Need help with ferts and nutes

[yomomma]

My plants are small....they are starting to form the third and forth true leaves (not counting the codyledons.)......they are in 3-4 gallon pots. I am using premier pro-mix soil with perlite and vermiculite. I bought "Jack's Classic" all purpose 20-20-20 with micronutriens water soluble plant feed and a bottle of superthrive.
The plant food recommends 1/2 teaspoon per gallon every other week or 1/4 teaspoon everytime I water.
The question is, How much plant food would you recommend per gallon and how much superthrive???
How often should I fertilize???
Also, If Im missing anything else benefitial that I might need then let me know.

 

[chronicle]

i would follow the bottle, but ive never heard of jacks classic. is that a weed nute or is it soething u got at walmart....20 20 20 is strong, those mean N - P - K. nitrogen, potash, and potassium. you want to feed it once a week or atleast give it water inbetween feedings. most people alternate with water/nutes as soon as the plants dry out and begin to slightly wilt. with my nutes, the bottles are usually 1.5-4-5 for pure blend pro bloom or 0-10-10 for kool bloom - which is chemmy. superthrive is good for transplanting and such, you can give it 1tbs/gal. you should invest in some liquid karma and pure blend pro, or atleast one of the various brands of weed nutrients, such as: advanced nutrients, botanicare, and a few from general hydroponics are good too such as diamond nectar. i like organic stuff, liquid karma is a great catalyst and you can use it for everything, including sprouts/clones/foliar feeding/veg/flower/transplanting

hope that helps!

 

[Wavels]

Jack's Classic is my preferred fertilizer! I LOVE this stuff
When the plants are seedlings feed them 1/8 of a teaspoon per gallon of water. (IMO, 3-4 gallon pots are way too big for small plants.)
In those large containers I would most definitely feed with each watering because it will take a long time for the soil to dry out.
Slowly increase the dose of ferts to 1/4 tsp pr gal or a little more with each feeding. Remember that less is more.
Ganja plants LOVE a wet/dry cycle, and in those large containers it is going to take a while for them to dry out.
I start seedlings in 16 ounce styro cups as these dry out much faster, so I can dial in their nutrient needs much more accurately.
IMO, Superthrive (in small dosage) will not hurt your plants but they certainly do not need it. I never noticed any advantage in using it!
I would not give them any at all. Sorry, but IMO that stuff is a waste of money.
Good luck!!

Jack's Classic is the finest brand of Fertilizer I have ever tried.(for soil grows)

 

[Wavels]

Chronicle, I do not wish to be a trouble maker or a wise ass, but I think in all sincerity that your plants will do even better if you simply switch to Jack's Classic.
I went thru a phase wherein I tried almost everything on the market, and I came to the realization that most additives or specialty ferts are simply a waste of money, Marijuana IMO; does not benefit one iota from so-called specialized nutes or additives.
My hunch is that if you try it you will like it!

Jacks is inexpensive and impressively effective!

Here is some info---

Jack's Classic "THE DYNAMIC DUO" Plant Food for outdoor and indoor plantings -- for better flowering and vegetative growth from J.R. Peters, Inc., Fertilizer Manufacturer

 

[chronicle]

Chronicle, I do not wish to be a trouble maker or a wise ass, but I think in all sincerity that your plants will do even better if you simply switch to Jack's Classic.
I went thru a phase wherein I tried almost everything on the market, and I came to the realization that most additives or specialty ferts are simply a waste of money, Marijuana IMO; does not benefit one iota from so-called specialized nutes or additives.
My hunch is that if you try it you will like it!

Jacks is inexpensive and impressively effective!

Here is some info---

Jack's Classic "THE DYNAMIC DUO" Plant Food for outdoor and indoor plantings -- for better flowering and vegetative growth from J.R. Peters, Inc., Fertilizer Manufacturer

it might be a good fert, but the nutes i use are proven to deliver the most potent dankness ever. i know there are ppl who say nutes are a waste, but in reality they really arent if you know what youre buying. you can lookup the stuff i listed, both are top notch and will result in FIRE weed. besides, 0 20 20 is very chemmy and im an organic grower with exception to a bottle of kool blooms which is 0 10 10. the nutes i use all serve a purpose, and regardless of what people say - there is a huge difference between using 1 bottle and using 5 bottles, and an even bigger difference at 10. i dont go buying and testing random crap, ive seen all the nutes i use and the results via 4 or 5 of my buddies grows. ive seen what using 3 bottles is like, ive seen 5, ive seen 10, ive even seen 1. theyre all great weed, but the more you give it - the better it will be. i dont really care about fdd's "its all bullshit" thread - he does outdoor and nutes them daily then flushes anyway, ive seen what weed is like with 1 or 2 bottles. genetics plays its part and so does organic nutes.

so yea, ive seen weed grown with 2 bottles and ive seen weed grown with 10 bottles. i go inbetween and i only buy what i need, i have 4 bottles + molasses and each one of them serves a purpose and each one results in lots of delicious growth. im sure jacks is a fine nute, but mine are equally good.

im sorry that you're generalizing an entire industry, just because there are alot of unnecessary nutes and scams doesnt mean that there arent ANY worthwhile nutrients. do you truly believe that botanicare, general hydroponics, dutch passions, advanced nutrients, and countless other brands produce such a vast array of nutes because it wont help the plant one iota? seriously bro, there are lots of unnecessary nutrients but there are also alot of necessary and HUGELY beneficial ones. it doesnt really matter if you dont agree, scientific evidence plus MY own observations via countless of my & my buddies grows say the nutes definately help. you can research pure blend pro and liquid karma if you want, also kool blooms..the more potash/potassium the better, plus there are such things as micro nutrients and various other amino acids and other things plants seriously like. do a side by side comparison with 5 bottles compared to 1, youll notice a huge difference in yield AND quality heh.

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[Wavels]

proven to deliver the most potent dankness ever. i

Proven by whom?
This is an absurdity, IMO!
You Sir are a victim of slick marketing and hype!

I have done what you describe which is how I came to my conclusion.
You are the one who has never "heard of Jacks", and yet you claim that your high priced nutes are better.
Interesting, no?

The money you have spent on needless additives and nutes would easily buy you another light.

I could not possibly disagree more strenuously!

Try it, what are you afraid of?

I do not mean to be adversarial, as we are all brothers of the bud.
I have been growing plants of all types for over forty years now...I have tried all sorts of magic potions. Jacks IS the best I have ever used on plants.
Happy New Year!
Wavels

 

[chronicle]

lol you're crazy and claiming a bunch of crazy shit, i spent $60 and believe me when i say itll make m yield increase alot more than a fuckin 8th. you sir, are retarded. there is no hype, its tons of brands aka companies that make $ for a REASON - you are saying THAT ALL THE COMPANIES ARE SCAMS. and when i say "proven" i mean ive seen for myself what the results are, compared to plants without those nutes.

funny how you chose that 1 line to go ape shit over while completely ignoring everything else which explained that 1 line. you clearly lack alot of knowledge for a grower of 40+ years - or rather, you seem extremely closed minded. you should realize that in those 40 years, alot has changed - and while you still may be the grumpy old man you've always been, that doesnt mean that 20+ reputable companies are scamming millions of ppl. you're wrong, deal with it. you're claiming all these companies make faulty products that are just hype: advanced nutrients, botanicare, foxfarm, general hydrponics, technoflora, earth juice, humbolt countys own, dutch master, b'cuzz, and about 10+ others which may infact be scammy - but i know foxfarm/gen hydro/botanicare/adv nute are all QUALITY nutrients. i dont care what you believe, neither do the ppl who use them. there are enough ppl on this site who use those nutrients and there is nothing wrong with it either, the plants do benefit whether you like it or not lol.

i realize ive made this point rather harshly, im sorry brother - im just tired of ppl generalizing the ENTIRE industry. just because a few products are trash doesnt mean its all trash. oh and as for that whole "nute $ to buy another light!" nonsense, the bottles are roughly $20 apiece and they will increase the yield by enough for me to go buy another light as well as new laptop to hassle you anti-nuters.

 

[Wavels]

You are a hapless victim of studies conducted by the very companies selling the overpriced ferts to you.
I just knew this would set you off like a skyrocket. You have been bamboozled! And you do not realize it yet!
You also seem to have a temper, and seem unable to disagree in a civil manner!
Calm down, you seem personally offended, and that is not my intent!

 

[chronicle]

lol its not a temper dude, im just really tired of ppl generalizing the entire industry like i just said. you are claiming 20+ companies, all of which are reputable, are infact scamming millions of ppl and im sick and tired of reading it. i did overreact but at the same time, im glad to make my point loud and clear.

you keep assuming and generalizing, you assumed i pay attention to the studies. the only studies i pay attention to are ones done by me and my friends. i already stated this, we're going in circles. you refuse to acknowledge the fact that you are claiming the entire industry is a sham, which it isnt. every single nute ive bought, ive seen results. NICE results, so dont tell me im being ripped off when you yourself are just closed minded and unable to see the truth.

you can believe what you want, but each nute i use works like a charm. you're the one who's bamboozled, you're just unable to open your mind to possibilities. you keep saying im a hapless victim but you couldnt be farther from the truth. it just frustrates me when i see this kind of ignorance. you refuse to even TRY some of the nutes, you just automatically throw it all in the big pile of scams. its absolutely retarded, lol saying 20+ companies are all making faulty unnecessary products is just a dumb thing to do man - why do you think these companies stay in business? lol i dont understand ppl like you, your logic makes NO sense and you back none of it up.

you just cant get it through your head; ive seen grows with 1 bottle, ive seen grows with 2 bottles, ive seen grows with 3 bottles, ive seen grows with 5 bottles, ive seen grows with 10 bottles okay? it gets better with the more you give it, unless youre giving it scammy ripoff bullshit which is what youre talking about. but to say all these companies with all their products are ALL ripoffs? youre wrong also closed minded. you should atleast try or research what *I* use before you say its bullshit.

please dont bother retorting to this, we're just gonna go in circles. if youre going to seriously believe ALL companies with ALL their products are ALL ripoff/bullshit, then that is you & your weeds problem, not mine. i dont want to hear about it.

 

[Wavels]

I know you do not want to hear about it, the truth can be a bitter pill, but it still remains the truth.
You have obviously not read my posts, in which I clearly stated that I have tried lots of specialty cannabis nutes...I guess you did not see this point.
It is quite possible to grow top quality buds without any of the stuff you mentioned. Most of the "cannabis" ferts and additives are way overpriced, and the companies manufacturing and promoting it maintain their juicy profit margins because of growers like you. The stuff will work fine; it simply cost way more than it is worth.
I am old,but I am not as grumpy or sensitive as you seem to be!

Amazing, considering the fact that you proclaimed that you have "never heard of Jacks", and yet you KNOW best????
Come on, butch up and try some cheap old Jacks...you will be my friend for life!

 

[chronicle]

I know you do not want to hear about it, the truth can be a bitter pill, but it still remains the truth.
You have obviously not read my posts, in which I clearly stated that I have tried lots of specialty cannabis nutes...I guess you did not see this point.
It is quite possible to grow top quality buds without any of the stuff you mentioned. Most of the "cannabis" ferts and additives are way overpriced, and the companies manufacturing and promoting it maintain their juicy profit margins because of growers like you. The stuff will work fine; it simply cost way more than it is worth.
I am old,but I am not as grumpy or sensitive as you seem to be!

Amazing, considering the fact that you proclaimed that you have "never heard of Jacks", and yet you KNOW best????
Come on, butch up and try some cheap old Jacks...you will be my friend for life!

i never said i knew the best, i said what i use works 100% regardless of whether or not you believe so. each time i add a nutrient (im at 4 and happy to stay there) i see huge results, you cant just say "you arent seeing results, its just a placebo lawlz". i said from the beginning you can grow dank high grade weed without more than your standard NPK, but it wont be as good as weed that was given several nutrients. nowhere near as good actually, if you get the right stuff then it will have a positive effect on the plant.

i already said, several times, you dont need 5 bottles to get good weed. read what i typed, i said using 5 bottles will increase yield/potency. which it does, because ive compared several upon several grows with using 1 bottle and then other grows with 5. each time i nute, the plants explode overnight. im happy to support botanicare and foxfarm, especially since foxfarm are a family run organic business and i love organics, jacks is about as chemmy as it gets.

once again, botanicare/gen hydro/adv nute are quality companies who make quality products. they boost the plant and seriously help production of resins and oils, i really dont think ALL of these companies with ALL of their products are useless - you have to pick and choose which ones are significant, i understand ALOT of them are bullshit. but if you would just acknowledge that alot of these products are SUPER beneficial then you'd be my friend for life too lol

 

[Wavels]

Yes, I admit that that I love chemicals, you got me on that, if you are anti chem don't try Jacks....I never said your stuff will not work...it will work fine!
However, since you have never tried Jacks how could you possibly KNOW that your nutes work better??

I gave up on organics years ago...I love my yummy chemicals because they make big fat gooey buds easier!

 

[chronicle]

yea im not anti chem, i use chems cus i know they make some gooeyness. i just only use 1 chem, but it works nice. ill check out some jacks, ill see if its at the local hydro store. i might try it on half the crop and compare the two, id be interested in seeing the results. maybe i can incorporate jacks into my nute supply.

 

[Wavels]

Oh, BTW, apologies to yomomma for hijacking and turning his thread into a debate thread!
I suspect however, that this thread may very well be of use to those trying to wade thru all of the confusion surrounding optimum fertilization technique and products.

Peace and Happy New Year to ALL!





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[RAS. GMONEY]

im usen pure blend pro grow right now an i got nut. burn on most my plants so i went bac to another hydro. store an dude said i needed to use cal/meg with it but ive been using ozark water for da past week to equal it out one has come to well but growth has been stuned an one of the others looks like its not gona make it

 

[FourTwenty47]

Any Comments about Bat Guano in a Tea form? (not for drinking!)

 

[conference]

i'm going to buy Jack's as a direct result of this thread, no joke. i'm holding you personally responsible if they fail!!!!! lol

 

[conference]

come on ladies, lets keep it together

 

[RAS. GMONEY]

i was using bat guano an i dont think i did it right but i do think it helped my plant start to flower though thin i got my bad case of nut. burn doing to much of a lil of this an that what ever u do stic with it

 

[FourTwenty47]

i would follow the bottle, but ive never heard of jacks classic. is that a weed nute or is it soething u got at walmart....20 20 20 is strong, those mean N - P - K. nitrogen, potash, and potassium. you want to feed it once a week or atleast give it water inbetween feedings. most people alternate with water/nutes as soon as the plants dry out and begin to slightly wilt. with my nutes, the bottles are usually 1.5-4-5 for pure blend pro bloom or 0-10-10 for kool bloom - which is chemmy. superthrive is good for transplanting and such, you can give it 1tbs/gal. you should invest in some liquid karma and pure blend pro, or atleast one of the various brands of weed nutrients, such as: advanced nutrients, botanicare, and a few from general hydroponics are good too such as diamond nectar. i like organic stuff, liquid karma is a great catalyst and you can use it for everything, including sprouts/clones/foliar feeding/veg/flower/transplanting

hope that helps!

I'm gonna try some of that Liquid Karma and see how it works. I ordered it yesterday.