Babs34
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Yes, religion will be the fall of mankind, yet it was foretold...VIA the Bible.
...oh, and there is darkness where we all stray in this day and age.
In communicating with atheists, I can't help but get this sense they really feel mankind will reach that point where they disprove God. It appears plenty live for the day.
....sorry, that day's not coming.
Life just gets harsher from here with that mentality.......mark it.
TrippyReefer
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Im not judging anyone, but people do feel the need to criticize others with beliefs that contradict their own. I personally stopped giving a crap about others when i started toking but there comes a point where you reach a level of maturity where you wish to bring others closer to God and disregard their negativity. Forcing people into it is making yourself just as bad as evil itself because you will have the opposite reaction. But believers should have a desire to show people the light and let them see for themselves what they think is right.
TrippyReefer
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And maybe someday it'll tear their insides, knowing something is terribly wrong...
legalizeitcanada
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Every religion is MAN MADE!!!!!!!!!
afrawfraw
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Padawanbater2
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For the ten millionth time, you have to prove it first.
I don't give a damn what people believe, you do. The only thing I care about is whether their beliefs change or alter my life in any way. If they do, I have the right to ask questions and criticize them. If they don't, believe people are products of magic men made of mud for all I care.
That sounds pretty reasonable to me, I really don't see why anyone would disagree with it...
afrawfraw
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I understand completely! My position is we're walking through a forest with a lantern. I cannot 100% or 1% know what is beyond the lights reach. If you start believing what others THINK is beyond the lights reach, you'll run right into a tree because you weren't watching where you were going
I rely on science because it has no side other than the truth. EVERY ONE participates in science. Christians, Muslims, Everyone! So it is a collection of ideas which has been concieved by every faith, tested by every faith, and agreed upon by every faith... "Oh my!"
You are the first person to acknowledge how difficult it is to BE an Atheist...Thank you.
afrawfraw
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afrawfraw
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To be clear, I do not "Hate" religions. I agree that most religions (try to) teach humility, honor, Etc. And I don't view you as misguided or stupid because you believe in a deity, I was just trying to understand your point of view, and disagreed on the definition of Religious, because the Bible is way religious, and following it's principles BECAUSE they are in the Bible is religious! Being good because it's in your heart makes you a beautiful human being.Doberman---That is the healthy alternative (at least some of the time).
I was just trying to say earlier that within the Bible, there is wisdom to be found. Taking from it what is spiritually acquired is not so religious after all, but that is nearly impossible to convey with words to those who are adamantly more determined to rely on the physical senses as their guiding salvation, or rather, their road to truth.
You can learn from the atheist scientist, just as you can learn from the spiritual scientist.
"Nature cures, not the physician...let your food be your medicine." Hippocrates
"The doctor of the future will dispense no drugs, but will interest his patients in prevention." Thomas Edison
"Every nation practicing western medicine is on the brink of bankruptcy" (author unknown)
"Babylon is fallen...for by her sorceries [pharmakeia is the Greek word] were all nations deceived" Revelation 18:2,23
TrippyReefer
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Definitely agreed!
Correct me if im wrong, but this is what i know. Judiasm was technically started with Abraham but the scriptures written by Moses and the prophets started the whole "religious" thing. Before it started getting all screwy, it was good ole Godliness. Then people split off and traveled to make different tribes and they began to think their own way. Then there were Babylonians, Hittites, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Mayans, Incans, etc... Even though these cultures were smart, they all had a perverted idea of God and so they dug themselves a grave leading to hell. Plenty of people came along preaching their idea in more recent centuries. Buddha made Buddhism, Muhammad made Islam, L. Ron Hubbard made Scientology, bunch of others i dont care to know and one day theres gonna be some false one world religion "uniting" everyone. But what makes Jesus different? He was God in the flesh, but unbelievers can say whatever. If you care at all then read the bible and absorb its wisdom, just not one of them new age translations or whatever. Theres still plenty of religions disguising themselves as christian that are messed in ways, like Catholicism and Jehovah's witnesses or whatever. Oh and if anyone hasnt told you, politics and religion are the same thing. Government has their ways of brainwashing the masses so use your judgement wisely and follow your gut.
afrawfraw
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Hey Babs?
Perhaps mixing science with prayer helps you?
[email protected]
This address beams your prayer out into space so only GOD can read it.
With all respect. This is not a bash.
Perhaps mixing science with prayer helps you?
[email protected]
This address beams your prayer out into space so only GOD can read it.
With all respect. This is not a bash.
Keenly2
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the burden of proof lies on that who makes the claim, not on those who reject the claim
there is just no way around it
if i tell you im a talking unicorn, its not on you guys to prove im not a talking unicorn, its on me to prove that i exist
im seriously not gonna take some ones word for it, or the worst fucking cop out in religion today which is the stupid quote "all things are possible with god"
there is just no way around it
if i tell you im a talking unicorn, its not on you guys to prove im not a talking unicorn, its on me to prove that i exist
im seriously not gonna take some ones word for it, or the worst fucking cop out in religion today which is the stupid quote "all things are possible with god"
afrawfraw
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This is fun!
GOD's projectile vomiting of knowledge!!!
http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm
GOD's projectile vomiting of knowledge!!!
http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm
Leothwyn
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The thing is, christianity stole a bunch of its myths from older religions/mythologies. They just took someone else's beliefs, changed a few details and names, and called it their truth. It's always seemed strange to me that older myths are seen as silly superstitions... but make a few changes, gain enough power and popularity, and suddenly the same things are some magnificent truth from above.
TrippyReefer
Active Member
Well God wont just show himself to you... But you can play with a Ouija board or something. Surely if the presence of evil can be believed, then there must be good too?
TrippyReefer
Active Member
Christianity as we know it is pretty messed up, im not gonna lie. But when Jesus was preaching back in his day, if there were similarities to Judaism then your not making much of a point, sorry.
blazin256
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if youre referring to catholics when talking about christianity, then yes they are pretty messed up. it is they in my opinion what the bible is talking about as false prophets and they are to the core. they cant even follow half of the commandments (praying to mary, simon, peter, or wtf ever) excommunications, kneeling to the pope, i just feel everything they do is anti christian. so when talking about christians and thinking about catholics, i understand the beef. i dont care if you what you believe, worship, pay homage to, completely submit to, and i dont care if you go to church or not, all jesus preached was love, help, kindness, and yes prayer (or meditation) so how is any of that bad?
legalizeitcanada
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What religion stands for is hope, guidance, compassion and togetherness......what churches actually are is a totally different thing.......the story of the bible was written well before christ......research ancient civilizations and they're religious story and there are identical. go back even further and the story change from religious fiction to astrological fact. Christ dying and being resurrected is the shortest day of the the year, considered by ancient the day the sun dies, and the resurrection date 3 days later is when the day begin to grow longer again, actually there is an astrological occurrence for almost every significant date in the bible.....and other religious text for that matter........just think about it..........ancient people had only one thing to look at....the sky.....the sun was their god......theyre whole lives revolved around the changes of nature and fully understanding that was the upmost importance........IMHO most people are sheep and need to belive that there is a higher being that is watching and intervening.....I think that ludicrous.....no god would demand that you attend church or pay a percentage of your check to the church or mutilate your body or sacrifice your children and community members in his name.....ridiculous.....you don't think a being that advanced would have something better to do......he gave you a conscience.....use it!! I mean think about the roman catholic church.......the RICHEST organization on the planet.....could end all the world problems and still have tons of cash with the bankroll they have and what to they do........molest children......skirt the issue and stay rich........I just don't get it......... I think somewhere along somebody realized that this would be a good way to control the masses and started religion, stating to the followers that not abiding by his rules would send you to hell......EVERY religion is man made.......a majority of the killing on this planet is due to religion, both now and in the past.......once again IMHO people need to start smartening up and realize that mother nature is our so called god, and that we have a moral compass that should be our guide through life.....FUCK BP
Leothwyn
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No, that wasn't my point. There are some fundamental myths that get re-used many times, in many different myths/religions. Christianity is one of the newest mythologies to use these same old stories. Like I said, I think it's a bit odd that most people see older myths as silly superstition, but christianity plucked a bunch of stories from older religions, changed a few names/details... and now it's totally believable. It's the truth from god. Really what it boils down to is power and popularity... and random chance that you happen to be born where/when this particular religion is popular.
For example, the stories/myths of Mithra (who was being worshiped a couple of thousand years before jesus was even born):
- Mithra was sent by the father god down to earth to confirm his contract with man.
- Mithra was born of a virgin through - Immaculate Conception - He was born of Anahita, an immaculate virgin mother.
- Mithra was born in a stable.
- Mithra was visited by wise men bearing gifts.
- Mithra had 12 disciples.
- Mithra celebrated a last supper with his disciples before his death.
- Mithra was resurrected on a Sunday.
- Mithra ascended into heaven to rejoin his Father.
- Mithra will return to pass judgment on man - He was known as the judge of souls.
- On judgment day, the dead will arise and be judged by Mithra.
- Mithra will send sinners to HELL.
- Mithra will send the faithful to HEAVEN.
Sound familiar? These are stories from WAY before jesus. And many of these were taken up by other religions/mythologies.
How about krishna...
He also was born of a Virgin (Devaki) and in a Cave, and his birth announced by a Star. It was sought to destroy him, and for that purpose a massacre of infants was ordered. Everywhere he performed miracles, raising the dead, healing lepers, and the deaf and the blind, and championing the poor and oppressed. He had a beloved disciple, Arjuna, (cf. John) before whom he was transfigured. His death is differently related--as being shot by an arrow, or crucified on a tree. He descended into hell; and rose again from the dead, ascending into heaven in the sight of many people. He will return at the last day to be the judge of the quick and the dead.
The same stories were used by many other religions long before christianity came along, re-packaged them, and called them their truth.