Club 600

[DST]

After doing some reading and thinking recently I just wanted to throw my 2cents in, re 1BMM fighting with N. Actually not long after my first Casey Jones grow when we were discussing whether or not to let your plant yellow and die towards the end, and the benefit of keeping them green right throughout the grow these thoughts started coming into my cranium.

Well I had started using a different brand of coco (a more expensive one) and for the life of me I was not getting the results I wanted. I truelly believe it wasn't due to the elements not being available, they were there, it was actually to do with the medium itself. In hinesight this medium was ideal for bedding, but not for the whole medium. When watered it retained a hellavo lot of moisture (which I thin restricted roots more than anything), and also I don't think it had the microbiorganisms to create the correct atmosphere for the ferts to be made available to the plant....I read that the ferts can be in soil, but unless the atmosphere in the soil is good, the plant will only take up a small % of those ferts.

So in other words, it's not that there is a lack in fert, it's a medium problem. So adding something like N, is not necessarily going to improve the situation.

Since I have gone back to the other medium (which is a mix of coco, and soil based medium, with added fertilizers in there - i.e the soil/coco is active) I think the plants have benefited somewhat, making them happier.

Things to do before putting your mix down if not 100%:

Make sure you medium has plenty air in it. This is what enables N to be released as well. Try emptying your soil onto some sheeting and give it a turn.

Adding mycorrhiza and bacterium in preperation of the soil brings it to life. This helps create a relation between the soil and the plant. Giving your plants the ability to take up higher % of fertilizers...

Anyway, will probably chime in again with more inane thoughts.....laters,

DST

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

damn fine tutorial 1BMM and fine bud porn too fella!

thanksk for the warm welcome back to the fold peeps. the countdown to dank has begun.

any word on what were gonna grow yet D????? its killin me

 

[Heads Up]

My partner in stupid has had soil problems for his past two grows. I always put mycorrhiza in my soil and water with molasses. Molasses does not a thing for your plant, it does good stuff for your soil. As I have said before, I've been using Scott's potting soil with an added bag of miracle grow organic. I basically have not had any problems with my plants. With a steady low dose of nutes my plants show almost no burn, you really have to look to find any at all.

DST, back to your light question, I would separate your lamps more or if you can, two metal halide to one hps I've read is the ideal ratio. I don't know what happens when different wavelengths of light meet? Does it change the color spectrum that the plants see? Anyway my thinking is if you separate your lights more each wavelength has a better chance of hitting your plants before being mixed with the color from the other lamp. This grow I've kept my metal halides in even though my 12/12 has started. I'll leave them in for almost the first two weeks and then change them, which will be this weekend coming up, then it's the hps lamps.

 

[DST]

Thoughts.

Was just having a skoot around the web before I went into town....and really, not a massive amount has caught my eye.

I did see Skywalker, a Blueberry and Mazar cross - an attempt to create the ultimate indica, but these little babies come in at 10 fem for 125 euro!! quite pricey I thought. If there ends up 20 of us doing it that's 225 euro to kick off. I was going to suggest that instead of paying me any money as a few have suggested, just sending the money to a charity you think is deserving....however, 225 euro was not the figure I was thinking...more like a 100 euro for 20 seeds, and then in that price bracket there isn't much that is very exciting either.....

So heres my thought.

Since there are some of us trying our own little breeding experiments, why do we not use our own seeds. I currently have enough D-OG Kush seeds (HB backcrossed OG Kush) to give everyone a baby (and still have a few left for me hehe.) This round is my first go with them and they all came out fem so everyone should get a fem seed......

Next run we can try one of Integra's experiments, or perhaps Mr West's since I know he has a few sneaky things on the go. I think this would be cool since we are gorwing our own creations and expanding the available varieties out there as well.

So whatcha think people? If everyone agrees then I will send a pm to all and we can go from there.

DST


p.s I will still donate to charity!

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

your a stand up guy DST. im down for whatever bru.

hopefully down the line i can offer the 600 my own creation too. watch this space

 

[DST]

your a stand up guy DST. im down for whatever bru.

hopefully down the line i can offer the 600 my own creation too. watch this space

Taking that as a Yes, lol.

 

[genuity]

your a stand up guy DST. im down for whatever bru.

hopefully down the line i can offer the 600 my own creation too. watch this space

same here.......

Taking that as a Yes, lol.

yes from me..

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

ok 600 let me tug on some shirt tails here.

Im going to be running a 600HPS and a 600MH side by side ive been doing some reading and found this regime

Use the MH for the vegetative period.
Use the MH for the first 2 weeks of 12/12
Switch to the HPS until the trichomes begin to form heads
Switch the MH and the HPS every 2 days until the end of the harvest.

now i cant be chewed with changing out the bulb in my reflector every 2 days or really see the benefit of doing so. if i do switch i was thinking maybe for a week at a time.

im rolling perpetual so the MH for veg isnt important.

anyhow anyone got some advice on how n when i should be using the MH or should I just use 2 HPS ?

 

[DST]

ok 600 let me tug on some shirt tails here.

Im going to be running a 600HPS and a 600MH side by side ive been doing some reading and found this regime

Use the MH for the vegetative period.
Use the MH for the first 2 weeks of 12/12
Switch to the HPS until the trichomes begin to form heads
Switch the MH and the HPS every 2 days until the end of the harvest.

now i cant be chewed with changing out the bulb in my reflector every 2 days or really see the benefit of doing so. if i do switch i was thinking maybe for a week at a time.

im rolling perpetual so the MH for veg isnt important.

anyhow anyone got some advice on how n when i should be using the MH or should I just use 2 HPS ?

Jig's yer man for this, he done quite a bit of reading on it as well I believe.

I am basically HPS all the way in flower, using my MH for the first couple of weeks of flower, then it's out of there until the next veg....that's the regim I have been using.

EDIT: And If I remember rightly, if you are doing a scrog, the MH will give you loads and loads of foliage....

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

thanks for the tips man! sounds like it doesnt really fit in with my perpetual very well tho. i could partition the tent tho i guess

where you at jiggy

EDIT: i just went with HPS

 

[sixstring2112]

I run a S.O.B. garden and use both mh and hps from the start of 12/12 till the end.Sounds like alot of extra work changing bulbs. I use 1200 watts hps and 600 watts mh and i have noticed more weight and they seem to be done about a week sooner.the way i run em is the hps comes on alone for the first hour,then the mh fires up and shuts down 1 hour before lights out.so 12/12 for the hps and only 10 hours of mh, kinda simulates sunrise and sunset.IMO a mixed spectrum is never a bad idea.

 

[DST]

I agree, a mixed spectrum is never a bad idea...thats why I use a Son-T light, also has blue spectrum in there as well.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

clever thinking ill pick up a MH light too, run an experiment. i got an osram son t this round.

well im officially skint till payday but i am a happy man

 

[curious old fart]

DST

Good idea! I just put a herijuana lady with her two brothers, hope you don't mind a little incest. Her offspring ought to be ready in 4 to 5 weeks as contribution to the 600.


cof

 

[trichlone fiend]

Ok, so question to you Screen users.

A SOG is as I know, a Sea Of Green. Our new poster Trichlone in my view is doing a SOG with a screen on top, (there are like 20 plants under each screen). I have seen this done a few times, can understand why it is done, but I would also question it's benefit. And it's obvious the SOG method works, it's evident in the pics, but is that screen helping? Trichlone, perhaps you can let us know about your reasons and experiences?

Now a SCROG, as far as I know, is a plant that is utilised to fill up a screen and then grown from there, like Integra's grows.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

1BMM, look forward to the turorial, may just build one myself if it looks easy enough...to I get to use Duct tape????? if not then I am not playing....

DST

...absolutely, I use my screens to stop my ladies from falling over. Specifically, my Sensi Seed's, Big Bud and Pure Power Plant needs this support, or any strain with alot of side shoot production. In my priviously posted pics here, I used my screen on the Trainwrecks because that table is close to the fan...they needed a little help standing straight. I have used bamboo sticks, the screen seems to be alot easier to maintain.

 

[1badmasonman]

After doing some reading and thinking recently I just wanted to throw my 2cents in, re 1BMM fighting with N. Actually not long after my first Casey Jones grow when we were discussing whether or not to let your plant yellow and die towards the end, and the benefit of keeping them green right throughout the grow these thoughts started coming into my cranium.

Well I had started using a different brand of coco (a more expensive one) and for the life of me I was not getting the results I wanted. I truelly believe it wasn't due to the elements not being available, they were there, it was actually to do with the medium itself. In hinesight this medium was ideal for bedding, but not for the whole medium. When watered it retained a hellavo lot of moisture (which I thin restricted roots more than anything), and also I don't think it had the microbiorganisms to create the correct atmosphere for the ferts to be made available to the plant....I read that the ferts can be in soil, but unless the atmosphere in the soil is good, the plant will only take up a small % of those ferts.

So in other words, it's not that there is a lack in fert, it's a medium problem. So adding something like N, is not necessarily going to improve the situation.

Since I have gone back to the other medium (which is a mix of coco, and soil based medium, with added fertilizers in there - i.e the soil/coco is active) I think the plants have benefited somewhat, making them happier.

Things to do before putting your mix down if not 100%:

Make sure you medium has plenty air in it. This is what enables N to be released as well. Try emptying your soil onto some sheeting and give it a turn.

Adding mycorrhiza and bacterium in preperation of the soil brings it to life. This helps create a relation between the soil and the plant. Giving your plants the ability to take up higher % of fertilizers...

Anyway, will probably chime in again with more inane thoughts.....laters,

DST

Thanks for that perspective D. Did not even consider a soil issue.

Thoughts.

Was just having a skoot around the web before I went into town....and really, not a massive amount has caught my eye.

I did see Skywalker, a Blueberry and Mazar cross - an attempt to create the ultimate indica, but these little babies come in at 10 fem for 125 euro!! quite pricey I thought. If there ends up 20 of us doing it that's 225 euro to kick off. I was going to suggest that instead of paying me any money as a few have suggested, just sending the money to a charity you think is deserving....however, 225 euro was not the figure I was thinking...more like a 100 euro for 20 seeds, and then in that price bracket there isn't much that is very exciting either.....

So heres my thought.

Since there are some of us trying our own little breeding experiments, why do we not use our own seeds. I currently have enough D-OG Kush seeds (HB backcrossed OG Kush) to give everyone a baby (and still have a few left for me hehe.) This round is my first go with them and they all came out fem so everyone should get a fem seed......

Next run we can try one of Integra's experiments, or perhaps Mr West's since I know he has a few sneaky things on the go. I think this would be cool since we are gorwing our own creations and expanding the available varieties out there as well.

So whatcha think people? If everyone agrees then I will send a pm to all and we can go from there.

DST


p.s I will still donate to charity!

I think thats a great idea. I am hoping to get a male from some of my new beans to cross with a cut of the time warp but that will be awhile. Id sure like to get some of that UK cheese pollen that would make a wicked cross. So mr westy or any D im open for some pollen hehe. You dont here that suggestion everyday lol.

Anyhows D i think that idea of using our own beans is a winner. Id really feel in dept to you if you spend a bunch of $$$. Im wth whatever you want to do homie. Off to work peace 1bmm

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

gonna be waitin a long time for that cheese pollen 1BMM the world and his dog wants a male of the exodus cheese. potpimp.com has S1's tho

 

[DST]

gonna be waitin a long time for that cheese pollen 1BMM the world and his dog wants a male of the exodus cheese. potpimp.com has S1's tho

I've got some cheese pollen in the freezer, lol..from the BX2's (no, not next to the Chunkey Monkey!!). Gonna bust it onto one of my OG Kush's next run, providing the smoke I get from Cheese Mom is up to par, and then we'll have a Gucci to talk about, lol. Seriously, I cannot think of a better cross, if the male cheese pollen is anyway similar in genetics to the BX2 I have grown, it's def worth a cross or 3.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

AMEN!!! heres hoping D hahah 'OG Prada' lol

 

[jigfresh]

thanks for the tips man! sounds like it doesnt really fit in with my perpetual very well tho. i could partition the tent tho i guess

where you at jiggy

EDIT: i just went with HPS

I'm sleeping mate. It's 5am on the west coast when you posted this, lol. Gimme a chance to eat a little breakfast and I'll give the 600 my MH/ HPS observations again.