Attention Atheist

[OregonMeds]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]"A rock thrown into a pond causes a ripple that moves out from the central point of impact. In a way, then, the ripples as they move farther out can be compared to "second hand knowledge." Religions of any types, with their dogma and creeds and checklists of belief, live on the ripples and not at the center."

thats something from a website ive been reading up on. science still doesn't have all the answers. hell they cant even plug a damn hole at the bottom of the ocean.
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Ok science can't plug the hole at the bottom of the ocean, sure, apparently neither can "god" or the millions praying to "him" to stop it.
Must be that not a single one of you is worthy of getting your prayers answered? Or god just hasn't killed enough wildlife lately?

Pray fucking harder damnit!

 

[afrawfraw]

Well i wouldnt say that. There are many atheist intellectuals out there, but they just chose the secular road and are misguided. Im sure some of them still think about heaven and hell and thats normal because our consciousness is a gift from God. "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding" Proverbs 3:5

Btw, i am not religious

Define Religious, because you JUST said God. Then you said Atheists are misguided. And for the grand finale, you quoted a Proverb!!!

Sounds Religious to me...

 

[afrawfraw]

lol as i read more and more, i feel like this isnt really a debate or exchange but more like a "who can kick harder" comp.

afrawfraw i feel like a lil mouse thats shy to cough up another word or even present/reply to what i was going to initially, i think im going to drop out of this thread all together .
though im not gona lie, iv found even more meaning and depth into my belief because of it. hehe.

time to go to gym, ill try and return.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I was waiting for your post. I do lash out when people post truly IGNORANT RANTINGS, but found you to be respectful, if nothing else.

When I stomp on inaccurate information, it is to prevent it from spilling out into other posts...Not to appear superior or be mean.

 

[afrawfraw]

MindPhuk, not to start shit or anything, but I fully believe L-I-F-E in our solar system is random and at the mercy of the universe. We are here because it is possible.

I saw you comment that no one thinks the Universe is accidental. I do. 15 Billion years and we're it? If some thing IS behind the universe, we're probably a piece of moldy bread under someones bed. Humans have been around for 200,000 years (Give or take), and we've already created unique life. So is the creator of the universe "Special"? Or did some ALIEN race use our planet for a DUMPSTER and we're the rotting garbage?

I think the answer is a little more boring...

Respect...

I understand this is a point which can't be proven on either side, but I do believe we're just like ALL other life in this universe, thriving where and when we can...

 

[Babs34]

Define Religious, because you JUST said God. Then you said Atheists are misguided. And for the grand finale, you quoted a Proverb!!!

Sounds Religious to me...

The Bible in and of itself is not a religion. What stems from the writings bring forth many "religions." There are some of us who do not choose to attach ourselves to taught ideologies via religion......
Quoting proverbs to come across with a point does not make you "religious."

 

[Babs34]

Ok science can't plug the hole at the bottom of the ocean, sure, apparently neither can "god" or the millions praying to "him" to stop it.
Must be that not a single one of you is worthy of getting your pra
yers answered? Or god just hasn't killed enough wildlife lately?

Pray fucking harder damnit!

I have prayers answered every day in one way or another Oregon. It's mankind killing wildlife......and it's mankind creating disease.

 

[mindphuk]

Ok science can't plug the hole at the bottom of the ocean, sure, apparently neither can "god" or the millions praying to "him" to stop it.
Must be that not a single one of you is worthy of getting your prayers answered? Or god just hasn't killed enough wildlife lately?

Pray fucking harder damnit!

You know the fact that never crossed my mind as ironic tells me marijuana kills brain cells because that should be the obvious answer to such a ridiculous question. The interesting thing is I don't know any colleague that thinks for sure we'll find a solution. Scientists aren't as arrogant as many people try to make them out to be.
Science has always recognized man has always been subject to the whims of nature. There is never a question that if we are wiped from the face of existence it very will could be by a random act of nature. We don't even have dominion over the smallest forms of life yet people tend to think of us as advanced but we are no more advanced that other forms of life that have their niches. Except for a few living fossils, most of the life we see today is the result of just as much evolution, just as evolved, as we. Modern animals are more modern then the ones around when we became nomadic crossing the savannas.

 

[afrawfraw]

The Bible in and of itself is not a religion. What stems from the writings bring forth many "religions." There are some of us who do not choose to attach ourselves to taught ideologies via religion......
Quoting proverbs to come across with a point does not make you "religious."

Religion Defined: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.

Do you believe this or not?

I understand what you are saying.

How about this! You're not "Religious" because you are not a part of an organized religion. You just adopted "Religious" texts and Ideas.

Religious defined: having or showing belief in and reverence for a deity; "a religious man"; "religious attitude"

Do you Adopt the Lord GOD as your deity as he is defined in the Holy Bible?

And quoting proverbs ALONE, does not make you religious. But quoting them to support your views IS religious. No?

 

[afrawfraw]

you know the fact that never crossed my mind as ironic tells me marijuana kills brain cells because that should be the obvious answer to such a ridiculous question. The interesting thing is i don't know any colleague that thinks for sure we'll find a solution. Scientists aren't as arrogant as many people try to make them out to be.
Science has always recognized man has always been subject to the whims of nature. There is never a question that if we are wiped from the face of existence it very will could be by a random act of nature. We don't even have dominion over the smallest forms of life yet people tend to think of us as advanced but we are no more advanced that other forms of life that have their niches. Except for a few living fossils, most of the life we see today is the result of just as much evolution, just as evolved, as we. Modern animals are more modern then the ones around when we became nomadic crossing the savannas.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

 

[afrawfraw]

......and it's mankind creating disease.

UUUUHHHHH...

Mankind has created one form of Bacterial strain...

Our technology is perpetuating disease by poor eating habits among other things...

But creating disease?

Am I being over analytical? I AM dry...

 

[Babs34]

Religion Defined: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.

Do you believe this or not?

I understand what you are saying.

How about this! You're not "Religious" because you are not a part of an organized religion. You just adopted "Religious" texts and Ideas.

Religious defined: having or showing belief in and reverence for a deity; "a religious man"; "religious attitude"

Do you Adopt the Lord GOD as your deity as he is defined in the Holy Bible?

And quoting proverbs ALONE, does not make you religious. But quoting them to support your views IS religious. No?

I said this only a few posts back---I believe the Bible to be the hand written word of man's greedy intuition, where some ideologies have been misplaced, while others simply held in disregard or contempt.

There are many definitions of religion:
1 a. 1 athe state of a religious - a nun in her 20th year of ∼b (1). b (1)the service and worship of God or the supernatural(2). (2)commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2. 2a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3. 3archaicscrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4. 4a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Afrawfraw, I am not "religous" because I do not lean unto my own understanding....or those either dictated or taught via "religous orgnaization."


I do not take the Bible as a literal, "as is," step by step guide to life. I believe there is an allowance of human choices/mistakes and that God has made this deliberately so with purpose....and REASON.

 

[Babs34]

...just one quick thing that comes to mind, the list is endless.
Diseases Caused by Mercury

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mercury is one of the most toxic elements on earth. It is linked to many of the most degenerative and horrible diseases known to man. It is unfortunate that these diseases are virtually all iatrogenic - diseases caused by inappropriate medical / dental treatment.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mercury is one of the deadliest toxins known to man. Its toxicity may well prove to be the most invasive and widespread disease in the history of mankind. Mercury poisoning causes many common medical and mental problems including but definitely not limited to:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· generalized morning stiffness [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· joint pain[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· rheumatoid arthritis [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· mixed connective tissue disease[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· skin rashes[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· subcutaneous nodules (skin bumps)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· multiple sclerosis [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· amyotropic lateral sclerosis [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· neurological symptoms [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· ringing in the ears[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· burning and numbness sensations[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· dry eyes and mouth[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· immune dysfunction[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· axillary lymph node swelling[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· digestive disorders[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· malnutrition[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· leaky gut syndrome[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· dysbiosis[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· yeast and pathogenic bacteria infections[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· chronic fatigue[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· depression[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· circulatory diseases[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]· atherosclerosis[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]and the list goes on and on. [/FONT]
Diseases Caused by Mercury

 

[mindphuk]

MindPhuk, not to start shit or anything, but I fully believe L-I-F-E in our solar system is random and at the mercy of the universe. We are here because it is possible.

I saw you comment that no one thinks the Universe is accidental. I do. 15 Billion years and we're it?

I guess I think of accidental as something that can be avoided. We don't know how or what is necessary for the creation of life or the universe for that matter. Even though we know that life doesn't exist elsewhere in our solar system, it still is possible that it is a relatively common occurrence but it also may be likely that life DOES only exist only one place in the entire universe. If that were the case then I would certainly agree that it is an accident that life happened.

If OTOH, you mean accident merely as a synonym for random, then of course, yes, life is 'accidental.' But everything in the universe is subject to random forces, so if anything random is also accidental, then the term looses its meaning. Looking at it as humans as some sort of end-point as the religious people do, then yes we are certainly an accident because we, specifically have a very high improbability to exist. So I'm sure I agree with you and our division was purely semantics. Maybe I should choose my words better.

 

[mindphuk]

...just one quick thing that comes to mind, the list is endless.
Diseases Caused by Mercury

Yes because spiritofhealing.com is such a respected source of medical information.

 

[Babs34]

I guess I think of accidental as something that can be avoided. We don't know how or what is necessary for the creation of life or the universe for that matter. Even though we know that life doesn't exist elsewhere in our solar system, it still is possible that it is a relatively common occurrence but it also may be likely that life DOES only exist only one place in the entire universe. If that were the case then I would certainly agree that it is an accident that life happened.

If OTOH, you mean accident merely as a synonym for random, then of course, yes, life is 'accidental.' But everything in the universe is subject to random forces, so if anything random is also accidental, then the term looses its meaning. Looking at it as humans as some sort of end-point as the religious people do, then yes we are certainly an accident because we, specifically have a very high improbability to exist. So I'm sure I agree with you and our division was purely semantics. Maybe I should choose my words better.

Aids could have been avoided, but it was CREATED.....but that's just a bunch of nonsense too, eh?
Look, you play yourself off as the scientist of the evening, but you are anything but.
So, not "factually" knowing other universes exist in and of itself......SOLELY because it is not "common" indicates fact?
Are you REALLY so certain that "we" don't know that life exists beyond this universe? You see "Mindfuck".......you fuck with YOUR OWN mind, and whoever else will entertain your novel ideas. You place a line.......that is SO NOT SCIENCE.
Maybe, just "maybe" you SHOULD better choose words when entertaining us with your "expertise."

According to your insane logic, should life exist beyond what we know it to, then of course, "naturally"......a God does not exist.-----as if a creator should be DEFINED by your meager existence.
Pfft......your science SUCKS.

 

[Babs34]

BTW "genius".....each and every time I am injected with the crap, I THROW UP........gee, wonder why.

 

[mindphuk]

Aids could have been avoided, but it was CREATED.....but that's just a bunch of nonsense too, eh?

Yes it is. You have exactly zero evidence that HIV was created by man. I have a lot of evidence that, like other retroviruses that can cross species barrier, it came from another primate species.

Look, you play yourself off as the scientist of the evening, but you are anything but.
So, not "factually" knowing other universes exist in and of itself......SOLELY because it is not "common" indicates fact?
Are you REALLY so certain that "we" don't know that life exists beyond this universe? You see "Mindfuck".......you fuck with YOUR OWN mind, and whoever else will entertain your novel ideas. You place a line.......that is SO NOT SCIENCE.
Maybe, just "maybe" you SHOULD better choose words when entertaining us with your "expertise."

According to your insane logic, should life exist beyond what we know it to, then of course, "naturally"......a God does not exist.-----as if a creator should be DEFINED by your meager existence.
Pfft......your science SUCKS.

Where did I say that anything about other universes being fact or not? I clearly said that it is an area science cannot know. We can only speculate but there is no reason to automatically assume that universes cannot just spring into existence spontaneously. M-theory indicates that universes may be a product of two branes colliding, something that might happen all of the time. However, without evidence, this is unsupported conjecture. We know of only one universe in existence and that is the most we can say about it. We cannot say it is common or uncommon.

Nothing I said implies that a god cannot exist. In fact, I never mentioned god in my comments. You appear to be extrapolating things I never said. I guess just more of your insane ramblings.

 

[Babs34]

The FDA released a memo on gadolinium based contrast agents this past November. They warned that GBCAs provided by Covidien, GE Healthcare, and Bayer are more hazardous than others. But the memo also mentioned that the FDA would consider recommending blanket label warnings rather than pointing out specific brands.

Imaging Dyes More Dangerous than MRIs | Pdazzler

 

[Babs34]

Yes it is. You have exactly zero evidence that HIV was created by man. I have a lot of evidence that, like other retroviruses that can cross species barrier, it came from another primate species.
Where did I say that anything about other universes being fact or not? I clearly said that it is an area science cannot know. We can only speculate but there is no reason to automatically assume that universes cannot just spring into existence spontaneously. M-theory indicates that universes may be a product of two branes colliding, something that might happen all of the time. However, without evidence, this is unsupported conjecture. We know of only one universe in existence and that is the most we can say about it. We cannot say it is common or uncommon.

Nothing I said implies that a god cannot exist. In fact, I never mentioned god in my comments. You appear to be extrapolating things I never said. I guess just more of your insane ramblings.

And they can not "spontaneously" jump into existence simply because it is the will of something much larger than you, or I, or a collective human race?
That is ALL that science will ever be able to do is to speculate. For every new found discovery, God throws a larger image.
Attempt to see it.
Insanity = leaning unto your OWN understanding....not good enough, never will be.

 

[Babs34]

........I don't fall for the gay man screwing apes theory and bringing it here..........umm, hello, wake up call.
Why do you?