Countryfarmer's outdoor grow

Unwanted

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location location location... thats what will keep the deer away...

i guess being a deer hunter helps lol... they hate steeeep banks, rocky terrain, just places that arnt easy for them... this dosnt mean that they dont travel these areas it just means they dont chill here and eat the fuck outta everything...like your dope ahah...

ive seen plots like someone said before... untouched with others decimated... another thing comes back to the trail thing... you think deer dont like trails that lead to a beautiful herbal sanctuary... mmmmmhhmmm they do haha

ive found the presence of predator animals helps too.. sooo you could put out a couplke pacs of honeybuns within like 50yrds of ur spot everyweek... coyote or bear urine...

deer have respect for yotes and bears... especially when they got little ones
 

stux2c

Active Member
countryfarmer....goto gardeners.com and order the garlic clips to keep deer away. I have tried everything, from hair, to liquid fence, to plastic netting, and the only thing that HAS WORKED are these garlic clips.

They are on sale this week on the website...cheap and the work. hope this helps.
 

Countryfarmer

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Thanks Stux. I think I will order some of those and also do the predator urine thing Uwanted talked about as well.

Seriously Unwanted, I should have thought about bear and coyote urine. I don't hunt anymore but I haven't forgotten everything I learned (or maybe I have, complete brain fart, should have put down other predator urine besides my own long before this).

Anyway, liberal application of liquid fence seems to have the deer in check right now, but I only have about one or two more applications and then I am out. At roughly $40 a bottle, I think I would do better on the urine and garlic clips.

By the way, I also have put down mothballs, soap and human hair. The human hair blows away too fast. The mothballs dissolve after just a few rains. And something is eating the damn Dial soap I cut up and threw around. I kid you not, today I picked up a piece and saw teeth marks on it. Something has been gnawing on the soap!

Anyway, only three plants left, but I know all three are female and all three are healthy and relatively happy. So I might as well invest a little more money in some urine and garlic clips and give those a go.
 

Uncle Ben

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Thanks Stux. I think I will order some of those and also do the predator urine thing Uwanted talked about as well.

Seriously Unwanted, I should have thought about bear and coyote urine. I don't hunt anymore but I haven't forgotten everything I learned (or maybe I have, complete brain fart, should have put down other predator urine besides my own long before this).

Anyway, liberal application of liquid fence seems to have the deer in check right now, but I only have about one or two more applications and then I am out. At roughly $40 a bottle, I think I would do better on the urine and garlic clips.

By the way, I also have put down mothballs, soap and human hair. The human hair blows away too fast. The mothballs dissolve after just a few rains. And something is eating the damn Dial soap I cut up and threw around. I kid you not, today I picked up a piece and saw teeth marks on it. Something has been gnawing on the soap!

Anyway, only three plants left, but I know all three are female and all three are healthy and relatively happy. So I might as well invest a little more money in some urine and garlic clips and give those a go.
You've got alot of pest pressure. You may have to go indoors. I have deer fencing. Only pest pressure is grasshoppers and my lack of watering.

Good luck,
UB
 

someone else

Active Member
And something is eating the damn Dial soap I cut up and threw around.

I know small rodents are big fans of bar soap.

I've seen small shrew scurry away from soap a buddy put down on his outdoor grow perimeter years ago. They have incisors and molars (unbelievably) and might have been the ones chompin' on the soap.

I was equally baffled and amazed something would eat soap.
 

Unwanted

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no killing for me till OCT. sadly haha... that one there is a small one... im guessing like maybe 150lb... there is another that is atleast 350....

!@and the weird thing is that all the deer ARE GONE! they must hate bears lol....
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
no killing for me till OCT. sadly haha... that one there is a small one... im guessing like maybe 150lb... there is another that is at least 350....

!@and the weird thing is that all the deer ARE GONE! they must hate bears lol....
the deer have babies and bears luv baby deers. the buck will be gone where the does are..
not only that but at this time the deer go nockturnal.. only come out at night to feed and move around.. more so when the full moon hits
 

Countryfarmer

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looking good bro.. keep up the good grow.. budz budz and more budz...
Yeh. It has been a disappointing growing season for me, and I think I will do another recap later today for anyone who is thinking of growing. But I still have three ladies and all three are relatively issue free with some nice bud sites growing. Based on when the plants started budding, I am geuss-timating that I will be harvesting sometime around October 10th, which is a couple of weeks before our average first frost date.

All of my remaining three ladies have significant bud sites and the dominant colas are already showing signs of being significant harvest areas. So, I'm hopeful I can still harvest around 24 +/- total ounces. But even if I hit an eleventh hour problem that causes me to lose the rest of my grow, I have still gained invaluable knowledge which will help me to be far more successful on my next attempt.
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
Yeh. It has been a disappointing growing season for me, and I think I will do another recap later today for anyone who is thinking of growing. But I still have three ladies and all three are relatively issue free with some nice bud sites growing. Based on when the plants started budding, I am geuss-timating that I will be harvesting sometime around October 10th, which is a couple of weeks before our average first frost date.

All of my remaining three ladies have significant bud sites and the dominant colas are already showing signs of being significant harvest areas. So, I'm hopeful I can still harvest around 24 +/- total ounces. But even if I hit an eleventh hour problem that causes me to lose the rest of my grow, I have still gained invaluable knowledge which will help me to be far more successful on my next attempt.
anything is better then nothing.. i think you will do better then that..
 

Countryfarmer

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Ok, if anyone new to growing is reading this, maybe it will help to summarize the mistakes I have made so far in this grow. Some of this will be a copy/paste from earlier in the thread, and some will be new thoughts.

(1) Fertilizing too early. I killed about ten seedlings because I hit them with fertilizer when they were only about two weeks old.

Lesson Learned: Do not fertilize your new seedlings with a strong fertilizer when they are young. If you absolutely have to hit them with something in order to feel as if you are doing something, then make a manure tea and use that. If you don't want to make the tea (or don't care to learn how to make your own) you can buy tea from many hydro stores and nurseries.

(2) Over-watering while potted. Luckily I didn't kill any of the plants, but I did stunt their growth some early on.

Lesson Learned: Let the plant dry out in between watering. Each plant will be different as to how much water it uses, even if planted at exactly the same time. There are many different methods of ensuring you do not over-water your plants. You can weigh the pots both wet and dry, feel the soil, look at the soil, or, even better, invest in a decent moisture measuring tool.

(3) Transplanting into an unsuitable native soil. Hasn't caused me any issues yet, but may end up limiting the size of my plants.

Lesson Learned: Heavy clay soils are not the best soil type. While heavy clay soil is fairly common here in my state, I should have found a better site. But, instead I fell in love with my current outdoor site because of its relatively close proximity to a natural water source, concealing features of the old growth blackberry site I am using and great sunlight.

Update: I believe the soil type has affected both height and density of the plants. The positives to a heavy clay soil is that they do tend to hold moisture well, which helps in reducing the frequency of watering.

(4) Amending a heavy clay soil. Hasn't caused me any issues yet, but may end up limiting the size of my plants.

Lesson Learned: Amending a heavy clay soil will most likely cause my roots to want to stay within the amended "better" soil. This issue is not as big of a deal because I did dig some relatively large holes (each hole displaced 5 or more cu ft of native earth - about 35+ gallons per hole).

Update: Plants are 5' to 6' in height and while not as dense as I would like them do cover a diameter of roughly 4' to 7' depending on the plant. All plants have very strong stems and appear to have what will be very productive flowering nodes.

(5) Using an auger to dig in a heavy clay soil without fracturing the sides and bottoms of the hole. Has caused the death of two of my best plants. I incorrectly watered my plants because I mistook over-watering stress for under-watering stress (both stresses appear similar).

Lesson Learned: In a heavy clay soil the walls and bottom of the hole dug should be uneven, not smooth. Use a large screwdriver or chisel to create nooks and crannies in the sides and bottom of the hole. This will encourage the roots to expand into the native soil section.

Actually, if I had everything to do over again, I would have transplanted my plants to a 5 gallon bucket with drain holes in the bottom and sides of the bucket. I would have then buried the bucket into a properly fractured hole. This would have allowed me to have a good quality grow soil and the roots could travel out of the drain holes and into the native soil. Sort of the best of both worlds in a bad native soil.

(6) Failing to adequately stake or otherwise support my plants. High winds resulted in the eventual loss of four plants. Two were destroyed immediately and two were so badly damaged that they were unable to recover.

Lesson Learned: Always stake your plants or provide them with some form of support. Not only will this enable your plants to better withstand high winds and heavy, driving rain, but staking early will keep from damaging expanding root systems.

(7) Failing to adequately protect plants when placed outside. I lost nine seedlings (the entire second grow - which was supposed to replace some of the plants I had lost at that point) and four larger plants over the course of the grow to predation. The seedlings I am relatively positive were eaten by rabbits and the larger plants were either eaten or destroyed by deer.

Lesson Learned: Even the use of Liquid Fence, soap, human hair, and mothballs can not fully protect from predation. Sometimes the deer just get hungry enough to try the plant.

The only measure of predation control that really works is physical barriers, and the only physical barriers that will work 100% are those that enclose the plants completely and leave no access to the deer. If a strong physical barrier is not an option, then using Liquid Fence and other methods can minimize the level of predation. At that point you just have to be willing to accept some losses.

(8 ) Purchasing seeds from a less than reputable seed bank. I bought "feminized" seeds from amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com and all of the so-called feminized seeds grew balls. Big nasty pollen filled nanners.

Lesson Learned: If you have to buy seeds, buy from a seed bank that has been in business long enough to develop a positive reputation. A good spot to start is http://www.seedbankupdate.com/

If clones are available to you, then as long as you are not violating the first rule of growing (that no one besides you knows you grow - by the way, that is also the second and third rule of growing), then by all means go with the clones.

And that should end this update of mistakes (so far). I started with 34 seedlings. I killed an even 10 of them with fertilizer. Out of the remaining 24 only 18 made it into the grow site due to early insect predation (grasshoppers). And due to watering stresses, predation, and a statistical outlier in male to female ratios I am left with 3 very healthy, 5' to 6' tall plants that should be harvested somewhere in the first or second week of October.

Maybe I will get a pound or so for my efforts, which doesn't really make the effort and expense involved worthwhile, but when the gained knowledge is counted I am ahead of the game even if I get no cured and dried bud at all.

Happy growing to all and hope I have helped someone! I certainly appreciate all of the experienced growers who have given me their thoughts.
 

Countryfarmer

Active Member
Just thought I would throw up some updated pics. It is amazing just how fast the bud sites grow when the plants go into flowering.

My biggest girl. She is from the mixed bag of free seeds I got from the seed bank (not the so-called feminized seeds). Since she looks just like the Big Bud male plants that I pulled, I am going to give an educated guess that she is a Big Bud plant. At her tallest branch she is over 6' in height and has two main colas, with many, many smaller branches supporting multiple colas.

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This is the next largest plant at about 5.5' in height. A much bushier plant, this one came from some mexican brick weed that I smoked a while back. No idea as to the genetics behind it, but for mexican brick it wasn't half bad.

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And the runt of the group. This lady is about 5' in height, not quite as bushy as her hispanic friend, but still has a fair amount of colas forming on her.

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Both senoritas together.

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And various bud sites of the three plants.

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Now if I can just keep the insect and deer predation down, I should be ok. Here is a shot of a couple of minor branches that the deer tried to munch on and did not like the taste of due to the Liquid Fence.

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And although I thought I took a picture of it (guess I didn't), I had a small, very thick web, almost a cocoon, which at first I thought was a caterpillar doing his thing, but when I opened it up I found it filled with about a hundred or more small white pupae that looked like minature maggots. Any idea? These were not single eggs that result in the bud worm, but were a hatching site for a large number of whatever these maggoty-looking things would have grown into.

Not wanting to take a chance I just took the entire stem the nest was on completely off and destroyed it.
 

Countryfarmer

Active Member
Hmm ... alto como una cometa. Simply put ... stoned.

I took the branches the deer broke off and dried them out, then smoked the juvenile buds that were on them. All I can say is I can not wait to see how these buds end up because I am certainly appreciating them when dried and smoked far too early.
 
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