When Will USA Fall?

When Will USA Fall?


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The Potologist

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Its funny you used the words "misguided" and "misinformed" before posting a bunch of stuff that could be described as both.

Just out of curiosity, what country do you call home?
well everyone is intitled to interpret everything on their own wisdom. Moreso, everyone is intitled to an opinion. I dont care to entertain your question, if you are going to attemp to bash( for a lack of better words at the moment) the country I reside in, it will make no difference, and is irrelevant to my postings.


However, if you care to know, the country I reside in is just as bad. I am not, nor have I, attempted to try to create a clause where I am stipulating one country is better than the next. Thats just as ignorrant as racism and discrimination. Its just the current crisis of this wonderful planet. Governments.

Peace, Love and Happiness
 

blazin256

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before the civil war there were free black men there. and guess what? if they were rich enough, they owned slaves. some owned even more the white slave owners. didn't seem to bother them too much either. and i dont kno what country you are in but im sure america either kicked its ass or helped prevent it from speaking german.
slaves weren't treated any worse then any other important farm animal at the time. a healthy slave is a productive one. wouldn't make much since to pay so much for a slave just the beat him/her into submission would it? slavery has existed in every country, stop knockin on america for it. the african kings didn't have to deal with the europeans, they did cause they could profit.
however i do agree out government has its finger in too many others kool aid. i want nothing more then for us to get out of the rest of the worlds affairs. but this will not happen till a one world government is achieved. good luck everybody
 

vertise

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Someone is clearly smoking way to much pot. Thought that was impossible but this thread shows its not. A little more reading and maybe some tutoring from a 3rd grader would help anyone that thinks the USA will be a third world country.
 

The Potologist

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before the civil war there were free black men there. and guess what? if they were rich enough, they owned slaves. some owned even more the white slave owners. didn't seem to bother them too much either. and i dont kno what country you are in but im sure america either kicked its ass or helped prevent it from speaking german.
slaves weren't treated any worse then any other important farm animal at the time. a healthy slave is a productive one. wouldn't make much since to pay so much for a slave just the beat him/her into submission would it? slavery has existed in every country, stop knockin on america for it. the african kings didn't have to deal with the europeans, they did cause they could profit.
however i do agree out government has its finger in too many others kool aid. i want nothing more then for us to get out of the rest of the worlds affairs. but this will not happen till a one world government is achieved. good luck everybody
Again, I reference you to my above posting where I note everyone is intitled to interrupt everything with their own wisdom. Moreso, everyone has a opinion. Only thing I wish to put out there is that Humans are not farm animals. There is no need to try to justify American History. It is what it is. Moreso, being proud of War/Violence(kicking any country or humans arse) is just ignorrant. Ive made it very clear from the start that I am not "knocking or bashing" america. I am just voicing blunt honesty...its going to be somewhat hurtful just based on the history of the facts and its such nature.

Not saying all of America is bad. There is many things, that many Civilized Governed Nations have done that are good while admist a history of confusion and mass chaos. Never once did I stipulate the country I reside in is "any better or any worse"...think that to be a tad ignorrant as well. Only reason America Stopped Germany from dominating the world is because that is Americas job and prospect ....If it aint I am having trouble understand why America is in the position it is in today. They do have alot of Global Domination, especially to the weak, poor, and uneducated countries in this world.

I kinda enjoy the thoughts of a "one world government". I wonder how feasible and beneficial that would be to the world. A very good thought and point! I will ponder on that one for a while.

Lastly, @ Vertise.....Dont forget everyone has a opinion. Moreso, dont forget history! No civilization has ruled the world for all of times. No country that has made it to a "1st world country" has stayed such. All empires fail and fall, its just a matter of time, history tells us so...But that is not something I would expect a 3rd grader to know. America might not make it or get the chance to become a third world country...shit a nuclear bomb or two and they could become rumble and give tribute to what many consider to be a Fake Empire.
NO, I hope I am not alive to see it, and I hope my kids kids kids kids are not on this earth to witness such destruction. Human life is what is important, not a all powerful inconsiderate country, IMO. ALSO, I really question if there is such a thing as smoking to much pot, maybe you just have'nt expanded your mind enough yourself.

Peace, Love and Happiness
 

vertise

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No empire falls to third world. They dismantle and become none existent or they just grow smaller but remain above third world status. Also it is not called America, America refers to north and south America. It is the United States of America, I learned that in 2nd grade. I do not know how one can call the U.S.A a fake empire. It truly is a dominant force. Just as Russia and China are. Also I do not know if you are refering to the U.S.A as inconsiderate but historically there are many many other countries that are abusive but still powerful. England is one that stands out the most. Britain historically is much worse the the United States of America could ever be . Expanding and killing people for their own benefit. They have killed in and owned Canada, Guiana, Ireland, Gibraltar, Minorca, Ionian Island, Malta, Egypt, heligoland, Cyprus, Sudan, Sierra Leone, Gold Coast, Nigeria, Uganda, Kenya, Tanganyika, Zanzibar, North and South Rhodesia, South West Africa, South Africa, Swaziland, Nyasaland, Bechuanaland, Mauritius, Seychelles, Ceylon, India, Burma, Malaya, Hong Kong, New Guinea, Solomon, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Aden, Palestine, New Zealand, Australia, and a few other places.

The U.S.A is just like any other country, we have our own reasons for the things we do. It is ignorant to think that we are the only world power that is self serving. Every Country tries to benefit itself via selfish acts. Many countries historicaly have allowed the U.S.A to do their dirty work for them. I ask where are you from potologist. What country are you from where your words of wisdom come off as stupidity. Truly you can answer this question and not be such a "Arse" which is a British word. I think you have expanded your mind to a place where reality does not exist.
 

CSI Stickyicky

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well everyone is intitled to interpret everything on their own wisdom. Moreso, everyone is intitled to an opinion. I dont care to entertain your question, if you are going to attemp to bash( for a lack of better words at the moment) the country I reside in, it will make no difference, and is irrelevant to my postings.


However, if you care to know, the country I reside in is just as bad. I am not, nor have I, attempted to try to create a clause where I am stipulating one country is better than the next. Thats just as ignorrant as racism and discrimination. Its just the current crisis of this wonderful planet. Governments.

Peace, Love and Happiness
So no answer? I never intended to bash your country, nice assumption. I was just curious. That why i chose the words "Out of curiosity".

If you are too ashamed of your home land to mention it by name, than you shouldn't be bashing mine.
 

CSI Stickyicky

Well-Known Member
No empire falls to third world. They dismantle and become none existent or they just grow smaller but remain above third world status. Also it is not called America, America refers to north and south America. It is the United States of America, I learned that in 2nd grade. I do not know how one can call the U.S.A a fake empire. It truly is a dominant force. Just as Russia and China are. Also I do not know if you are refering to the U.S.A as inconsiderate but historically there are many many other countries that are abusive but still powerful. England is one that stands out the most. Britain historically is much worse the the United States of America could ever be . Expanding and killing people for their own benefit. They have killed in and owned Canada, Guiana, Ireland, Gibraltar, Minorca, Ionian Island, Malta, Egypt, heligoland, Cyprus, Sudan, Sierra Leone, Gold Coast, Nigeria, Uganda, Kenya, Tanganyika, Zanzibar, North and South Rhodesia, South West Africa, South Africa, Swaziland, Nyasaland, Bechuanaland, Mauritius, Seychelles, Ceylon, India, Burma, Malaya, Hong Kong, New Guinea, Solomon, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Aden, Palestine, New Zealand, Australia, and a few other places.

The U.S.A is just like any other country, we have our own reasons for the things we do. It is ignorant to think that we are the only world power that is self serving. Every Country tries to benefit itself via selfish acts. Many countries historicaly have allowed the U.S.A to do their dirty work for them. I ask where are you from potologist. What country are you from where your words of wisdom come off as stupidity. Truly you can answer this question and not be such a "Arse" which is a British word. I think you have expanded your mind to a place where reality does not exist.
I gotta agree with you man. Spain is another nation right up there with Britain when it comes to conquering. I also asked potologist where he was from, and he refused to answer. Good luck getting an answer, but it seems he is ashamed of where he resides, and wont mention it.
 

The Potologist

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I gotta agree with you man. Spain is another nation right up there with Britain when it comes to conquering. I also asked potologist where he was from, and he refused to answer. Good luck getting an answer, but it seems he is ashamed of where he resides, and wont mention it.
Yes I am ashamed of it. Its just irellavant to our discussions. I am not attempting to compare which country is greater than the next. I think any country with a Government is a Non-Starter.
I have been civil throughout the entire discussion. Obviously, the greater majority of people lose their lid to easily to some hard to swall facts and opinions. I have also made sure to inplace " With all due respect, or NO DISRESPECT" to subject/topics that may be offensive to some.

So....For those that are just dying to know....I live on Earth, burning under the same sun as the next man. Still under the same gravity as the masses. Think that sums my point( of my location) up nicely.
 

The Potologist

Active Member
So no answer? I never intended to bash your country, nice assumption. I was just curious. That why i chose the words "Out of curiosity".

If you are too ashamed of your home land to mention it by name, than you shouldn't be bashing mine.
Read PEOPLE...Read it twice, I have made it more than obvious to any human my INTENTIONS. THEY DONT RESIDE IN BASHING OR PUTTING DOWN THIS COUNTRY OR THAT, ITS JUST BLUNT HONESTY, THE KIND THAT BITCH SLAPS SOME ( with no disrespect)
 

The Potologist

Active Member
No empire falls to third world. They dismantle and become none existent or they just grow smaller but remain above third world status. Also it is not called America, America refers to north and south America. It is the United States of America, I learned that in 2nd grade. I do not know how one can call the U.S.A a fake empire. It truly is a dominant force. Just as Russia and China are. Also I do not know if you are refering to the U.S.A as inconsiderate but historically there are many many other countries that are abusive but still powerful. England is one that stands out the most. Britain historically is much worse the the United States of America could ever be . Expanding and killing people for their own benefit. They have killed in and owned Canada, Guiana, Ireland, Gibraltar, Minorca, Ionian Island, Malta, Egypt, heligoland, Cyprus, Sudan, Sierra Leone, Gold Coast, Nigeria, Uganda, Kenya, Tanganyika, Zanzibar, North and South Rhodesia, South West Africa, South Africa, Swaziland, Nyasaland, Bechuanaland, Mauritius, Seychelles, Ceylon, India, Burma, Malaya, Hong Kong, New Guinea, Solomon, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Aden, Palestine, New Zealand, Australia, and a few other places.

The U.S.A is just like any other country, we have our own reasons for the things we do. It is ignorant to think that we are the only world power that is self serving. Every Country tries to benefit itself via selfish acts. Many countries historicaly have allowed the U.S.A to do their dirty work for them. I ask where are you from potologist. What country are you from where your words of wisdom come off as stupidity. Truly you can answer this question and not be such a "Arse" which is a British word. I think you have expanded your mind to a place where reality does not exist.
"Truely a dominate force"...That is where the illusion begun, thus leaving a "Leading Fake Empire"

Expanded my mind to wear reality doesnt exist...Good words but is based on ignorant assumptions. I DONT PRETEND TO KNOW WHATS ON YOUR MIND, SO CONSIDER BRINGING THAT BACK TO ME. DONT PRETEND YOU KNOW ME, OR WHATS ON MY MIND, OR WHERE MY MIND RESIDES.

This is the whole subject. The unecessary FALSE SENSE of Pride from Americans ( or for those who are in tune with being properly correct U.S.A.) "Leading in a Fake Empire gives way to a False sense of Hope and Pride" ( Martin Luther King)

Lastly, I do wish to apologize to those that took offense to any of my postings. Sometimes brutal honesty doesnt have a way of being pretty. Also, thanks for the information. I assumed "arse" would be a pirates/vikings word...British...huh...learn something new everyday. Anywho, It was not my intentions to be a "arse" and I do send my apologies to those who felt such.

Peace, Love and Happiness
 

The Potologist

Active Member
Potologist why don't you just say where you are from. Simple.
Again its irrellavant to our subjects of discussion. I dont know what you dont understand about that. If it makes that big of a difference to you, assume. Use your imagination. If it makes a difference, make me tri-citizen.( I would like to be, Spainish, Italian, and Dominican if you are okay with that) Moreso, in the factuality that it doesnt really matter, what does, is that we are all one nation, one big group of brothers and sisters.

Big P is actually the most acurate yet with the assumptions. Not that location matters.

Peace, Love and Happiness
 

CSI Stickyicky

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I think it is relevant to our discussion. You know where we are from. I'll start, i'm from the United States. I just want to know more about your point of view, and knowing which corner of the world you live your life in is part of that. I cant speak for everybody, but i know i dont intend on ripping on your country, i just want to know who we are talking to.
I agree we are all people of the earth, and all brothers. Peace.
 

NoDrama

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Given enough time nothing exists forever. All Empires fall, many do become third world before disappearing altogether. Look at how many dynasties existed in china and asia and then became third world. Rome didn't fall in a day, but it did fall. IMO I can only hope that the world evolves and doesn't need a government at all. A Huge centralized governmnet can never work, look at the USSR, a One world Government would be a world like the one depicted in Apples very first Mac commercial/ala Orwell's 1984.

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We are already in a severe recession, it will only take another black swan event to send us into what will be known as the Greatest depression. It could happen tomorrow.

I actually look forward to total Collapse, it will shake off all the Parasites of the system and bring us as people closer together and closer to something better for the future.
 

Big P

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Look up the four turnings of history human generations have an eb and flow Like seasons this pattern can be seen since the mid evil time and even bfore that, there are four turning that occur with human history
 

Big P

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History and Turnings*


History & Turnings


Turnings
* First
* Second
* Third
* Fourth

* A turning is an era with a characteristic social mood, a new twist on how people feel about themselves and their nation.* It results from the aging of the generational constellation.* A society enters a turning once every twenty years or so, when all living generations begin to enter their next phases of life.* Like archetypes and constellations, turnings come four to a saeculum, and always in the same order:

The First Turning is a High —an upbeat era of strengthening institutions and weakening individualism, when a new civic order implants and the old values regime decays.* Old Prophets disappear, Nomads enter elderhood, Heroes enter midlife, Artists enter young adulthood—and a new generation of Prophets is born.
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The Second Turning is an Awakening —a passionate era of spiritual upheaval, when the civic order comes under attack from a new values regime.* Old Nomads disappear, Heroes enter elderhood, Artists enter midlife, Prophets enter young adulthood—and a new generation of child Nomads is born.
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The Third Turning is an Unraveling —a downcast era of strengthening individualism and weakening institutions, when the old civic order decays and the new values regime implants.* Old Heroes disappear, Artists enter elderhood, Prophets enter midlife, Nomads enter young adulthood—and a new generation of child Heroes is born.
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The Fourth Turning is a Crisis —a decisive era of secular upheaval, when the values regime propels the replacement of the old civic order with a new one.* Old Artists disappear, Prophets enter elderhood, Nomads enter midlife, Heroes enter young adulthood—and a new generation of child Artists is born.
Like the four seasons of nature, the four turnings of history are equally necessary and important.* Awakenings and Crises are the saecular solstices, summer and winter, each a solution to a challenge posed by the other.* Highs and Unravelings are the saecular equinoxes, spring and autumn, each coursing a path directionally opposed to the other.* When a society moves into an Awakening or Crisis, the new mood announces itself as a sudden turn in social direction.* An Awakening begins when events trigger a revolution in the culture, a Crisis when events trigger an upheaval in public life.* A High or Unraveling announces itself as a sudden consolidation of the new direction.* A High begins when society perceives that the basic issues of the prior Crisis have been resolved, leaving a new civic regime firmly in place.* An Unraveling begins with the perception that the Awakening has been resolved, leaving a new cultural mindset in place.

The gateway to a new turning can be obvious and dramatic (like the 1929 Stock Crash) or subtle and gradual (like 1984’s Morning in America).* It usually occurs two to five years after a new generation of children starts being born.* The tight link between turning gateways and generational boundaries enables each archetype to fill an entire phase-of-life just as the mood of an old turning grows stale and feels ripe for replacement with something new.

The four turnings comprise a quaternal social cycle of growth, maturation, entropy, and death (and rebirth).* In a springlike High, a society fortifies and builds and converges in an era of promise.* In a summerlike Awakening, it dreams and plays and exults in an era of euphoria.* In an autumnal Unraveling, it harvests and consumes and diverges in an era of anxiety.* In a hibernal Crisis, it focuses and struggles and sacrifices in an era of survival.* When the saeculum is in motion, therefore, no long human lifetime can go by without a society confronting its deepest spiritual and worldly needs.

Modernity has thus far produced six repetitions of each turning, each repetition lasting roughly the duration of a phase of life and corresponding to an identical constellation of generational archetypes.* Each sequential set of four turnings constitutes a saeculum.*

The Anglo-American saeculum dates back to the waning of the Middle Ages in the middle of the fifteenth century.* In this lineage, there have been seven saecula:

Late Medieval (1435-1487)
Reformation (1487-1594)
New World (1594-1704)
Revolutionary (1704-1794)
Civil War (1794-1865)
Great Power (1866-1946)
Millennial (1946-2026?)
America is presently in the Third Turning of the Millennial Saeculum and giving birth to the 24th generation of the post-medieval era.


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jon.

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I'm thinking cambodia is the place to be.. fresh free fruit in your backyard, and over the counter codeine.bongsmilie
 

Big P

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Best place to be i think is unpopulated areas with good game people in the sticks will be the ones more likely to survive


If food ran out at the grocery store across a 300 mile radious with slim pickins further out in surrounding areas and a collapsed government then I would keep one bullet in the gun for yourself and for each of your loved ones
 
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