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dr green dre

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Here's my harvest pics. Just finished an figured I'd share. Took 7 hours for 3 people to trim. The buds are the most dense I've ever grown. Solid as rocks. I ended up with almost a full 13gal garbage bag full of leaf trim and I am cutting down all of the lower growth in a few days and will make more hash with it and the leaf trim. From past experiance it looks to be around the same amount of herb(roughly a pound) and I should get about 2.5oz of hash from all the trim and popcorn buds. Keep in mind this is only the Piss harvest(half the room). The Blue Kush will be harvested in about 4 weeks.





























Sick bro...
 

Don Gin and Ton

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Westy get em out for the lads howay!!!!

i got my tiny babies out in my shoddy un mylar'd cupboard. youve got something to show off!

trich fiend that is some garden man :clap:
 

1badmasonman

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Integra not that your head needs to get anymore swelled hahaha. Fucking awesome bru. Got that set up dialed in like no other. Excellent.

Masonman, after watching Katrina roll through the gulf states and the response from our government, what's to like about our system any longer? We have become pawns, cash cows for the government and a target for big business to exploit. As DST said, the world is run by the elite and they will not give up that power easily. The way I see it, it's only a matter of time until weed finally becomes legal. With fourteen states having medical, it's only a matter of time. When I speak of the hemp industry, I'm not talking bud, I'm talking hemp, industrial hemp. Hemp to make clothing, feed for animals, rope, sails, that sort of stuff. Maybe even some ethanol? We need some changes in this here country of ours. We are at the edge of the future but there are so many people stuck in 'traditional america' they don't want change. The future is here, we either embrace it, or we head down the path to stagnation. The status quo never wants change, it upsets their apple cart. It's always left to the young to bring change. Protests about civil rights, protests about the vietnam war and even protests about working conditions. If those in charge have their way, things will not change, HOWEVER, one thing I've learned about life, the only constant is change.
Agreed HU. I was at ground zero after katrina for the entire aftermath. What a mess. Change is inevitable. We need to embrace it as it comes our way.

well lads its been a long time coming but im back in the game. i hummed and ha'd over whether to post my babies but when it boils down to it my narcissism won out.

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general mix up half n half serious seeds bubblegum and cherry cheese. couple of livers cuts in there too ;) wont post again till ive got something to show off. compete with the big boys haha
Alright Donny back in the game. Nice lineup of strains to boot.

Wow im blown away by the great results those small scrogs produce. Great work man.

Westy get em out for the lads howay!!!!

i got my tiny babies out in my shoddy un mylar'd cupboard. youve got something to show off!

trich fiend that is some garden man :clap:
Yeah cmon westy show them cheesy ladies off.
 

1badmasonman

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Talk about over kill. Having watched several grows on here from our members I think i way over estiumated the amount of space I needed when i built my room. Im thinking about maybe adding another 600 or 2 eventually. Ive noticed that alot of light escapes from the front side. Either that or i will build a wall to keep the light consentrated better. The endless possibilities.

((((( Headsup )))) I finally got some time this morning to tear down my cloner. It needed cleaning so i took some pics and im going to do a short tutorial on cloning the masonmans way for all members of the 600. This I promised Id do a while back and just havent had time. Ill be back shortly with a post.

Peace 600 1BMM
 

DST

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Ok, so question to you Screen users.

A SOG is as I know, a Sea Of Green. Our new poster Trichlone in my view is doing a SOG with a screen on top, (there are like 20 plants under each screen). I have seen this done a few times, can understand why it is done, but I would also question it's benefit. And it's obvious the SOG method works, it's evident in the pics, but is that screen helping? Trichlone, perhaps you can let us know about your reasons and experiences?

Now a SCROG, as far as I know, is a plant that is utilised to fill up a screen and then grown from there, like Integra's grows.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

1BMM, look forward to the turorial, may just build one myself if it looks easy enough...to I get to use Duct tape????? if not then I am not playing....

DST
 

days to daze

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here look at this link .. its about my grow and the hermie which has thrown pollen into the tent .. i want to be sick ..

have a read and i would love some advice thanks..
 

genuity

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Ok, so question to you Screen users.

A SOG is as I know, a Sea Of Green. Our new poster Trichlone in my view is doing a SOG with a screen on top, (there are like 20 plants under each screen). I have seen this done a few times, can understand why it is done, but I would also question it's benefit. And it's obvious the SOG method works, it's evident in the pics, but is that screen helping? Trichlone, perhaps you can let us know about your reasons and experiences?

Now a SCROG, as far as I know, is a plant that is utilised to fill up a screen and then grown from there, like Integra's grows.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

1BMM, look forward to the turorial, may just build one myself if it looks easy enough...to I get to use Duct tape????? if not then I am not playing....

DST
im wondering the same thing?
as i got 3 1gal pots under this

IDK?
 

Integra21

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Ok, so question to you Screen users.

A SOG is as I know, a Sea Of Green. Our new poster Trichlone in my view is doing a SOG with a screen on top, (there are like 20 plants under each screen). I have seen this done a few times, can understand why it is done, but I would also question it's benefit. And it's obvious the SOG method works, it's evident in the pics, but is that screen helping? Trichlone, perhaps you can let us know about your reasons and experiences?

Now a SCROG, as far as I know, is a plant that is utilised to fill up a screen and then grown from there, like Integra's grows.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

1BMM, look forward to the turorial, may just build one myself if it looks easy enough...to I get to use Duct tape????? if not then I am not playing....

DST
With lolly sog's like triclones the net is more to keep the plants spaced out and upright. Helps keep them from leaning over on eachother and he does a hell of a job with it. With scrogs, some people weave them through the screen similar to Jig's but on a flat setup like mine. But for me, there is no weaving involved at all with the screen. When a tip of a branch or sidebranch grows up through the screen, i just pull it back under the screen and move it over to the next hole further away from the plant and repeat this process for every branch. It is a lot less complicated and easier to do than the weaving, and obviously it gets the desired results. Thats about all I can throw in on that. Hope it helps DST.

And thaks to everyone for the compliments. And Dont get discouraged(Jig&West), I have seen you guys grow lots of killer herb. I think every one in here is on about the same skill level of growing, I think my photography skills just show it better. Keep up the good work everybody, and Keep this thread flooded with the pics of all our kick ass grows. I love that shit.
 

Heads Up

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ive missed it from the second i packed the tent up man haha
Welcome home D,G&T, good to see ya' back. I have to agree with you even though I haven't stopped growing. When I'm at work I'm wondering how the little ones are doing and can't wait to get home to see them. I couldn't even imagine looking at my tent every day with nothing in it. I bet you were jonesing.
 

1badmasonman

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OK peeps here we go. Before i start i will explain a bit of how i came to the needs of cloning.

First off im quite new to growing and a seed source was not availible to me when i first started. I was quite paranoid about mail ordering seeds and so with the genetics i could find locally i began my mission of raising a mother plant to take cuttings from. The strain is the purps and is a rare find around my parts.

Now you dont neccisarilly have to raise a mother to take clones from but that is what i did. Mainly because I grow outdoors aswell and needed to produce a shit load of clones at once.

You can take cuttings from any plant anytime while in veg. If you aim to raise a mother you will want to top every shoot that grows above the first node. This will create 2 growing tips now instead of one. If you repeat this process many times you can take upwards of 20-50 clones off 1 plant every 7-14 days. Now unless your a commercial grower or an outdoor guerilla grower you probably wont be needing that many clones.

Ok onto the veg room.



This is my veg/mother/clone room which is built within the flower room and sealed from it aswell. I put the blocks on the floor which the cloner sits atop to help with draining because the amount of water it takes to fill the machine is HEAVY. I run the lights 24/7 for now. Its just a simple t8 floro hood. And i keep it pretty high above the clones as you will see. This room has fresh air intake and exhausts into the flower room. A small fan would work just aswell.



This is the reservoir which is nothing more than a storage tote. Black is ideal when shopping for one. The size you need will depend on how many clones you desire. I originally built this machine to root 15 clones at a time. However i have rooted as many as 200 at once which i will explain further below.

A heavy duty tote is also important. Why? because the cheap sterilite ones will bow out when full of water and will allow in light which will cause algae to grow which will slime up your roots. So Heavy duty and black are 2 important things to look for. If you cant find black you can foil tape the outside and that too will work. This tote cost me $12.00 at ACE hardware.

Notice the square holes in the lid. Those are the root plug sites. This is probably the hardest part of building this unit. It will take some time to cut them holes.

Moving on



Heres the side view and a look at the pump. This is a dual port aquarium pump $18.00 at walmart. I actually run 2 of these one on the front side and one on the back. So ive got a dedicated port for each airstone which really helps create alot more bubbles and mist within the res. One pump will still give great results but youll have dead spots where the bubbles are lacking. The drain spout is optional. It is handy when it comes time to change the water. I have just been pumping my res dry with my utilitech 1/3rd horse water pump right into the drain. Works slicker than ky jelly.

Black air hose is a must. If you use clear you will get algae. $3.00 at walmart. You may want to include some check valves inline to prevent backflow into the pumps. They are cheap insurance at just a few $$ apeice. However i dont use any and havent had a problem yet.

So far $60.00 spent not to bad. Now all we need is some good airstones.



Now you dont have to put a block in the bottom of your cloner but i do so that the airstones are closer to the clone stems. A shallower tote would be benificial but i couldnt find one at the time. Having a larger volume of water also keeps the temps a bit more stable as theres alot more of it to heat when the room gets hot during the heat of the day. Temps generally stay right around 78 degrees give or take.

For airstones i started out using little bitty 1" but they wouldn't stay put in the res and were wizzing around in the bottom so i went up to 12" and they really seem to work well. They are about $3.00 apeice at walmart again. They are heavy enough to stay where I put them under the surface which is nice. Sometimes a deadspot will become evident as the airstones age so youll have to move them around to get the bubbles rumbling evenly across the waters surface.



And here she is full of fresh h2o straight from the tap. My cities water is some of the cleanest water in the USA so im not to worried about using it.

See how evenly the bubbles are bursting on the surface. That is what we want to see. Onto the lid.


Remeber those square holes in the lid?. Well this is what we are going to use to make a snug fitting rooting plug. These are some childrens foam building blocks. I have not been able for the life of me been able to find a retail store who sells these. I stole a few from my kids and bought them a huge lego set for there loss. It was a fair trade.


The finished product. Just a lil trimming to make the plug snug fit into the lid of the cloner and wallah.



As you can see some of the plugs ive cut alot of material from the inners of the plug and thats because i grew 8 clone mothers for the outdoor season this year and i stuffed them lil root plugs just as full of cuttings as i could. 10-15 in each plug. Yes they did root just fine being that crowded and most where very healthy.

One thing I wanted to mention is that you can find an abundance of other materials to use as rooting plugs. You can also order the neoprene type if you wish. I have been asked many times where to get them lil blocks i use and the answer is i dont know. I have looked in every toy isle in my city and cant find em anywhere. They may be availible online somewhere though i never did a search yet for them.

Ok so we are ready to fill her up with clones now. I currently have no need to take clones but i decided today that i will take my 6 mothers in veg and take a cutting each from them and put them into flower. Ill get into that in a bit.


Heres a cutting from blue widow pheno2. Im going to leave only the top 2 sets of leaves.


Ok 3 sets since they are staggered. I slice the bottom straight off. Some say to cut at a 45 under water. Ive done both methods and either way i dont notice any diffrence in rooting times or overall health.


Once the cutting is trimmed i mist the stem with water and dip it in this rooting hormone for just a light coating and put directly in the root plug into the cloner.


Repeat as nescissary. Its really quit simple from here. I have been adding some foxfarm grow big veg nutes to the res in a low dose every water change. I like to change the water twice a month to keep the algae in check.

I have experimented with running the pumps on a timed schedule only to find that 24/7 is the best way to go. If your wanting to lower your electric bill though a schedule of 15 minutes on 45 off will help but slow the root growth slightly.

How Long does it take to root a clone????

Well it depends on the strain. I have found the strains ive aquired locally root really fast compared to strains ive aquired via seedbanks. I dont know why but they root fast. By fast i mean 1 week or less. Ive had some root in as few a 3 days. On the other end of the spectrum ive had strains such as the Arjans Strawberry Haze take as much as a month.

I can tell you that keeping the stems in or at the waters surface in the res is key.



The water level should be checked daily as it will evaporate to some degree. You idealy want to keep the water just at the stem so keep this in mind when taking cuttings. The softer the tissue you take a cutting from will also produce roots faster but they are hard to get as the doner plant ages. As long as that stem stays wet and the groing tip on top of the plant stays alive you will get roots no matter how tuff the stem tissue is. Just be patient. You will first see small roots developing and the foliage starting to yellow a bit and that is when they are ready to explode with root growth.

I let the root ball get about the size of a cigarette lighter and then put them in 4" soil pots. If your growing hydro you can actually veg the clones right in the cloner till ready for the hydro system. Ive done this on a small scale test run to see how well it will work as i plan a 15 bucket hydro run this winter, and it looks like it will work great.

And that concludes this tutorial for now. I will update the progress of the 5 clones i took from each mother today when roots start poppin. If you have any questions lay em on me brothers and sisters. 1BMM:arrow::joint::hump:
 

Heads Up

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DST. I think I can speak for all the people who have been around this thread for a while. We trust your judgment, pick a strain and we'll grow it. That would be a yes from me.
 

Heads Up

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Masonman, thank you. I've watched so many videos on building a cloner, I feel like I could do it in my sleep. I just ordered two of those air stones this morning. I have the ones that wander all over the bottom of the tote. I'm going to try something a bit different. I have everything to make the cloner except for the misting jets. I'm going to use the air stones to put oxygen into the water and also use a pump to spray the roots instead of depending on the bubbles for rooting. I thought I had ordered the stones when I ordered the pump and the neoprene plugs, I couldn't find those foam blocks anywhere, but of course being a stoner, I forgot to order the air stones. In one of the bibles on growing, I've read that scraping the bottom inch of the cutting also helps it to root faster. It supposedly exposes more of the plants tissue, thus speeding up the process. Looks good on paper, when I finally start cloning I'll have to give it a try.
 

Heads Up

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I have a question. I'm growing in soil. When the clones are ready to be potted, is a veg period necessary? If so how long in general or is it one of those individual things? If you take a cutting from a four week old plant and clone it, does it continue to age? When my four week old clone is ready to put into a pot, after a week is it now five weeks old?
 

Heads Up

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Impressive looking girls trichlone fiend. Nice to see as my next grow will include to strains from Barney's and two from GHS. Keep us posted as they finish.
 

HookdOnChronics

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damn shit piss fuck. Woke up this morning to the timer turning on, a rattling sound coming from my ballast, and NO light.......... FUCK ME! And of course it's GOT to happen RIGHT after I have to pay rent, student loans, and credit card bill..... FML!

Anybody have any idea what this means? I already bought a new bulb and put it in there, the new bulb started flickering at least (other bulb wouldn't even flicker) but I haven't tried leaving it on longer than 2 mins (while the new bulb is flickering) because I don't feel like busting the brand new bulb. Anybody at ALL have ANY ideas?????

PLEASE! lol, Am I gonna need to start lookin for a new ballast godamnit?
 

1badmasonman

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Masonman, thank you. I've watched so many videos on building a cloner, I feel like I could do it in my sleep. I just ordered two of those air stones this morning. I have the ones that wander all over the bottom of the tote. I'm going to try something a bit different. I have everything to make the cloner except for the misting jets. I'm going to use the air stones to put oxygen into the water and also use a pump to spray the roots instead of depending on the bubbles for rooting. I thought I had ordered the stones when I ordered the pump and the neoprene plugs, I couldn't find those foam blocks anywhere, but of course being a stoner, I forgot to order the air stones. In one of the bibles on growing, I've read that scraping the bottom inch of the cutting also helps it to root faster. It supposedly exposes more of the plants tissue, thus speeding up the process. Looks good on paper, when I finally start cloning I'll have to give it a try.
Ive tried that too headsup. Its called scarification. I havent noticed any better results. It actually slowed down the process I think. I have had roots pop above the scrapped tissue before on the scraped. But DO try it and see Headsup. It may have just been the strain i was working with at that time.

I have a question. I'm growing in soil. When the clones are ready to be potted, is a veg period necessary? If so how long in general or is it one of those individual things? If you take a cutting from a four week old plant and clone it, does it continue to age? When my four week old clone is ready to put into a pot, after a week is it now five weeks old?
Yes headsup the clone is the same age as the mother and may be showing preflowers if the doner plant is reaching sexual maturity which is usally around week 4-5-6 of veg. That is only really beneficial if your going to go 12/12 from clone. You can keep the clone in a veg state as long as you want really. Id let the clone get some decent roots going before going 12/12 though. I like to first let them get root bound in 4" pots and then transplant to finish pots. From there I will veg until you start getting vertical growth again. It does take a few days or so for them to dig in with there roots and when they do they will strat shooting up quick. That would be Ideal timing to switch to 12/12.

One thing i know you will love headsup just becasue i know how you like a compact plant is that these clones will have tighter internodes than a plant from seed. You can eventually get a pheno that is not a stretchy bitch and is tight internodaly spaced throughout. Im working on that with my current strains.
 

Heads Up

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I have two lemon skunks going that would have been great to clone. I'm wondering, do ya' think root space has anything to do with internode space? If your plant is in a small container, do you think it can sense it only has so much space and in turn keep the internodes tight? I've noticed since I cut the bottom out of the one gallon smart pots and gave them more root room, they immediately started growing vertically and the internode space was greater than before.

I'm thinking a week or probably two of vegging before I would throw them into flower. Two weeks should give them plenty of time to stretch out before going 12/12. Growing from seed, I think the guys on here who use clones have a distinct advantage. With clones I notice the nodes are already alternating, with seed they won't be until the plant is good and mature. With alternating nodes, each bud can get more light and the fan leaves are in a sort of stair-step pattern where on seed plants they are opposite each other and after a few nodes and a couple of weeks, fan leaves are blocking a good bit of bud sight. This is all assuming you are just growing your plant vertically. One thing is for certain, I plan on finding out this winter. Winter in florida, at least the part I live in, is unlike any other place I've been. When you guys are all freezing your butts off, I'm still running around in shorts and a t-shirt. I've been here so long, it's COLD, when it drops below fifty in the winter. I can pull my tent out of my grow room and start the cloning with no worry about heat issues, an exhaust fan and maybe a small oscillating fan in front if need be.
 

1badmasonman

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The lemon skunks resond well to cloning HU.And I believe you correct about the root space. The smaller the container the smaller the plant or so ive read. I know them trash cans keep a small plant but then again my purp mother is as tall as me. Shes also been vegged for 4 months though and shes a stretchy bitch anyways.

Hell im coming over this winter HU. I miss the warm southern weather to tears. It gets downright brutally cold where im from in the winter. But i dont mind now that i have a indoor hobby and some cool peeps to bs with lol. But cabin fever is often not far away come spring and im not lieing.
 
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