Abortion

bearo420

Well-Known Member
2. My mother had me at around age 20 i wasn't planned, and wasn't wanted. I thus far at 19 have had a horrible horrible life i had moved in with my grandmother and things were a little better but its not until now that i have full control of my life that things are better and turning around. But even still if i could go back in time and my mom thought about having me aborted i would have agreed as to spare myself the misery i faced.



to think this all started from someone who was basically saying hed rather be dead.
 

kochab

New Member
yo you fuckin cocksucker i told you once dont put words in my mouth stay the fuck out of here
somebody deserves to be suspended, for something like that. any user on this forum has just as much right as the next to participate in a topic on this forum. quit being an ass to people please. this is an abortion thread involving mature serious intellect. If you dont posses the self control to show some then please be quiet, you arent aiding to the discussion
 

kochab

New Member
legally, murder is defined as killing someone that is alive. but if you murder a pregnant woman it is a double murder and you will be charged as such.

ok i just started paying attention to this thread since my wife posted in it and got it subscribed to me anyways....lol
but yeah i just saw this posted above and remembered about that law. so saying in the states that have the same law, then abortion should be charged as manslaughter upon the mother having the abortion. seems fair to charge a criminal with killing an unborn baby then it must only be fair to charge the mother. unless you are the pot calling the kettle black.
 

threatlevelorange

Well-Known Member
ok i just started paying attention to this thread since my wife posted in it and got it subscribed to me anyways....lol
but yeah i just saw this posted above and remembered about that law. so saying in the states that have the same law, then abortion should be charged as manslaughter upon the mother having the abortion. seems fair to charge a criminal with killing an unborn baby then it must only be fair to charge the mother. unless you are the pot calling the kettle black.
Very good point. You know, maby it is justified as manslughter. I can see that. The thing is, no one would ever be convicted because while a murderer on the loose killing pregnant women IS going to be reported, the victim (fetus) in an abortion case doesn't have a chance to report the crime. If a woman hides her pregnancy (which is likely in abortion cases), no one would know the difference. Out of sight, out of mind...as they say. Perhaps that's why so many people don't care about abortion, it didn't get them, so whats the harm?
 

kochab

New Member
it didn't get them, so whats the harm?
im rolling on my floor at this moment right now because of this comment.

what about those cases we have all heard about where the babys mother goes and has an abortion although the father wanted the baby......... can that bitch not be charged with manslaughter????? I mean wtf type of place do we live in when your old lady can go kill your child as long as it isnt born yet and get away with it scotch free?
sorry, but id have to killa bitch for some shit like that. old lady or not, mother of the baby or not, if anybody kills my kid, THEY DYIN and i wouldnet care if they were the president
the reason im so strong on this subject is because one of my friends had this happen to him, and he let her get away with it. more specifically the fucking GOVERNMENT let her get way with it......
 

heywhatsthatsmell

Well-Known Member
somebody deserves to be suspended, for something like that. any user on this forum has just as much right as the next to participate in a topic on this forum. quit being an ass to people please. this is an abortion thread involving mature serious intellect. If you dont posses the self control to show some then please be quiet, you arent aiding to the discussion
of course everyone has a right to participate but not to be a dick and twist what im sayin i told him that awhile ago
 

EarthlyPassions

Well-Known Member
im rolling on my floor at this moment right now because of this comment.

what about those cases we have all heard about where the babys mother goes and has an abortion although the father wanted the baby......... can that bitch not be charged with manslaughter????? I mean wtf type of place do we live in when your old lady can go kill your child as long as it isnt born yet and get away with it scotch free?
sorry, but id have to killa bitch for some shit like that. old lady or not, mother of the baby or not, if anybody kills my kid, THEY DYIN and i wouldnet care if they were the president
the reason im so strong on this subject is because one of my friends had this happen to him, and he let her get away with it. more specifically the fucking GOVERNMENT let her get way with it......
If those men want to have a baby so badly, let them figure out a way to carry it around for nine months, wreak havoc on their mental-hormonal state, risk the permanent damage or incontinence or death, and suffer through the agony of childbirth. Not to mention, the change in metabolism, the loss of calcium in your bones, post-partum depression (sometimes permanent and or severe.)
Till they do that, they have no right to force a women to have a baby.

Anyone has the right to kill a person if threatened with permanent injury, disfigurement, or death, it's referred to as self-defense. Pregnancy includes the risk of all of these things. So unless this right is rendered null when a women becomes pregnant, it doesn't matter if the 'unborn child' is a person or not. Women have the right to protect themselves regardless.
 

kochab

New Member
If those men want to have a baby so badly, let them figure out a way to carry it around for nine months, wreak havoc on their mental-hormonal state, risk the permanent damage or incontinence or death, and suffer through the agony of childbirth. Not to mention, the change in metabolism, the loss of calcium in your bones, post-partum depression (sometimes permanent and or severe.)
Till they do that, they have no right to force a women to have a baby.

Anyone has the right to kill a person if threatened with permanent injury, disfigurement, or death, it's referred to as self-defense. Pregnancy includes the risk of all of these things. So unless this right is rendered null when a women becomes pregnant, it doesn't matter if the 'unborn child' is a person or not. Women have the right to protect themselves regardless.
bottom line if that bitch was so worried about getting pregnant then she should have done something to prevent it in the first place, but instead of taking her birthcontrol like he wanted, she stopped to GET pregnant. THEN decided that she wasnt going to raise this baby because that would fuck her teenage partying up, and went and had an abortion without his prior knowing.
now granted he did NOT want a baby, But he didnt need that child he was supposed to be guiding in the world to be killed just because he isnt ready.

and if it wansnt killing then they wouldent give criminals additional charges for killing women carrying an unborn fetus.

this thread is becoming an argument based on belief not on what IS. and the law states several places where killing an uborn fetus is ILLEGAL, in many states. But they ignore the fact that the mother is doing the same thing because of un-just reasons.
earthly-passions, im not saying that there arent some cases for it, it just shouldnt be because someone isnt willing to take care of it when there are so many people willing to take the child as their OWN children.
 

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
this thread is becoming an argument based on belief not on what IS.

i would love to talk about or at least POINT to what "IS"


but first I must insist that the LAW and what IS are not the same...

What IS includes the LAW

the law is far from including what "IS"

iloveyou

and there are NO bitches on planet EARTH.. it is JUST you.. everybody is you.. start loving them now.. or continue to pound your head against a brick wall.. IT is just you, that you are hurting....

iloveyou

IF you know you are right.. then have compassion and acceptance for those who are not in the KNOW.... you know that killing a baby is wrong.. making a law is not going to stop this problem.. stopping people is not going to stop this problem... being patient and understanding to those who are in this horrible mess and nurturing them is what will bring the truth...

Peoples lack of faith in their fellow man only breeds more discontent and more problems...

iloveyou

does any woman want to kill her baby.... let the truth surface... when you push.. people push back.. when you embrace.. people embrace back..


You will loose youself in the war against abortion and you will become a hateful person.. you will become what you so dislike in others... there is no such thing as the "good fight"..

don't let other people turn you into a hateful person.. be loving NO MATTER what...be loving and kind and accepting because YOU know that is what we all want from each other...

YOU KINDNESS to all human beings will be your greatest gift to humanity and yourself..

iloveyou
 

bearo420

Well-Known Member
yo, dude, i quote what you wrote in the first post of this thread. no twisting there, that was a complete quote. i thought it was sad then and do now. But regardless, as much as you didnt want to be born, it was the right thing to do, because killing unborn babies is wrong. and i dont need scientists to tell me that. its obvious were animals like any other, and life is a natural thing that your stopping. STOPPING, Hence ending life. SO its wrong.
 

threatlevelorange

Well-Known Member
i would love to talk about or at least POINT to what "IS"


but first I must insist that the LAW and what IS are not the same...

What IS includes the LAW

the law is far from including what "IS"

iloveyou

and there are NO bitches on planet EARTH.. it is JUST you.. everybody is you.. start loving them now.. or continue to pound your head against a brick wall.. IT is just you, that you are hurting....

iloveyou

IF you know you are right.. then have compassion and acceptance for those who are not in the KNOW.... you know that killing a baby is wrong.. making a law is not going to stop this problem.. stopping people is not going to stop this problem... being patient and understanding to those who are in this horrible mess and nurturing them is what will bring the truth...

Peoples lack of faith in their fellow man only breeds more discontent and more problems...

iloveyou

does any woman want to kill her baby.... let the truth surface... when you push.. people push back.. when you embrace.. people embrace back..


You will loose youself in the war against abortion and you will become a hateful person.. you will become what you so dislike in others... there is no such thing as the "good fight"..

don't let other people turn you into a hateful person.. be loving NO MATTER what...be loving and kind and accepting because YOU know that is what we all want from each other...

YOU KINDNESS to all human beings will be your greatest gift to humanity and yourself..

iloveyou

TLO really thinks these statements are more philosopical than political. I'm actually getting a little tired of hearing this whole "we are all one" rhetoric. Just because you have (in any of the threads I have participated in) absolutely no political insight, you feel you still have to post for some reason. Don't take this the wrong way, though. I think you COULD contribute if you wanted to. Just stop being so vague and subjective. At any rate this isn't really an objective topic. Your either pro life, or pro death...and no one will change their mind on this one not in a million years, no matter how many issues people may flip flop on.....this is just not one of those.
 

EarthlyPassions

Well-Known Member
bottom line if that bitch was so worried about getting pregnant then she should have done something to prevent it in the first place, but instead of taking her birthcontrol like he wanted, she stopped to GET pregnant.
Men can also take responsibility, if he didn't want her to get pregnant, then why didn't he ensure it himself by using a condom? That would be the responsible thing to do.
THEN decided that she wasnt going to raise this baby because that would fuck her teenage partying up, and went and had an abortion without his prior knowing.
now granted he did NOT want a baby, But he didnt need that child he was supposed to be guiding in the world to be killed just because he isnt ready.
So he left the responsibility of contraceptives completely up to a partying teenager, then becomes upset when she realizes she'd made a mistake of trying to force fatherhood on someone who did not want a child, was not ready for one herself, and terminated the pregnancy. Brilliant, sounds like they're both irresponsible teenagers that would have made poor parents.
and if it wansnt killing then they wouldent give criminals additional charges for killing women carrying an unborn fetus.
I left room for argument that it could be considered killing. I personally don't feel that way. To me there isn't much difference to removing an embryo or pulling up weeds. Yes, it's alive. Yes, it will be dead now that you've uprooted it. But it felt no pain, cannot think, and is not able to want for it's life. And your garden is so much more pleasant for it.

Of course they will charge someone that killed a pregnant women with more than one death. The women that died, and most likely, her family, wanted to keep the fetus, and develop it into another person, but not only is the mother lost, but so is the new addition to the family. Her loved ones would want the murderer to suffer for both of those losses.
this thread is becoming an argument based on belief not on what IS. and the law states several places where killing an uborn fetus is ILLEGAL, in many states. But they ignore the fact that the mother is doing the same thing because of un-just reasons.
(See above.)
Whether or not it is un-just is debatable. I say the sheer discomfort and risks of pregnancy and child birth are reason enough to justify an abortion if one is wanted.
earthly-passions, im not saying that there arent some cases for it, it just shouldnt be because someone isnt willing to take care of it when there are so many people willing to take the child as their OWN children.
Actually, adoption rates have been in a steady decline for years. And many of the parents willing to adopt only want white babies. Even then, many will not except anything other than infants, healthy infants, which are they are assured has no mental defects.
In an age of sperm banks and ovum donations, fertility drugs and test tube babies; why pay money to adopt an infant that is twice as likely to commit suicide, no matter how well you raise it?

Picture attached is chart on current adoption rates in America.
Please take note: Exits are not children that are adopted, they are children who grow up in the system, never adopted, and leave when they turn 18.
As you can see, that is the most common result of children put up for adoption, they go through life unwanted, grow up, and then leave.
 

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tckfui

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haven't we already agreed that in order to have an opinion, one must have A have had an abortion performed at least once before, and B have been aborted at least once before... because I can swear I remember us all coming to a rational agreement saying that these were the rules, and that people fitting these requirements are the only ones we shale listen to?
 

ccodiane

New Member
haven't we already agreed that in order to have an opinion, one must have A have had an abortion performed at least once before, and B have been aborted at least once before... because I can swear I remember us all coming to a rational agreement saying that these were the rules, and that people fitting these requirements are the only ones we shale listen to?
I guess we can't talk about weed since none of us has been killed and smoked.
 

tckfui

Well-Known Member
THAT IS CORRECT!!! :P
I, of course... have been killed on several occasions... but only smoked once :/
:P
 
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