Don't Be Dumb

[stowandgrow]

While I believe that these types of raids are complete bullshit, this couple overlooked a very important item: the 100 plant federal/DEA issue. There is minimum mandatory sentencing in place for having 100+ plants. The feds can, and obviously will enforce this.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2010/07/druge_enforcement_agents_raid.html

 

[ozzrokk]

If they had over a hundred plants. And that is yet to be seen. It would appear that this was a retaliation for the rally held in Saginaw and if it was then that can not be allowed to go on.
We Do live in America.
Even though the DEA does not recognize our medical law the real question is was how long were they looking at them and when did they decide to raid them. Because if this all came to light by the DEA in the only few days after the rally then we all should be worried cause they want to try to stop us from standing up for our own Legal Rights.

 

[rzza]

hey good read. they hd to know their pushing the limit. i see their argument but this guy had a protest sign saying know the law but he doesnt know it obv. the dea agreed to leave med states alone unless the operation is over 99 plants.

stwandgrow, how ya been?

 

[andar]

While I believe that these types of raids are complete bullshit, this couple overlooked a very important item: the 100 plant federal/DEA issue. There is minimum mandatory sentencing in place for having 100+ plants. The feds can, and obviously will enforce this.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2010/07/druge_enforcement_agents_raid.html

i have been telling people this the whole time. people on here think their safe because they have a medical marijuana card but they are not. its not even a 100 plant thing, the federal government doesnt recognize medical marijuana period. if they wanted to they could raid you for growing one plant. even with a medical card.

 

[rzza]

i have been telling people this the whole time. people on here think their safe because they have a medical marijuana card but they are not. its not even a 100 plant thing, the federal government doesnt recognize medical marijuana period. if they wanted to they could raid you for growing one plant. even with a medical card.

but not since obama agreed to stay out of it unless it was over 100 plants

 

[DoinIt2Gether]

That doesn't mean the local and state cops arent going to be dicks about it, just that Obama won't...

 

[andar]

since when did we start trusting our politicians word? he can say whatever he wants . what he actually does (or could do anytime he wanted to change his mind ), is what matters

 

[rzza]

i have been telling people this the whole time. people on here think their safe because they have a medical marijuana card but they are not. its not even a 100 plant thing, the federal government doesnt recognize medical marijuana period. if they wanted to they could raid you for growing one plant. even with a medical card.

That doesn't mean the local and state cops arent going to be dicks about it, just that Obama won't...

did you not read what i quoted? im responding to what andar said.

 

[rzza]

since when did we start trusting our politicians word? he can say whatever he wants . what he actually does (or could do anytime he wanted to change his mind ), is what matters

listen to yourself...he promised that almost a year ago and has lived up to his word.

 

[joeskilove17]

its shxt like this that scares the hell out of me if i decide to go medical. although true that the people that get caught are ones who usually draw attention to themselves it makes me wonder sometimes if its just better to stay off the radar and not be on record with all the medical bs. now putting aside the 100 plant limit whether the feds abide by it or not whats the point of even having medical assurance (sp?) if you STILL gotta be worried about growing or driving with it and they will still fxck with you?

 

[andar]

people are still getting busted in cali so no he is not living up to his word.

 

[andar]

After word spread of DEA raids on medical marijuana collectives in San Diego and Mendocino County last week, many are left wondering if federal agents deliberately violated the Obama administration’s instructions to not interfere with state medical marijuana laws.
Under the Department of Justice policy announced in an October memo, federal agents are no longer supposed to target or prosecute medical marijuana patients or providers who operate in “clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state law.”
Yet, according to local accounts, the sites raided last week were legal under state law. From the Press Democrat:
Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman confirmed Friday that the [raided] property owner had the proper paperwork and the marijuana was legal in the eyes of the county.
“This was a federal operation and had nothing to do with local law enforcement,” he said. “The federal government made a decision to go ahead and eradicate it.”
Steve Elliott has more in Alternet:
A multi-agency federal task force descended on the property of Joy Greenfield, the first Mendo patient to pay the $1,050 application fee under the ordinance, which allows collectives to grow up to 99 plants provided they comply with certain regulations.
Greenfield had applied in the name of her collective, “Light The Way,” which opened in San Diego earlier this year. Her property had passed a preliminary inspection by the Mendo sheriff’s deputies shortly before the raid, and she had bought the sheriff’s “zip-ties” intended to designate her cannabis plants as legal.
In the days before the raid, Greenfield had seen a helicopter hovering over her property; she inquired with the sheriff, who told her the copter belonged to the DEA and wasn’t under his control.
The agents invaded her property with guns drawn, tore out the collective’s 99 plants and took Greenfield’s computer and cash.
Joy was not at home during the raid, but spoke on the phone to the DEA agent in charge. When she told [him] she was a legal grower under the sheriff’s program, the agent replied, “I don’t care what the sheriff says.”

The DEA has not yet released any statement explaining their actions, which all reports indicate violated their DOJ-issued guidelines.
With the number of state medical marijuana laws at 14 and growing, there is an urgent need for the federal government to ensure that its policy on state medical marijuana laws is made “clear and unambiguous” to its enforcers as well. The DOJ guidelines issued in October should have done just that, but apparently the DEA in California didn’t get the memo.

 

[Keenly2]

rzza is 100% incorrect


obama has not lived up to his promise even in the slightest

mans a paid and very good liar

 

[rzza]

holy shit and this was this month ...

its crazy and that guys quote “I don’t care what the sheriff says.”

it makes me sick to my stomach. however you gotta admit were surely not seeing any federal interuption here in michigan.

also does this article make any mention of her legality of the grow? i mean, what are the charges brought against her?

 

[whiteflour]

but not since obama agreed to stay out of it unless it was over 100 plants

Money talks, and Bullshit Walks. If Obama wasn't bullshitting he would've stroked his pen rather than flapping his trap. He tells the people this, they get some confidence, let down their guard, and did something stupid. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[andar]

holy shit and this was this month ...

its crazy and that guys quote “I don’t care what the sheriff says.”

it makes me sick to my stomach. however you gotta admit were surely not seeing any federal interuption here in michigan.

also does this article make any mention of her legality of the grow? i mean, what are the charges brought against her?

im not sure. that was just one example i found real quick i actually copied from another thread here.. here is an article about it. http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20100709/ARTICLES/100709470 i have heard of more people getting busted though i will try to find some more sources.... basically im jsut sayin be carefull cause they will fuck you over if they want too

 

[whiteflour]

The feds don't care about the little guy. There not out there to pursue misdemeanors. Hence why Cali wants to make the limit one ounce. That keeps it a federal misdemeanor and probably not worth their time. I'm waiting for these big scam ops in Norcal to get shutdown. With the media coverage and city licensing for the cause it shouldn't take too long for them to find an address.

 

[IAm5toned]

where the couple in question fucked up.....

...was leaving there enemy an opportunity to strike.

The Art of War, states-

1. Sun Tzu said: The art of war is of vital importance
to the State.

2. It is a matter of life and death, a road either
to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry
which can on no account be neglected.

if your going to pick a fight, with say, an opponent the size of the DEA and the Fed, dont give them a reason to end you the first time you prick there hides.
if your going to protest, protest. dont be a grower, and a protestor, or else you will end up just like these two martyrs. a martyr doesnt live to fight anotherday, a martyr fails, for a cause...

 

[Jer La Mota]

Less than a week after he organized a protest outside the Saginaw County Courthouse, the Thomas Township home John F. Roberts, 49, a medical marijuana patient and caregiver, was raided by federal drug enforcement agents.


http://aids.about.com/od/clinicaltrials/a/medical_mj.htm

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/marijuana-laws-in-michigan.html

So the government lies, what else is new, one side says yes to please ppl, the other say no, though pay a fine and get it back ?!

Sounds like dirty business to me ..

 

[whiteflour]

No it doesn't. The state is basically running a racket, evading federal taxes. They want their cut simple enough. If you don't give them their cut you can expect to see more stuff like this.

The DEA is just sitting back waiting for this new bill to pass. They'll sideline for a little bit and let the grows get setup. Then they'll slam the book shut in a flash and collect ALL the money in one lump sum, Fines.