Attention Atheist

[afrawfraw]

yea lets match, this shiz is crazy

Right on! Diesel would cry if he found out what happened to his invention!!! His engine design was ENGINEERED TO ACCEPT MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUEL!!! It is the perfect engine design for integrating renewable fuels into the economy, IMHO.

 

[NLNo5]

Interesting thing about this whole debate is if there is a god he's certainly not interested in our bs debate. If there isn't a god we are really wasting a lot of time with this debate. True believers have the ability to recognize the evidence of god in a less than perfectly rational way and they have realized god's evidence privately and internally. Atheists are rationalists so they don't believe in god because god can't be properly rationalized by the human being. The thing I noticed is that as a true believer I don't feel the need to proselytize my views on others, I'm content and I have serenity. But I did notice that atheism is quite heavily characterized by anti-god activism and the ones I've talked to seem to be pretty reactive to the manifestation of someone with faith in something that can't be mastered by rationalism. Atheists can walk in circles all day denying the created universe in the end the thing they think they know so certainly may bite them in the ass. No two atheists are the same and no two believers are the same. 7 billion different people on the planet asking questions and not getting any certain answers. No matter how you slice it everyone alive is exercising faith, hope and love at some magnitude. If you think those circumstances are some sort of random design-less evolutionary manifestation then you are truly naive in your own ego - or maybe not, who knows? One pillar, one mystery atheists will never be able to tackle is the un-caused cause. I tried being an atheist many times in my life and it just isn't survivable in my nature. I'm a natural born believer and it isn't ever going to change. I recon their are natural born atheists also. Go figure that one out. At the end of the day no body knows shit from shit so we might as well drop the concern and love each other while we still have time. LOL. PEACE.

Perhaps those who proselytize faith in god or faith in no god are the most faithless of them all and those who just keep their mouths shut are the ones with a true faith in their own essence.

 

[TrippyReefer]

Not only do I hug trees....i smoke em..Its hard to believe you hate religion as you say when you post shit like

and
.defense of evil you say???..you just posted that you hate.....I don't hate.....and i have read your posts 50% made me laugh my ass off the other made me stare blankly at the screen pondering to myself, WTF is this guy thinkin??? but I at least take that time to reflect what your position may be no matter how skewed it may be .....maybe I shouldn't have called ya a douche (for that I apologize) but your lack of knowledge of the subject you speak of makes YOU ingnorant....and without free thought it seems.....but man...whatever floats your boat....i'm not gunna hate you cause of it.....it takes all kinds to make the world what it is and I can respect that....I suppose that is natures law and why we just don't have one species of everything......and ya you may be right, maybe I'm not funny....but whada I care......to be honest I did find it kinda funny, it made me laugh....and Im sure many others! But honestly dude I'm not out to damage you,,,, I just read that shit and was like enuf is enuf....no offence!
I agree, Im cool if u are.

Hey man, think about what i said. I hate religion because religion is EVIL. I am not religious, but i am a spiritual person who doesnt go with the mainstream flow of thinking. And even if Jesus wasnt the son of God, then i think he is still the holiest, wisest man to have ever walked the planet and we could learn from his wisdom just as people learn from Gandhi or other spiritual figures. Cant we agree on that?
Btw, i know i seem a bit crazy but i was raised as a strict pentecostal and just HAD to throw out some controversy to see how people would respond, thanks for being a good sport. Also, i hate to see intellectuals waste their intellect on arguments and insults... But i love it when people come together in all of their differences and work to a common goal so sorry if i pissed anyone off and im glad to make anyone laugh LOL

 

[afrawfraw]

Interesting thing about this whole debate is if there is a god he's certainly not interested in our bs debate. If there isn't a god we are really wasting a lot of time with this debate. True believers have the ability to recognize the evidence of god in a less than perfectly rational way and they have realized god's evidence privately and internally. Atheists are rationalists so they don't believe in god because god can't be properly rationalized by the human being. The thing I noticed is that as a true believer I don't feel the need to proselytize my views on others, I'm content and I have serenity. But I did notice that atheism is quite heavily characterized by anti-god activism and the ones I've talked to seem to be pretty reactive to the manifestation of someone with faith in something that can't be mastered by rationalism. Atheists can walk in circles all day denying the created universe in the end the thing they think they know so certainly may bite them in the ass. No two atheists are the same and no two believers are the same. 7 billion different people on the planet asking questions and not getting any certain answers. No matter how you slice it everyone alive is exercising faith, hope and love at some magnitude. If you think those circumstances are some sort of random design-less evolutionary manifestation then you are truly naive in your own ego - or maybe not, who knows? One pillar, one mystery atheists will never be able to tackle is the un-caused cause. I tried being an atheist many times in my life and it just isn't survivable in my nature. I'm a natural born believer and it isn't ever going to change. I recon their are natural born atheists also. Go figure that one out. At the end of the day no body knows shit from shit so we might as well drop the concern and love each other while we still have time. LOL. PEACE.

Perhaps those who proselytize faith in god or faith in no god are the most faithless of them all and those who just keep their mouths shut are the ones with a true faith in their own essence.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[mindphuk]

But I did notice that atheism is quite heavily characterized by anti-god activism and the ones I've talked to seem to be pretty reactive to the manifestation of someone with faith in something that can't be mastered by rationalism.

The question you should be asking is why do atheists speak out at all. Atheism isn't characterized at all by activism, it is merely a "no" answer to a single question. However, you are correct that many atheist individuals have an anti-religious bent. Religion is a major force in the world that influences people's actions and inevitably affects others. If people kept their irrational beliefs to themselves, nobody would be complaining. We wouldn't have anti-scientific nonsense being pushed in schools. We wouldn't have Jihads and religious wars. We wouldn't have legislation being passed to restrict social freedoms and oppress different groups of people based on the words in an old book. There would be nothing to object to, so the atheist label wouldn't even need to exist. When else in life do you label someone based on what they DON'T believe in? We don't have labels for people who don't believe in Santa Claus, Leprechauns, pixies, etc..because so few people believe in those things, and of those who do, none of them act on their beliefs in a way that impacts others.

But if a group of people who worship the toothfairy started building walls of division between themselves and others..started teaching fairyism in schools instead of real science, and if they used laws to oppress those they claim the fairy doesn't like, and to restrict personal freedoms the fairy doesn't approve of, then they become a menace that is causing real harm to others. They become a hindrance to human liberty and societal progress. At that point they would need to be challenged, and the label "afairyist" would need to be invented. It would become necessary to label yourself as an afairyist to identify your opposition to these things...to identify the fact that you reject the beliefs of the fairy worshipers as unsubstantiated and irrational. The afairyist label is a response to militant fairyism, just as atheism is for theism. If people had a live and let live attitude regarding belief in god/gods in the first place, there would have been no need for the term "atheism" to be used as an identifier..and there would certainly be far less interest in the subject.

 

[mindphuk]

Hey man, think about what i said. I hate religion because religion is EVIL. I am not religious, but i am a spiritual person who doesnt go with the mainstream flow of thinking. And even if Jesus wasnt the son of God, then i think he is still the holiest, wisest man to have ever walked the planet and we could learn from his wisdom just as people learn from Gandhi or other spiritual figures. Cant we agree on that?
Btw, i know i seem a bit crazy but i was raised as a strict pentecostal and just HAD to throw out some controversy to see how people would respond, thanks for being a good sport. Also, i hate to see intellectuals waste their intellect on arguments and insults... But i love it when people come together in all of their differences and work to a common goal so sorry if i pissed anyone off and im glad to make anyone laugh LOL

What is your definition of 'religion?'
You appear to be making the mistake that religion must be affiliated with a specific organization or church. You can be a theist an not religious but if you are a specific theist, that is, belief and worship of a specific deity and accept certain claims in a specific holy book, then you are probably religious.

Babs is an example of a theist that is possibly not religious. However, if I'm not mistaken, you have referred to specifics in the Christian bible and speak of Jesus Christ, which makes you a Christian and that is a religion.

A simple definition of religion is not appropriate. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in the article on religion, lists some characteristics of religions rather than simply declaring religion to be one thing or another. The more markers that are present in a belief system, the more “religious-like” it is; below is a slightly modified version of it:

• Belief in something sacred (for example, gods or other supernatural beings).
• A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
• Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
• A moral code believed to have a sacred or supernatural basis.
• Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual.
• Prayer and other forms of communication with the supernatural.
• A world view, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This picture contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
• A more or less total organization of one’s life based on the world view.
• A social group bound together by the above.

 

[Babs34]

Interesting thing about this whole debate is if there is a god he's certainly not interested in our bs debate.

...exactly

 

[afrawfraw]

The question you should be asking is why do atheists speak out at all. Atheism isn't characterized at all by activism, it is merely a "no" answer to a single question. However, you are correct that many atheist individuals have an anti-religious bent. Religion is a major force in the world that influences people's actions and inevitably affects others. If people kept their irrational beliefs to themselves, nobody would be complaining. We wouldn't have anti-scientific nonsense being pushed in schools. We wouldn't have Jihads and religious wars. We wouldn't have legislation being passed to restrict social freedoms and oppress different groups of people based on the words in an old book. There would be nothing to object to, so the atheist label wouldn't even need to exist. When else in life do you label someone based on what they DON'T believe in? We don't have labels for people who don't believe in Santa Claus, Leprechauns, pixies, etc..because so few people believe in those things, and of those who do, none of them act on their beliefs in a way that impacts others.

But if a group of people who worship the toothfairy started building walls of division between themselves and others..started teaching fairyism in schools instead of real science, and if they used laws to oppress those they claim the fairy doesn't like, and to restrict personal freedoms the fairy doesn't approve of, then they become a menace that is causing real harm to others. They become a hindrance to human liberty and societal progress. At that point they would need to be challenged, and the label "afairyist" would need to be invented. It would become necessary to label yourself as an afairyist to identify your opposition to these things...to identify the fact that you reject the beliefs of the fairy worshipers as unsubstantiated and irrational. The afairyist label is a response to militant fairyism, just as atheism is for theism. If people had a live and let live attitude regarding belief in god/gods in the first place, there would have been no need for the term "atheism" to be used as an identifier..and there would certainly be far less interest in the subject.

Very well put...

 

[TrippyReefer]

What is your definition of 'religion?'
You appear to be making the mistake that religion must be affiliated with a specific organization or church. You can be a theist an not religious but if you are a specific theist, that is, belief and worship of a specific deity and accept certain claims in a specific holy book, then you are probably religious.

Babs is an example of a theist that is possibly not religious. However, if I'm not mistaken, you have referred to specifics in the Christian bible and speak of Jesus Christ, which makes you a Christian and that is a religion.

A simple definition of religion is not appropriate. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in the article on religion, lists some characteristics of religions rather than simply declaring religion to be one thing or another. The more markers that are present in a belief system, the more “religious-like” it is; below is a slightly modified version of it:

• Belief in something sacred (for example, gods or other supernatural beings).
• A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
• Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
• A moral code believed to have a sacred or supernatural basis.
• Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual.
• Prayer and other forms of communication with the supernatural.
• A world view, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This picture contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
• A more or less total organization of one’s life based on the world view.
• A social group bound together by the above.

My definition of Religion is a false title page on a book littered with lies and misdeeds.
Thats why i will not apply myself to these "labels" and just say im a man on a search for the truth in this crazy fucking world. I really dont get peoples criticisms where there shouldnt be any. Let people believe what they want and just think theyre wrong. It wont hurt you to just sit there and rant, why the long paragraphs. Trying to deface God everywhere you go? Do you really have some kind of agenda or you just hate christians? Wow, i tried passing the peace pipe but here we go again... Btw you may think you're smart and you probably are, but is what i want you to remember me by...
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[Padawanbater2]

Think about it TR, nobody is oppressing atheists? I'd totally argue with that statement. Atheists are oppressed all over the world in many different ways. Some places even execute you for being an atheist. Where I live people STILL give me weird looks when they find out I'm an atheist. Like it's so shocking or something! It carries a stigma. Not that I'm complaining about it really, I think it's just made me become a better person in a lot of ways. Talking to theists about religion over the years has taught me how to have patience and I've figured out better ways of communicating what I'm trying to say without bringing hostility into it. I've been at it for the better part of 4 years now, you know how many rational, level headed theists I've come across?... 1. So the problem is coming from the both sides, I'm sure you can agree on that.

 

[afrawfraw]

Think about it TR, nobody is oppressing atheists? I'd totally argue with that statement. Atheists are oppressed all over the world in many different ways. Some places even execute you for being an atheist. Where I live people STILL give me weird looks when they find out I'm an atheist. Like it's so shocking or something! It carries a stigma. Not that I'm complaining about it really, I think it's just made me become a better person in a lot of ways. Talking to theists about religion over the years has taught me how to have patience and I've figured out better ways of communicating what I'm trying to say without bringing hostility into it. I've been at it for the better part of 4 years now, you know how many rational, level headed theists I've come across?... 1. So the problem is coming from the both sides, I'm sure you can agree on that.

I know 2...

 

[blazin256]

Right on! Diesel would cry if he found out what happened to his invention!!! His engine design was ENGINEERED TO ACCEPT MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUEL!!! It is the perfect engine design for integrating renewable fuels into the economy, IMHO.

hell yea. if we had a better diesel car platform it would make things a lot easier. i think audi (or bmw possibly both) has a new car out that diesel powered and get like 40 mpg. and thats not hybrid either (i dont think). hybrids really arent the answer either, because what are you gonna do with that big lead acid or nimh battery, whatever they use, when it goes bad? landfill? more pollution?
and for the religion thing. some people see the inconsistencies of the whole thing. thats when they go the mystical route. but who cares, we could all be wrong for all we know.

 

[Padawanbater2]

hell yea. if we had a better diesel car platform it would make things a lot easier. i think audi (or bmw possibly both) has a new car out that diesel powered and get like 40 mpg. and thats not hybrid either (i dont think). hybrids really arent the answer either, because what are you gonna do with that big lead acid or nimh battery, whatever they use, when it goes bad? landfill? more pollution?
and for the religion thing. some people see the inconsistencies of the whole thing. thats when they go the mystical route. but who cares, we could all be wrong for all we know.

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There's a reason we're still sucking on big oils tit.

 

[blazin256]

holy SHIZA. ive seen others like that, but 100 miles on 4 oz's, thats dope. too bad the military has their dirty fingers in it. now it'll be 50 years before we see or hear something like this again.

 

[Padawanbater2]

holy SHIZA. ive seen others like that, but 100 miles on 4 oz's, thats dope. too bad the military has their dirty fingers in it. now it'll be 50 years before we see or hear something like this again.

They just cover the shit up if it's something useful that competes with the current super corporations that produce energy. It's bullshit. People think this shit doesn't even happen.

 

[Leothwyn]

But I did notice that atheism is quite heavily characterized by anti-god activism and the ones I've talked to seem to be pretty reactive to the manifestation of someone with faith in something that can't be mastered by rationalism.

I realize that mindphuk already gave a good response to this, but wanted to add: When was the last time you had atheists knocking on your door to try to convince you that they have the right answers? Have you heard of groups of atheist missionaries constantly going out to other countries to show others the errors of their ways? Sure, some atheists are activist in their beliefs, but they don't hold a candle to the bullying that christians do to get their shit out there.

 

[TrippyReefer]

I realize that mindphuk already gave a good response to this, but wanted to add: When was the last time you had atheists knocking on your door to try to convince you that they have the right answers? Have you heard of groups of atheist missionaries constantly going out to other countries to show others the errors of their ways? Sure, some atheists are activist in their beliefs, but they don't hold a candle to the bullying that christians do to get their shit out there.

Yea, and its so messed up. When the Jehovah's witnesses come to my house, ill tell them im Wicka and see their reactions lol

 

[mindphuk]

My definition of Religion is a false title page on a book littered with lies and misdeeds.

That's a definition?

Thats why i will not apply myself to these "labels" and just say im a man on a search for the truth in this crazy fucking world.

Oh, you're one of thooose people. Whether you apply a label to yourself is irrelevant to whether or not you are actually religious or not. Just saying you're not because you don't like the label is intellectually dishonest.

I really dont get peoples criticisms where there shouldnt be any. Let people believe what they want and just think theyre wrong. It wont hurt you to just sit there and rant, why the long paragraphs. Trying to deface God everywhere you go?

It must have been so long you didn't read it? I'm not defacing god anywhere. Do you deface Santa everywhere you go because of your lack of belief in him?

I have no beef with people that want to worship a god. I do have a problem with misinformation and distortion about the sciences, especially biology but I will defend the scientific process and attempt to counter disinformation when I see it.

Do you really have some kind of agenda or you just hate christians?

I do the same thing when it comes to any pseudoscience, not just religion.

Wow, i tried passing the peace pipe but here we go again...

My post was non-confrontational. I was just attempting to point out that you may have a mistaken idea of what entails religion. Many people think that only organized religious groups is religion. However, if you believe in the deification of Jesus, believe the stories that he came back from the dead after rotting in his tomb for 3 days, then you are Christian in all senses and realities whether you like that "label" or not. Claiming you aren't religious obfuscates the issue.

 

[TrippyReefer]

That's a definition?
Oh, you're one of thooose people. Whether you apply a label to yourself is irrelevant to whether or not you are actually religious or not. Just saying you're not because you don't like the label is intellectually dishonest.
It must have been so long you didn't read it? I'm not defacing god anywhere. Do you deface Santa everywhere you go because of your lack of belief in him?

I have no beef with people that want to worship a god. I do have a problem with misinformation and distortion about the sciences, especially biology but I will defend the scientific process and attempt to counter disinformation when I see it. I do the same thing when it comes to any pseudoscience, not just religion.

My post was non-confrontational. I was just attempting to point out that you may have a mistaken idea of what entails religion. Many people think that only organized religious groups is religion. However, if you believe in the deification of Jesus, believe the stories that he came back from the dead after rotting in his tomb for 3 days, then you are Christian in all senses and realities whether you like that "label" or not. Claiming you aren't religious obfuscates the issue.

You really stick a definition to every word dont you? Alright science guy, keep that latest edition of Websters in your pocket, never know when you're gonna need it lol

 

[mindphuk]

You really stick a definition to every word dont you? Alright science guy, keep that latest edition of Websters in your pocket, never know when you're gonna need it lol

No, you're right. Words are meaningless. You should have the right to make any word mean what you think it should.