cowboylogic
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I have already told him that in an earlier post. But good call.
incandescent light bulb questions...why so many haters?
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ganjaluvr
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bottom line is.. is you cannot use incandescent lights.. to grow cannabis.
they don't have the correct spectrum of lighting.. nor do they have the lumen output.
That's what alot of these NOOBS don't understand.. wattage doesn't really mean anything.
However!! on the other hand.. it kinda does.
Why?
Simple really.. because the more wattage you have.. the more lumens you'll get. Lumens is what you want..
the higher the wattage = the more lumens = the more intensity = more density to the buds in the end. period.
Simple as that my friends..
So again, remember noobs.. wattage is important.. but not as important as lumen output.
Also, spectrum. This is the "kelvin temp" (color) that the bulb puts out. Such as 6500k (blue spectrum for veg cycle)
and then you have the 2300K - 3200K (warm and or red spectrum which is to be used during flowering).
But then again, there are also the "dual spectrum" lights.. which has both the blue and warm(reddish) spectrum..which
with the "dual spectrum" bulbs.. these can be used all the way from seedling to harvest time.. instead of having to
switch out bulbs.. or move plants from the veg. chamber into the flowering chamber.
With "dual spectrum" lighting.. the plant gets both spectrums of lighting.. from one single bulb.
Incandescent bulbs just don't have the correct spectrum (kelvin temp) nor do they have the wattage/lumen output
to sustain the plants life. I mean sure, the plants might live for a few days.. maybe even a week or two.. but
eventually.. the plant will die off because its not getting sufficient lumens (or the correct spectrum of light) to sustain
its life.
Hope that made sense.. I'm sure it made plenty of sense to the other experienced growers.. but I typed that up
specifically for the noobs.. in hopes to get them to understand that using Incandescent bulbs.. just won't cut it.
Peace
Peace.
they don't have the correct spectrum of lighting.. nor do they have the lumen output.
That's what alot of these NOOBS don't understand.. wattage doesn't really mean anything.
However!! on the other hand.. it kinda does.
Why?
Simple really.. because the more wattage you have.. the more lumens you'll get. Lumens is what you want..
the higher the wattage = the more lumens = the more intensity = more density to the buds in the end. period.
Simple as that my friends..
So again, remember noobs.. wattage is important.. but not as important as lumen output.
Also, spectrum. This is the "kelvin temp" (color) that the bulb puts out. Such as 6500k (blue spectrum for veg cycle)
and then you have the 2300K - 3200K (warm and or red spectrum which is to be used during flowering).
But then again, there are also the "dual spectrum" lights.. which has both the blue and warm(reddish) spectrum..which
with the "dual spectrum" bulbs.. these can be used all the way from seedling to harvest time.. instead of having to
switch out bulbs.. or move plants from the veg. chamber into the flowering chamber.
With "dual spectrum" lighting.. the plant gets both spectrums of lighting.. from one single bulb.
Incandescent bulbs just don't have the correct spectrum (kelvin temp) nor do they have the wattage/lumen output
to sustain the plants life. I mean sure, the plants might live for a few days.. maybe even a week or two.. but
eventually.. the plant will die off because its not getting sufficient lumens (or the correct spectrum of light) to sustain
its life.
Hope that made sense.. I'm sure it made plenty of sense to the other experienced growers.. but I typed that up
specifically for the noobs.. in hopes to get them to understand that using Incandescent bulbs.. just won't cut it.
Peace
Peace.
tadamofo
Active Member
damn dude thats deep and this whole shanagins that just happened is my attempt to become educated from a primary source but i have and will continue to read and expand my knowledge but this was just a theoretic question that i guess can only be answer by trying it
and bud nogbog that makes a lot of sense because ive been burned by incandescents but never by a cfl so that seems to be a pretty simple explanation but a satisfying one
tadamofo
Active Member
thank you very much as u explained it very wellbottom line is.. is you cannot use incandescent lights.. to grow cannabis.
they don't have the correct spectrum of lighting.. nor do they have the lumen output.
That's what alot of these NOOBS don't understand.. wattage doesn't really mean anything.
However!! on the other hand.. it kinda does.
Why?
Simple really.. because the more wattage you have.. the more lumens you'll get. Lumens is what you want..
the higher the wattage = the more lumens = the more intensity = more density to the buds in the end. period.
Simple as that my friends..
So again, remember noobs.. wattage is important.. but not as important as lumen output.
Also, spectrum. This is the "kelvin temp" (color) that the bulb puts out. Such as 6500k (blue spectrum for veg cycle)
and then you have the 2300K - 3200K (warm and or red spectrum which is to be used during flowering).
But then again, there are also the "dual spectrum" lights.. which has both the blue and warm(reddish) spectrum..which
with the "dual spectrum" bulbs.. these can be used all the way from seedling to harvest time.. instead of having to
switch out bulbs.. or move plants from the veg. chamber into the flowering chamber.
With "dual spectrum" lighting.. the plant gets both spectrums of lighting.. from one single bulb.
Incandescent bulbs just don't have the correct spectrum (kelvin temp) nor do they have the wattage/lumen output
to sustain the plants life. I mean sure, the plants might live for a few days.. maybe even a week or two.. but
eventually.. the plant will die off because its not getting sufficient lumens (or the correct spectrum of light) to sustain
its life.
Hope that made sense.. I'm sure it made plenty of sense to the other experienced growers.. but I typed that up
specifically for the noobs.. in hopes to get them to understand that using Incandescent bulbs.. just won't cut it.
Peace
Peace.
however just a quick question
you say that incan. lights dont have the right spectrum but it clearly states on my box that the bulbs are 2700k color temp so what does this mean because i know 2700k are used to flower MJ and yet i keep getting told that incan. lights dont have the right spectrum
TheDude0007
Active Member
Plants only use certain spectrums of light. CFL has the closest spectrum to the sun and therefore much more usable light for the plant. So yea you can get a load of lumens out of incandecant, but the useable light is prob less than 10% for the plant. Therefore your 75 incandesant needs to be multiplies by 10 just to give your plants the same kind of light. But now you have another problem, heat and plant stress. I think using it for a very short period is simply just good enough not to let your plants think they are dying. Any more than 3 days they will stretch.
Oneton
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holy fuck lol
TheDude0007
Active Member
thats what you get for such a long ass post. hehehehe
Lil Czr
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It's UV light, like I stated before.
Incandescents have no UV (ultra violet) light.
You know, the rays from the sun that burn your skin, that's what the plant needs more than anything else.
And no, a black light won't work either, so don't even go there.
Believe me, someone thought of all these things long ago, tried them and failed.
There is a reason people spend big bucks for HID lighting, it works.
CFL's will work if you're on a budget.
But, if you feel the need to try it then I suggest that you do.
Incandescents have no UV (ultra violet) light.
You know, the rays from the sun that burn your skin, that's what the plant needs more than anything else.
And no, a black light won't work either, so don't even go there.
Believe me, someone thought of all these things long ago, tried them and failed.
There is a reason people spend big bucks for HID lighting, it works.
CFL's will work if you're on a budget.
But, if you feel the need to try it then I suggest that you do.
NLXSK1
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Almost 5 pages later and we are back to the answer you gave him in post #3. And the ONLY one debating the other side is... Oh yeah... tadamofo...
Because he has these incandescent lights ya see... And he really wants to use them... And he is going to keep arguing till someone agrees with him and use them. And then his is going to come back to this forum and be a dick to someone who wants to argue that incandescent work for growing.
And that ladies and gentlemen is the circle of life...
bud nugbong
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i dont know where you ppl get the idea that you cant use incandecants. you can because they do have the right spectrum. its just the simple fact that they put out more heat energy than light energy.
you can use them it is just pointless to do so because of all that heat. damn, i read "cfls have the closest spectrum to the sun" but incandecants can have the exact same (5700) but its only putting out a fraction of LIGHT as a cfl...same spectrum but about 1/4 of the light wich plants need. ALL THE OTHER ENERGY IS BIENG USED TO CREATE HEAT. wich is bad because you have a hot light close to your plants they will get burned.
bottom line is that cfls are much more effiecent in creating light...more light with less power saves you money on the electric bill, and gives your plant more of what it needs.FOR LESS MONEY...not to mention you can put cfls an inch away and it wont burn your leaves.
you can use them it is just pointless to do so because of all that heat. damn, i read "cfls have the closest spectrum to the sun" but incandecants can have the exact same (5700) but its only putting out a fraction of LIGHT as a cfl...same spectrum but about 1/4 of the light wich plants need. ALL THE OTHER ENERGY IS BIENG USED TO CREATE HEAT. wich is bad because you have a hot light close to your plants they will get burned.
bottom line is that cfls are much more effiecent in creating light...more light with less power saves you money on the electric bill, and gives your plant more of what it needs.FOR LESS MONEY...not to mention you can put cfls an inch away and it wont burn your leaves.
Lil Czr
Well-Known Member
So basically you're saying that you can use them, but you can't use them.
I give up.
bud nugbong
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yea you can use them but it would be like hooking up to the internet using DSL...there is new better technology
bud nugbong
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let me put it like this
plants need light ...incandecants put out 25% light and 75%heat with all the energy they use
cfls put out 90%light and 10% heat with all the energy they use... what would you rather use???? and keep in mind heat does nothing for the plant but burn the leaves (unless you need to bring your temps up a little bit by running one inside your chamber)
i hope you bungholes can understand that if not ...smoke a joint and think about it
plants need light ...incandecants put out 25% light and 75%heat with all the energy they use
cfls put out 90%light and 10% heat with all the energy they use... what would you rather use???? and keep in mind heat does nothing for the plant but burn the leaves (unless you need to bring your temps up a little bit by running one inside your chamber)
i hope you bungholes can understand that if not ...smoke a joint and think about it
PussymOneyWeed
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I'm sorry but the op Has just made me develope an ulcer.
stop beating a dead fucking horse you moron.
It will not work it is too ineffiecent. Get it through your thick noobie fucking skull. Use them and fail, or just stop being a dick and take our word for it.
Holyfuck some people are ignorant as shit.
stop beating a dead fucking horse you moron.
It will not work it is too ineffiecent. Get it through your thick noobie fucking skull. Use them and fail, or just stop being a dick and take our word for it.
Holyfuck some people are ignorant as shit.
Lil Czr
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cowboylogic
Well-Known Member
You cannot grow any plant with incandescent light bulbs>you can get them started>they will survive on their own means for a few days>then die. edit: simple as that.
tadamofo
Active Member
i find it amazing and pathetic how frustrated people get when the accepted info is challenged, it seems like i threatened to kill your familys will the responses i was getting.
go smoke a bowl, chill out, and let this thread die, because some people cannot hand a simle conversation
and i stated the whole fucking time this was a THEORY and some of you were getting pissed for nothing
im not using incandescent im using cfl just to be clear, the point of this thread was to see if it was POSSIBLE to grow under incandescent and the only reason i keep going is because the same thing kept being said"they are not the right spectrum" when i stated several times that the bulbs are 2700k and yet the same response came up over and over untill recently when bud nugbong gave a very well written response that answered my question better than the last 6 pages
jesus fucking christ im out i gotta go smoke
go smoke a bowl, chill out, and let this thread die, because some people cannot hand a simle conversation
and i stated the whole fucking time this was a THEORY and some of you were getting pissed for nothing
im not using incandescent im using cfl just to be clear, the point of this thread was to see if it was POSSIBLE to grow under incandescent and the only reason i keep going is because the same thing kept being said"they are not the right spectrum" when i stated several times that the bulbs are 2700k and yet the same response came up over and over untill recently when bud nugbong gave a very well written response that answered my question better than the last 6 pages
jesus fucking christ im out i gotta go smoke