has anyone used fish emulsion before? I really want my first time to be a positive exp., with a positive yield. Thanks for all the help!
Welcome to the thread, Yes you can use the fishy stuff, MasterofGenetics just started a new class here and I'm pretty sure he mentioned using it
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/338828-how-make-marijuana-business-nothing.html

I'm a chemical nute kinda guy and I'm not sure how it would work with my way of growing but what I can tell you for sure,,,,,if your growing a healthy garden just treat MJ the same way and you will be fine
 

Danielsgb

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That's a great article-- as a nooB, I thank you so much for sharing your insight. I'm an experienced gardener, 65+ plants, a greenhouse, yada yada yada, but still have a question concerning my first time with MJ growing. The fertilizer I use on all of my other plants is a fish emulsion. While it smells awful upon application, the plants love love love it, and my flowers are brighter and fruits and veggies look great too-- through years of exp. I have found this to be one of the best ways to promote a healthy and happy plant. Has anyone used fish emulsion before? I really want my first time to be a positive exp., with a positive yield. Thanks for all the help!
I use it all the time with very positive results. Sometimes I folar spray it if they need a pick me up. You won't smell any MJ for a while, but you'd know that from using it:eyesmoke:
Daniels
 

Dubious06

Active Member
Thanks for the help guys. A foliar spray is a good idea. I can't wait to get some more exp. under my belt with all of this. I am looking forward to the challenge and appreciate any and all advice.
 

riddleme

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Thanks for the help guys. A foliar spray is a good idea. I can't wait to get some more exp. under my belt with all of this. I am looking forward to the challenge and appreciate any and all advice.
your in the right thread, all you'll get here is the real deal we don't do myths or hype
 

jumboSWISHER

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your in the right thread, all you'll get here is the real deal we don't do myths or hype
yep thats deffinatly true, iv realized that with probly 99% of the info you find on this site is personal opinions. people read all the articles documents etc.. and bring there perspective of what they just read to RIU threads and teach it, so then noob growers are forming a perspective of somebody elses perspective. its all about perspective(not just growing, pretty much everything in life). here in this thread Riddle posts the articles, documents etc.. and lets you form your own perspcticve of it.
witch IMHO is a much more effective way of learning.
 

Dubious06

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You're right-- it's all relative, and everyone's cumulative perspectives have created a wealth of knowledge. All the insight that's been passed along has been fantastic. I love this forum, and you guys rock. Riddle your experiences is awesome, and are probably saving me a lot of trial and error. Thanks again, cheers!
 
hey great stuff i cant wait to do a flush now that i understand it.
but i have a question. i started 1 of my plants in a soil cup like you weere talking about but when the root came out i put it in rockwool instead of soil. my question is do i need to and nutes or is there enough in the soil? (it has an even 7 ph)
 

riddleme

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Woo Hoo got my beans today, all there, none smashed or broken,,I love The Attitude!!!!!!

Oh I'm sorry did I say beans, I meant I got a cool t-shirt for my nephew
 

robbzilla

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I'm subbed. I usually flush or "make it rain" about 2 weeks out from harvest but after reading this article I did it a month into vegging. Really it does make sense to flush. Its just more natural.
 

riddleme

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1840 - 1937
The Golden Age of Medical Cannabis

ADVERTISEMENT - 1917
While western doctors had made use of Cannabis for a variety of minor ailments ever since the days of Galen. It wasn't until O'Shaughnessy (an Irish doctor, who while in India learned about Cannabis from local Mohammedan and Hindu physicians), returned from the Bengal (1839) and published his findings, that the western world begin to take notice. At a time when western medicine had few if any reliable drugs, here was an analgesic (painkiller), a sedative and antispasmodic agent all in one. And best of all, it had a very low toxicity rate (to this day no one has died from its use) and could be grown almost anywhere in commercial quantities.

For obvious reasons, Cannabis Indica or Medical Marihuana soon became an indispensable part of western medicine. In fact, it spread throughout the western world like wildfire, and within a few years would be as common a medical ingredient in medicines as aspirin is today.


What Was The First (known) Antique Cannabis Medicine?
What Year Was It Made In?
What Firm Manufactured It?

The following is a short article, taken from the June 1890 (page 104) issue of the American Druggist.
Extract of Cannabis Indica
Dr. Cripps Lawrence warns prescribers to be careful regarding the use of this extract, which is well known to be of exceedingly variable activity, owing to the crude drug being sometimes inert and sometimes active. He mentions that five years ago Messers, Squire & sons informed him that from the time Dr. O’Shaughnessy first introduced cannabis indica into England, and gave some to the late Mr. Peter Squire in order to make it into an extract, up to the present day, they have been continuously supplied by the original collectors of the plant, and each sample has proved good, yielding efficient preparations; but they have found that the active principles vary in different specimens of the plant from year to year, so that they cannot predicate the actual degree of potency to be attributed to an extract or tincture prepared under identical conditions, until the preparation has been adequately tested for any given year. In this connection we may recall the advice of Dr. George Watt contained in a communication to the Chemist and Druggist (Feb. 19th, 1887), in which he recommends “chemists desirous of making the very best extracts of Indian hemp to pay the full price for Bengal ‘Ganja,’ and to import the article from Calcutta instead of from Bombay, when there would be every chance that the defects complained of in the extract as now prepared would disappear completely.” The reason of this recommendation is that the greatest care is taken in Bengal to insure that the female plants are not fertilized by the male, so that the full narcotic power of the drug may be retained. This it loses after fertilization.
Thus it can be stated that the very first (known) Antique Cannabis Medicine was bottled in London England (1840).

NOTE: This museum only deals with Brand or Trade name products manufactured by established firms, not with generic products. Thus in terms of Western Medicine, 1840 is our starting date. However, it is still very much possible that some (let us say), Indian medical products could pre-date the above product, but at least for now, none that we know of.



QUESTION: On a Brand or Trade Name Basis; How Many (legal) pre-1937 Medical Cannabis Medicines were there?

ANSWER: World-Wide, somewhere between 20,000 and 30,000 --- That’s not a joke, that’s the answer. In case this is a little hard to swallow, maybe an explanation, by way of a fictional story, is in order.


THE DOPE ADVENTURES OF DARLA DARE:[A]

It was a public forum . . . the city council was debating whether or not to impose a ban on all medical cannabis dispensaries in the city. Darla Dare sat patiently as one speaker after another spoke out on the ordinance. One narcotics official stated:
  • “Medical Cannabis has no medical uses” and . . . “those who thought that way were in denial, YES there’re in denial.”

Darla Dare pointed to various posters showing old Cannabis Medicines.

Darla Dare pointed to various posters showing old Cannabis Medicines.

Darla Dare pointed to various posters showing old Cannabis Medicines.

Darla Dare pointed to various posters showing old Cannabis Medicines.

Darla Dare pointed to various posters showing old Cannabis Medicines.

Another said that, “Proper medicines come in pill form and you buy them in a drug store.” Therefore he was not in support of anyone using Medical Cannabis.

Yet another spoke about a conspiracy of the un-washed hippy. That he deliberately got Cancer, just so he would have an excuse to use Medical Cannabis ; But that we were going to stop him. . . . . And on and on the speakers went on, until it was Darla Dare’s turn to speak.

“My name is Darla Dare, I am with a pro-Medical Cannabis museum. Our museum has documented well over 600 pre-1937 (meaning legal) medical cannabis medicines; ALL of which incidentally were sold in drugstores on a brand or trade name bases.”

Darla Dare now pointed to various posters she had brought with her showing pictures of old Antique Cannabis Medicines and went on. “Here are examples of some of these pre-1937 pharmaceutical medicines.”

At this point, there was now an obvious tension in the meeting room, just a few speakers earlier a narcotics police spokeswoman had stated that, Medical Marihuana had NO MEDICAL uses. “That it never had and never would.” Yet here was actual proof, that this just wasn’t the case. The tension was so high that one of the city council members had to interrupt Darla Dare and ask a question. “Young woman, you stated well over 600 such medicines? I find that a little hard to believe.”

“Well actually our museum has probably documented over 2,000 by now, there were just so many that we stopped counting some ten years or so ago at six hundred.” "WHAT," said the council member, obviously taken aback, "How can there have been so many and what do you mean by document?"

Darla Dare politely looked about her, it was obvious that after so many negative speakers that some were doubting her statements. But she politely replied, “By documentation, I mean something that will stand up in court. As example:

An old medical patent application specifically mentioning the use of Medical Cannabis.
Corporate sales leaflets, or magazine advertisements, specifically mentioning the use of Medical Cannabis in their products.
A reputable Trade or Medical magazine article -- specifically mentioning the medical product and the fact that Medical Cannabis in used.
Old Pharmaceutical Price and Product Catalogs etc.

“All of which make excellent sources of documentation. For example," and here Darla Dare, reached into a backpack and pulled out an old 'Eli Lilly' Price and Product catalog from the year 1920. “This old catalog documents that in 1920 the Eli Lilly Co., was making and selling around 20 medicines that in one form or another made use of Medical Cannabis.”

What? Said the city council member again, exactly how many ways of smoking this stuff did they have?

Darla Dare replied, “Well they didn't, in fact of all the brand or trade name medicines that we have been able to document so far, only 'one' is smokable. All the rest are either external lotions or oral medications. As you can see by the pictures, before being outlawed, Medical Cannabis came in pill form and you bought it in a drug store. However, many of these medicines were what we now call, 'compound medicines' ; Meaning that there was more then one ingredient in them. Are you able to follow?”

Yes, I guess I can, but please go on -- you were saying.

“I was merely going to point out that this old catalog (year 1920) predates the Reefer Madness dis-information campaign by about a decade or so. That means that there are no stories yet about scanty clad girls (jumping out of windows), no boys (under the influence of Medical Cannabis) grabbing axes and killing whole families, etc. That at this time Medical Cannabis was just another ho-hum but legal medicine and thus no reason not to include it in one's corporate sales catalogs. I believe that another firm, Parke-Davies, holds the record with over 74 Cannabis medicines in just one of their catalogs.” The audience at the city council meeting was now silent; no one had ever brought up these facts before.

"But", interrupted yet another council member, isn’t that figure 2,000 medicines, especially as you stated on a Brand or Trade name bases, a little on the high side?

“Actually NO,” said Darla Dare. “These are the ones that we have been able to fully document, we know for a fact that they existed. But please don’t take my word for it. Our museum has collected over a hundred of these old pharmaceutical price and product catalogs, and religiously computer scanned selected pages. I'm not trying to hock anything here, but we do make this documentation available to the public in CD-rom format at cost.”

But to specifically answer your question, we believe that in total there were probably between 20,000 and 30,000 of these legal pre-1937 medicines. Again, all being sold under a specific brand or trade name.

“What, now wait a minute”, screamed one of the city council women. Already the room was in an uproar, some saying that this had to be a lie, others that it was the drug police had been lying to them for years. But it was obvious that some who had spoken earlier were somewhat uncomfortable with the situation.

“Young woman, this is not very funny,” stated the councilwomen. “I feel you should provide some level of proof to your statements or apologize to everyone in this room.”

“Gladly” said Darla Dare. “I stated earlier that our museum has been able to obtain over a hundred of these old pre-1937 pharmaceutical price and product catalogs. The problem is that between 1850 and 1937 (the years most Antique Cannabis Medicines come from), there were probably over one-thousand pharmaceutical manufacturers in the New York City area alone. And I can assure you that N.Y. was not the only pharmaceutical hub that we had back then. In effect, this means that we have only skimmed the surface of what’s out there to document. And please understand that it’s not for lack of will but lack of finances that prevent us from obtaining yet more.“ [C]

“But be that as it may, we must also take into account that our museum mostly deals with English language North American pharmaceutical antiques. The devil only knows how many German, Swedish, Italian . . . etc., antique Cannabis medicines were out there. But between twenty and thirty thousand world-wide is about right.”

“But young woman” said the city council member. “I’m still having a little trouble believing you. How could Medical Cannabis have been used in so many medicines?”

“Please forgive me,” said Darla Dare, “I’ll speak in terms that you can understand.” “Back in 1840 a Dr. O’Shaughnessy, documented that Cannabis had three major uses, those being:

As a sedative
As a pain killer
As an anti-spasmodic

At a time when even aspirin had not yet been invented and western medicine had few reliable drugs ; anyone of the above uses made Medical Cannabis a wonder drug. But soon doctors found numerous other medical uses, as well as numerous sub-uses for Cannabis."

"Uses, Sub-uses, what's the difference?," asked a councilwomen.

"Oh, I guess that could be confusing," said Darla Dare. "Let me give you a couple of examples. When used as a sedative, Medical Cannabis is great, but if a doctor recommends a stronger dosage, it than acts as a safe sleeping agent. That's an example of a sub-use. On the other hand, a good example of a major medical use occured some forty years after O'Shaughnessy. That was when drug manufacturers discovered that Cannabis could also be used in cough syrups, etc. Our website has a good list of it uses - [www.AntiqueCannabisBook.com].”

Your words certainly contradict what our narcotics police are saying”
“Yes they certainly do” said Darla Dare. “But then the axis of Evil, always seems to have an axe to grind.” To which a bit of laughter broke out in the room.

“I protest,” said one of the narcotics officials who had spoken earlier claiming no medical uses. Many of these drugs she was speaking about are repeats, the same drug simply made by two different manufacturers.

“That is true” said Darla Dare, “Back in the 19th Century, most manufacturers produced what were essentially the same drugs, with extremely small modifications between them. No one is denying that, in fact our museum website even has a whole sub-section dealing with this factor.”

“What section is this?”, asked the narc. “The section on Chlorodyne” answered Darla Dare.

“Now wait a minute”, broke in one of the City Council members. “Isn’t that a bit like cheating? I mean some of these medicines are being counted twice, aren’t they?”

“More than twice, I would think,” said Darla Dare, “At this point, I believe we’ve found about 20 manufacturers that made Chlorodyne alone. Would you like me to expand on the subject?”
“Please do”, said the narc, as did the City Council member.

“Well as I’ve already said, many of the drugs sold before 1937 were generic in nature, meaning that more than one pharmaceutical company was manufacturing it. However, as they were sold under different brand or trade names (as a museum, we do count them multiple times. And additionally, if I may add, it is also possible for one manufacturer to package (essentially the same drug) in pill as well as tablet form, and our museum would also count this twice.

“But” Darla Dare went on, “Allow me to ask all of you a trick question: How many legal makers of pre-1937 Cannabis medicines were there in this country? “

After waiting for a few seconds, she went on, “The answer is probably somewhere between two hundred and three hundred thousand.” At this point there was almost dead silence in the meeting room. "How could this be?" everyone was thinking.

<B>&#8220;Maybe an explanation is in order. To most people the very concept behind home-brew medicines, (the art of making batches of one's own medicines at home), must seem a little bit odd at best. And not without good reason, as the practice must have been a haphazard one at best. Yet at one time, home brewed medicines were very common. In fact, from an ideological viewpoint, they were part of the Jeffersonian ideals. Perhaps the following quote best describes this viewpoint:
&#8216;It bestowed upon everyone the alleged ability to heal themselves apart from the pretensions of the allopathic physician. Such a therapeutic system resonated with a Jacksonian democracy attempting to divest itself of what it viewed as elitist European notions that skill and knowledge are reserved only for those of rank and privilege. ---&#8216;John Uri Lloyd&#8217; by Michael Flannery - pp30
&#8220;For good or for bad, Jeffersonian ideals lead at least in part to the creation of the public school systems and with the ability to read and write, lots and lots of 'How To Do It' books. One didn&#8217;t have to go far during this era to locate a book of recipes on medicines for various ailments. I guess one could say, everyone was encouraged to be his or her own doctor. </B>


However, I think you can all see how this situation could led to a little over counting.&#8221; Some laughter broke out among the audience. . . &#8220;Which is why we only count them if they were sold under a specific Brand or Trade name; Essentially to eliminate this problem. We also have adopted a couple of other restrictions:
  • Manufacturing had to have taken place in an area specifically set up for pharmaceutical manufacturing -- not in someone&#8217;s back yard.
  • The manufacturing firm in question had to have had the proper business licensing for the given era.
We&#8217;ve found that these restrictions pretty much prevent grannies hooch as well as the fly-by-nights, but we do devote a whole subsection on our website to Quack medicines, -- of which there weren&#8217;t very many.&#8221; At this time, it was becoming obvious that public opinion was now shifting away from the narc's and their anti-Cannabis dispensatory ordinance.


&#8220;But Ms. (ah) Dare&#8221;, said one of the anti-Medical Cannabis City Council Members. &#8220;We still have the fact that many of these thousands of pre-1937 (ah) Antique Cannabis Medicines are duplicate counts. Isn&#8217;t that cheating?&#8221;

Darla Dare replied, &#8220;I guess so, if you wish to view it as such --- after all this was an era of generic drugs. However, IF WE WANTED TO CHEAT as you say, we would simply start counting the 500 tablet bottle, as opposed to the 50 or 100 tablet bottles, multiple times. That would make for a really big count real fast."

Laughter once more broke out among the audience, with even some of the City council members joining in.

&#8220;Please forgive me&#8221; said Darla Dare. &#8220;I was only trying to show that, before the passage of the anti-Medical Marihuana laws and contrary to what some of the previous speakers would have you think, Cannabis was in widespread medical use. And as you see by the fact that so many Medical Cannabis dispensaries exist (where legal), it still is to this very day.&#8221;

&#8220;I think you made your point,&#8221; said another member of the city council. It was now obvious, even to the narc&#8217;s that their anti-medical Cannabis dispensary law wasn&#8217;t going to pass. The public had lost all support for it, . . .

FOOTNOTES:
[A]- Darla Dare herself is a fictional character modeled after Earle Rowell&#8217;s (author of Marihuana the weed of madness 1939) own fictional character David Dare. However all incidents actually have happened in real life.

- This figure comes to us via (what we would now term) old phone books, city directories, trade magazines etc.
[C]- If anyone out there has an extra $1,000, this museum curator knows where to go and document yet another 500 more Medical Cannabis Antiques. It's not the lack of will but the lack of $$$ that is holding things back.
here is the link
http://antiquecannabisbook.com/chap2B/GoldenAge/GoldenAge.htm
 

riddleme

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wanna share something cause I thought it was cool, I have watched the cannibis cup movie (which is great by the way) think it was the 08 one any way in they (the judges) explained how they decide on the winner. I mean they just sit for hours smoking strain after strain and I watched and said to myself they gotta be baked how the hell could you know which was best. But they said that what happens is that one of the strains will just cut thru the haze and basically say hello, like it pushes the others aside and introduces itself. They said this is what the winners do. well it never happened to me so at the time I did not get it,,,,until last night

I have not smoked any tilders for about a month, had so many different strains being given to me to taste (sample) that I figured I'd save tilders for a rainy day (as I was down to about a gram of her left) Last night I smoked a bowl of Grand Daddy Purp (which is real good by the way) and I was happily baked just chillin and watching tv. it was the last of the GDP so I decided to fill the bowl with Tilders

Took one hit and wham like a slap in the face she pushed that purp high aside and said hello to me, it was an awesome experience and I realized what those cup judges were talking about and why tilders had once won the cup. After over 40 years of smokin I got to finally experience what a really great strain can do and better yet was knowing what had happened based on watching that movie.

with this last order I got 6 cup winning strains so I can hardly wait to have it happen again and I hope that all of you that read this thread get to experience for yourselves cause it is awesome!
 

Murfy

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WOW-

that's all i can say right now, i will have to re-read alot of this, these are certainly ADVANCED thoughts, and contradictory enough to make MY head spin, let alone a NooB with no chem or math background (luckily i am experienced with both, but don't use much of my chem schooling, being a carpenter-i got the first a+ the prof at uofm flint gave in 17 years)

i will certainly examine this info in the bright light

and i must say, kudos, riddleme, it's not often that people actually do research outside of anecdotal or forum chit-chat, you have certainly taken it to another level, :), my kinda guy


i do have a few questions, and have to admit i haven't yet begun the noob advice thread, so i apologize if it's been covered

1: firstly how do you handle the run off from the rain, i didn't construct my room with a watertight floor, although it could be easily changed by adding a piece of film on the floor and up the wall a bit, i am in no condition to move the plants outside every few days though, and would like to here what yourself and other s do to accommodate this

2: i have a sealed room and no ventilation yet(it was roughed in to the design, ie filters, boxes, etc, but no fans , holes, or ducting yet) i could see all this transpiration makin a rain forest inside, my room is 8 x 8 x 6.75 tall, how much de-humidifier would i need?!!!, 100 pints a day maybe, need to do some calcs on this, as i don't have one yet

riddleme has stimulated my synapses, thanks man
 

ElectricPineapple

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ok, a couple of things. i get all of the biology and microbiology of that harvesting posts, ATP, NADH, all of that good stuff. but what are you indicating? that curing does what we want it to? also, im in soil, so basically i want to over water instead of flushing the last week or so? i think i would have to submerge my roots may just put it in a bucket for a few days with no holes in the bottom and fill up till i see water to stop the oxygen from getting to the roots. also, what do you do to increase potency in the harvesting and curing part? also wouldnt leaving the trim leaves during curing and putting CO2 by breathing into the jars increase fermentation? you have N from the trim leaves that can be cut after a week of curing.
 

riddleme

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WOW-

that's all i can say right now, i will have to re-read alot of this, these are certainly ADVANCED thoughts, and contradictory enough to make MY head spin, let alone a NooB with no chem or math background (luckily i am experienced with both, but don't use much of my chem schooling, being a carpenter-i got the first a+ the prof at uofm flint gave in 17 years)

i will certainly examine this info in the bright light

and i must say, kudos, riddleme, it's not often that people actually do research outside of anecdotal or forum chit-chat, you have certainly taken it to another level, :), my kinda guy


i do have a few questions, and have to admit i haven't yet begun the noob advice thread, so i apologize if it's been covered

1: firstly how do you handle the run off from the rain, i didn't construct my room with a watertight floor, although it could be easily changed by adding a piece of film on the floor and up the wall a bit, i am in no condition to move the plants outside every few days though, and would like to here what yourself and other s do to accommodate this

2: i have a sealed room and no ventilation yet(it was roughed in to the design, ie filters, boxes, etc, but no fans , holes, or ducting yet) i could see all this transpiration makin a rain forest inside, my room is 8 x 8 x 6.75 tall, how much de-humidifier would i need?!!!, 100 pints a day maybe, need to do some calcs on this, as i don't have one yet

riddleme has stimulated my synapses, thanks man
Currently I just put the plants in the kitchen sink or in the shower but since I am buying a new house (soon) I am thinking about building a grow table that will be a flood & drain table so I don't have to move them and as a tip construction grade trash bags from Home Depot are great for making water traps


As for ventalation, my advice is that you should if at all possible be venting your garden outside the house if not possible then yes a de-humidifier might be needed but if you can vent to outside you can control humidity with mere fan speed, and yes we talked about how to easily gauge ventelation in the noob advice thread

I don't do sealed, I have an open room garden and I don't grow strains that stink, IMO breeding MJ for it's skunk phenos was wrong as this is how the plant defends itself against preditors so if I smell skunk in my garden I know something is wrong and I like it that way
 

riddleme

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ok, a couple of things. i get all of the biology and microbiology of that harvesting posts, ATP, NADH, all of that good stuff. but what are you indicating? that curing does what we want it to? also, im in soil, so basically i want to over water instead of flushing the last week or so? i think i would have to submerge my roots may just put it in a bucket for a few days with no holes in the bottom and fill up till i see water to stop the oxygen from getting to the roots. also, what do you do to increase potency in the harvesting and curing part? also wouldnt leaving the trim leaves during curing and putting CO2 by breathing into the jars increase fermentation? you have N from the trim leaves that can be cut after a week of curing.
I am all about quality and medical, I have no interest in commercial production, therefore I do not chop early and I allow my curing process to go VERY slow all of the known, popular ways of curing are based on speeding the process up to turn a faster profit, they say let it dry for 7 days and I say let it dry for 3 to 6 weeks, you control this via temp & humidity and it is VERY IMPORTANT that you check for mold often (I think this is the 2nd reason for speeding things up, folks are naturally lazy)

I learned a lot of my tricks from you guessed it an old hippie farmer his shit sold for $100 a gram over 20 years ago, those grams used to last me a month as literaly a pinch (1 hit) would put me down for 6 hours

You want to leave all the leafs on, you want it to hang dry untill the leafs change color (green goes away) once this happens you can trim and jar em, it is this change in color occuring that lets you know proper curing (fermentation) is taking place, the drowning to start this process while alive assures it has started and will continue once you chop and that remaining nutes in the plant will be used up in this process
 

Murfy

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the reason i did sealed, is that i have exhausted my allocated budget for this project, and exceeded it some due to some change work orders-

so the wifey says realize some profit (in the form of savings, if nothing else), before spending anymore, and the area i'm in is full of questionable types, no filters=smelly=enquiring minds want to know. and this strain, paralyzer, is basically the same as cheese, and is stinky
i do have an old neon "open" sign and probably will try to build a corona generator, to place inside my exhaust mixing box, (i did build all this in, just in case), but for know the 2 months it took me to build the room is taking a toll on me, especially with no meds, and i'm gonna give myself a week or so off to make sure the setup thus far is running smoothly, before i take on any more variables

the rroom is already at 100% during lights off, and last night i ran the con on low, with all fans goin, and it was at about 85%@69*, so i will need to do something within the next week, all the girls are showing, so buds will come soon

today i will have to designate an assigned seating chart, and tie them down a little, as they got to big waiting for the room and 4 days into flower are stretching and filling in like crazy

as far as the def i am having, i talked to some others and think i need some lime, i didn't add any when mixing up, and think i'm probably acidic, (promix, bx), and i probably need a little calcium as well, so i will make it rain today, and see how it goes, also gettin my water checked today, so that should be a tell also

check my journal later for pics
 
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