The "OFFICIAL" cast your VOTE on PROP 19 thread

[Dan Kone]

THEY are arresting people NOW, Man, and the so-called "legal" patients are going to jail. Maybe you don't want to believe it, but we need this law to pass for so many more reasons than you have to dislike it. The entire country needs it, not just Californians.

The campaign against Prop 19 is mainly one organization, Public Safety First:

"Aside from one $100 individual contribution in the last quarter, every cent of Public Safety First's money has come from just four groups: the California Police Chiefs Association ($30,000), the California Peace Officers Association ($5,000), the Peace Officers Association of Los Angeles County ($5,000), and the California District Attorney Investigators Association ($1,000)." (source)


That list alone tells me to vote for it, without even reading the bill.

Yeah, voting no on prop 19 because the cops don't like it and might arrest people (like they do anyways), is a pretty weak argument.

 

[lazyboy43]

U guys in Cali need to lead our country into a bright new day.... haha VOTE YES it helps pot heads/medical Mj patients all over the USA. Just do it! lol

 

[fdd2blk]

I have a hard time imagining ANY situation where a state attempts to end prohibition where cops immediate reaction isn't to start arresting people. To say we can't end prohibition because the cops might arrest someone is pretty absurd.

where did i say that?

 

[lazyboy43]

also ther should be a vote just for Cali ppl on here.... That poll isnt tht accurate cause almost everyone out of state is going to vote yes, just my opinion.

 

[fdd2blk]

THEY are arresting people NOW, Man, and the so-called "legal" patients are going to jail. Maybe you don't want to believe it, but we need this law to pass for so many more reasons than you have to dislike it. The entire country needs it, not just Californians.

The campaign against Prop 19 is mainly one organization, Public Safety First:

"Aside from one $100 individual contribution in the last quarter, every cent of Public Safety First's money has come from just four groups: the California Police Chiefs Association ($30,000), the California Peace Officers Association ($5,000), the Peace Officers Association of Los Angeles County ($5,000), and the California District Attorney Investigators Association ($1,000)." (source)


That list alone tells me to vote for it, without even reading the bill.

and the fact that prop 19 was mainly funded by ONE person means nothing.

and they call me a hypocrite.

 

[fdd2blk]

Yeah, voting no on prop 19 because the cops don't like it and might arrest people (like they do anyways), is a pretty weak argument.

passing a bill that opens doors for even MORE arrests is smart though.

 

[Dan Kone]

and the fact that prop 19 was mainly funded by ONE person means nothing.

and they call me a hypocrite.

Please, tell us, what does that mean? The DEA has already announced that all these massive scale grow ups we are supposed to be afraid of will not be permitted no matter what. So tell us more about what this means...

 

[Dan Kone]

passing a bill that opens doors for even MORE arrests is smart though.

So we shouldn't end prohibition because the cops might arrest people? If that's true than why are police the main group opposing prop 19?

 

[fdd2blk]

THEY are arresting people NOW, Man, and the so-called "legal" patients are going to jail. Maybe you don't want to believe it, but we need this law to pass for so many more reasons than you have to dislike it. The entire country needs it, not just Californians.

The campaign against Prop 19 is mainly one organization, Public Safety First:

"Aside from one $100 individual contribution in the last quarter, every cent of Public Safety First's money has come from just four groups: the California Police Chiefs Association ($30,000), the California Peace Officers Association ($5,000), the Peace Officers Association of Los Angeles County ($5,000), and the California District Attorney Investigators Association ($1,000)." (source)


That list alone tells me to vote for it, without even reading the bill.

and the fact that prop 19 was mainly funded by ONE person means nothing.

and they call me a hypocrite.

Please, tell us, what does that mean? The DEA has already announced that all these massive scale grow ups we are supposed to be afraid of will not be permitted no matter what. So tell us more about what this means...

do i really need to explain my point?

 

[Dan Kone]

do i really need to explain my point?

You're implying some sort of evil plot. So yes, you need to either come out and say it or stfu about it. Vague scare tactics are not enough.

 

[fdd2blk]

You're implying some sort of evil plot. So yes, you need to either come out and say it or stfu about it. Vague scare tactics are not enough.

potroast pointed out that the campaign AGAINST prop 19 was funded by one group. i pointed out that the campaign FOR prop 19 was funded by one group. what more you are seeing or what you don't understand i am clueless to. it's a pretty simple observation. that is all.

 

[Dan Kone]

potroast pointed out that the campaign AGAINST prop 19 was funded by one group. i pointed out that the campaign FOR prop 19 was funded by one group. what more you are seeing or what you don't understand i am clueless to. it's a pretty simple observation. that is all.

Ok. So the group who funds prop 19 sells weed, the group who funds the opposition for prop 19 arrests people for selling weed. hmmmmm. I think I prefer the group who sells the weed over the group who arrests people. But if you prefer to side with the cops, you have the right to your opinion.

 

[fdd2blk]

Ok. So the group who funds prop 19 sells weed, the group who funds the opposition for prop 19 arrests people for selling weed. hmmmmm. I think I prefer the group who sells the weed over the group who arrests people. But if you prefer to side with the cops, you have the right to your opinion.

i love how those for prop 19 try to impose GUILT upon those who are against it. i haven't been called more names for having a different opinion, EVER.

i think the only name i called those who are for it was "silly rabbits". as opposed to "baby killer", "drug dealer", "greedy", "selfish", "stupid", "hypocritical", "cop lover", "idiot", .......

i will not be insulted into voting for something.



and you still didn't get my point.
nothing to do with "my opinion". i was simply pointing out the irony. you'll never understand.

 

[Dan Kone]

i love how those fro prop 19 try to impose GUILT upon those who are against it. i haven't been called more names for having a different opinion, EVER.

Don't feel guilty! If you want to side with the cops to continue prohibition be proud of your decision! It takes courage to make such a stand!

 

[fdd2blk]

Don't feel guilty! If you want to side with the cops to continue prohibition be proud of your decision! It takes courage to make such a stand!

i said "trying to impose". keyword "try". as i laugh my ass off.

keep at it. if you think it helps.

 

[MediMary]

Ten Reasons to Vote No
1. Proposition 19 isn’t really legalization. It only allows possession of up to one ounce of cannabis. Under current California law, an ounce or less of pot isn’t an arrestable offense. And soon this amount will be a simple civil infraction. Prop 19 doesn’t make any improvements to decriminalization or prop 215.

2. Prop 19 creates several new cannabis related crimes with extremely severe penalties. Don’t pass a joint to a 17 year old, you will be looking at a max of 7 years in state prison, seriously.

3. Prop 19 is solely designed to allow large scale cannabis production by politically connected corporations. Oakland has already granted a license to the Prop 19 Cartel.

4. Most legal experts agree that Prop 19 is poorly written and will leave police and judges to enforce it at their discretion. For example, consuming cannabis would be illegal in the same "space" as a minor. Police and judges are free to interpret the word "space" to mean the same room, house, or entire apartment complex.

5. There is no need to rush into a law that will be difficult to change. There are better full legalization laws, including one set to be on the ballot in 2012.

6. Prop 19 will lead to the walmartization of the cannabis industry. And unfortunately, this will result in lower quality and fixed prices. Limited competition and government control will allow large scale growers to determine prices and dictate quality standards (or lack thereof).

7. Local governments will control the taxation, production, and distribution of cannabis. This is a touchy political issue; most local politicians won’t risk a backlash by allowing dispensaries in their city. This means many people will have to travel long distances or break the law to purchase cannabis.

8. Prop 19 will likely supersede prop 215, adversely affecting medical cannabis users by dictating grow size, possession amount, patient to patient sales, and location of use.

9. Unbiased cannabis activists do NOT support Prop 19. This includes the late Jack Herer and the co-author of prop 215, Dennis Peron.

10. The federal government has decided to not prosecute medical cannabis users. This will not be the case if Prop 19 passes. Many people believe that the passage of Prop 19 will bring an aggressive response from the feds, perhaps putting medical users at risk of losing access to medicine.

 

[Keenly2]

Ten Reasons to Vote No
1. Proposition 19 isn’t really legalization. It only allows possession of up to one ounce of cannabis. Under current California law, an ounce or less of pot isn’t an arrestable offense.

i stopped reading right here because this is where you failed

yes, it IS an arrestable offense, and i have personally witnessed more than 1 person being arrested for less than an ounce

if your going to straight up lie in your first bullet point why should i read anything you have to say

 

[MediMary]

i stopped reading right here because this is where you failed

yes, it IS an arrestable offense, and i have personally witnessed more than 1 person being arrested for less than an ounce

if your going to straight up lie in your first bullet point why should i read anything you have to say

Straight up lie? dude WTF?? I would like to say a few choice words, but im sitting on two infractions.
HERE IS THE LINK! READ IT BEFORE YOU CALL ME A LIAR!
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4525
The reason people have probably been arrested is because its still illegal federally, and if PROP 19 passes ITS STILL ILLEGAL FEDERALLY!!!!!
So to make it simple for you, the same cop that arrested your friend before, CAN STILL ARREST HIM IF HE WANTS TOO, EVEN IF THEY PASS PROP 19!!!

 

[Keenly2]

so you start of by saying that its not an arrestable offense

then in your seond post you said "the reason people have been arrested is because its still illegal federally"

so, you said you cant be arrested, then you said you can be arrested

so you lied.....

im not calling you a liar im just saying you posted some false information which was later contradicted by another post of yours

 

[MediMary]

Current California Law says, Possesion under 28.5 grams is a 100$ fine, a misdemeanor, and no jail time!

so you start of by saying that its not an arrestable offense

Actually I started of by saying that its not an arrestable offence UNDER CALIFORNIA LAW !!!!!

then in your seond post you said "the reason people have been arrested is because its still illegal federally"

and it my second post I was just giving a reason why your friend was probably arrested, don't try and misquote me or manipulate my words!!


so, you said you cant be arrested, then you said you can be arrested

so you lied.....

ROFLmAO ok buddy!


if PROP 19 PASSES IT IS STILL FEDERALLY ILLEGAL!
Your friend would get arrested either way.