Penni Walli
Member
I got a question, if prop 19 passes and becomes legal in california, its still not going to be legal under federal laws ?
If the November bill gets passed, what does that mean for us growers?
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Dan Kone
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That's really fucked up. Sorry dude.
california has been "medical" for years. as sad as your story is, it doesn't apply here.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
Regardless of if it passes or not it will still be illegal under federal law.
this is where it gets interesting, 19 provides specific protections
alcohol doesn't have that kind of protection
but cali is a 'termination at will' state(i believe), if they want to fire you, they will find a way
but with prop 19 protection, forcing you to get tested gets tougher
truck driver? test there makes sense, but an office worker? no safety issues there(normally)
cali is kinda weird. an employer can fire you at any time for any reason, but it has to be a legit reason. it can't be a discrimination thing as in "dude was a gimp". but it can be a production thing, "dude was incapable of performing assigned duties". it's all in the verbiage. 
kasuhit
Well-Known Member
TL-DR atleast after page 19.
but anyway, I don't see how it even matters if it becomes completely legal in Cali or remains for medical use only. legalization isn't the point, what about the other states (that are dead to me) behind the times, ect. If at least 2 more states (hopefully more) adopted medical use, I would consider that MORE of a step in right direction, than legalization in a state that already has medical use.
but anyway, I don't see how it even matters if it becomes completely legal in Cali or remains for medical use only. legalization isn't the point, what about the other states (that are dead to me) behind the times, ect. If at least 2 more states (hopefully more) adopted medical use, I would consider that MORE of a step in right direction, than legalization in a state that already has medical use.
the big deal would be with challenging federal law, that's a whole different attack, who knows what may happen through the federal courts on this?
we just had at least 2 recent MMJ states, Maine and NJ
NJ's is so bad it's worthless(literally at the moment), Maine's is better
but the fed's are holding tough so far, every federal pain is well worth it
chewystuart
Member
so simply put. If you can't see what the anti prop19 folks see with that simple statement then your hopeless. Alcoholics aren't pushing to legalize alcohol MORE, they're just happy to be able to drink period.
rep+++
if your dead sure 215 is beyond reach, it's hard to argue against that
but a no vote on 19 may do more than keep the status quo, those that hate MMJ could have some momentum
and couple that with the post Obama era(which seems to be coming fast)
how about a new 'there is no such thing as MMJ' president?
Moldy
Well-Known Member
From the Family of Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes
Van Nuys, California, August, 2010
Dear Friends of Hemp and Cannabis,
Our father, Jack Herer, was a man of leadership, compassion and idealism. He worked relentlessly for decades to achieve his dream of legalizing Cannabis hemp in all its forms, personal, medical and industrial. He wanted Cannabis to be free and open, and to be given full respect for its enormous economic, environmental and cultural benefits.
As an idealist, Jack was adverse to half measures. He originally opposed Prop 215 because it stopped at medical use only. He initially opposed Senate Bill 420 because it set limited quantities as a safe harbor. Over time, however, he came to appreciate the freedoms they created, and took pride in the role he played in inspiring those changes. Jack’s great fear about Prop 215 and SB 420 was that people would accept those limits, become complacent and stop working for full legalization. He feared we would be stuck with medical use forever.
Likewise, Jack railed against Tax Cannabis 2010, now Proposition 19, and its plan for limited legalization and local authority to tax and regulate marijuana sales to adults 21 and above. It falls far short of what he wanted. Jack ‘wanted it all,’ and Prop 19 is just a part of that dream. Unfortunately, Jack passed away before Prop 19 made the 2010 ballot; so many people think he would still oppose it. We don’t believe that, and we ask that everyone stop saying he would cling to that position as we move toward the Nov. 2 vote.
As his family, we want the world to know that the last thing Jack Herer would want is for Californians to vote to keep Cannabis illegal. He was smart and had the political savvy to know that once a measure is on the ballot, the time for bickering has passed. That is why he campaigned for Prop 215 despite its shortcomings. That is why, were he able, he would now be telling voters to rally around and Vote Yes on Prop 19.
Does that mean he would want everyone to stop and be happy with the modest changes that Prop 19 affords? Absolutely not! What Jack would want us to do right now is to support Prop 19, and come Nov. 3 he would be right back again, telling you to renew your commitment to bring a comprehensive California Hemp and Health Initiative to the voters in 2012 or some future date. Jack Herer would ask – no, he would demand your yes vote on Prop 19, along with a pledge to continue fighting for the plant, the people and the planet.
It is true that Prop 19 does not fulfill our father’s dream; but it takes us much closer to achieving it than we are now, and for that reason we, his family, endorse Prop 19 today.
Please vote yes on Prop 19 Nov 2, but do it with the dedication to keep working toward complete legalization in Jack’s honor.
Sincerely, Dan Herer et al.
At least the anti-prop 19 folks can stop using Jack's name to vote no!
Van Nuys, California, August, 2010
Dear Friends of Hemp and Cannabis,
Our father, Jack Herer, was a man of leadership, compassion and idealism. He worked relentlessly for decades to achieve his dream of legalizing Cannabis hemp in all its forms, personal, medical and industrial. He wanted Cannabis to be free and open, and to be given full respect for its enormous economic, environmental and cultural benefits.
As an idealist, Jack was adverse to half measures. He originally opposed Prop 215 because it stopped at medical use only. He initially opposed Senate Bill 420 because it set limited quantities as a safe harbor. Over time, however, he came to appreciate the freedoms they created, and took pride in the role he played in inspiring those changes. Jack’s great fear about Prop 215 and SB 420 was that people would accept those limits, become complacent and stop working for full legalization. He feared we would be stuck with medical use forever.
Likewise, Jack railed against Tax Cannabis 2010, now Proposition 19, and its plan for limited legalization and local authority to tax and regulate marijuana sales to adults 21 and above. It falls far short of what he wanted. Jack ‘wanted it all,’ and Prop 19 is just a part of that dream. Unfortunately, Jack passed away before Prop 19 made the 2010 ballot; so many people think he would still oppose it. We don’t believe that, and we ask that everyone stop saying he would cling to that position as we move toward the Nov. 2 vote.
As his family, we want the world to know that the last thing Jack Herer would want is for Californians to vote to keep Cannabis illegal. He was smart and had the political savvy to know that once a measure is on the ballot, the time for bickering has passed. That is why he campaigned for Prop 215 despite its shortcomings. That is why, were he able, he would now be telling voters to rally around and Vote Yes on Prop 19.
Does that mean he would want everyone to stop and be happy with the modest changes that Prop 19 affords? Absolutely not! What Jack would want us to do right now is to support Prop 19, and come Nov. 3 he would be right back again, telling you to renew your commitment to bring a comprehensive California Hemp and Health Initiative to the voters in 2012 or some future date. Jack Herer would ask – no, he would demand your yes vote on Prop 19, along with a pledge to continue fighting for the plant, the people and the planet.
It is true that Prop 19 does not fulfill our father’s dream; but it takes us much closer to achieving it than we are now, and for that reason we, his family, endorse Prop 19 today.
Please vote yes on Prop 19 Nov 2, but do it with the dedication to keep working toward complete legalization in Jack’s honor.
Sincerely, Dan Herer et al.
At least the anti-prop 19 folks can stop using Jack's name to vote no!
gloomysmokes707
Active Member
THANKS MOLDY YOU BEAT ME TO IT ... "As his family, we want the world to know that the last thing Jack Herer would want is for Californians to vote to keep Cannabis illegal."
gloomysmokes707
Active Member
theres so many good people who are fighting the good fight... and then theres some others who are lost in the confusion of battle. forget they waged war on us. this guy named Mark Mortensun on facebook was debating me abotu this and he brought up a point comparing gay marriage to the legalization of marijuana... i quote him "Mark Mortensun
Prop 8 stopped gay marrage in CA but it didn't stop the gay movement. If 19 looses by a small margine it won't stop the world from seeing what a wonderful plant cannabis is.
Due to attrition, when more old farts die away, the Jack Herrer In...itative should easily pass in two years. It's written way better for you, me and everyone."
I replied "DO PEOPLE FOR GAY MARRIAGE VOTE AGAINST IT?" and another person after me brought up an even better point. as i qoute Carl T. Raff.
"If you are thinking of waiting for CCHH in 2012, keep in mind that we've tried to get CCHH on the ballot a number of times in the last 30+ years and it has never gathered enough signatures to make the ballot."
VOTE YES ON 19 ... DO THE RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF AND SEE THE LIGHT
Prop 8 stopped gay marrage in CA but it didn't stop the gay movement. If 19 looses by a small margine it won't stop the world from seeing what a wonderful plant cannabis is.
Due to attrition, when more old farts die away, the Jack Herrer In...itative should easily pass in two years. It's written way better for you, me and everyone."
I replied "DO PEOPLE FOR GAY MARRIAGE VOTE AGAINST IT?" and another person after me brought up an even better point. as i qoute Carl T. Raff.
"If you are thinking of waiting for CCHH in 2012, keep in mind that we've tried to get CCHH on the ballot a number of times in the last 30+ years and it has never gathered enough signatures to make the ballot."
VOTE YES ON 19 ... DO THE RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF AND SEE THE LIGHT
The Ruiner
Well-Known Member
So Jack himself never actually endorsed prop 19?
The Ruiner
Well-Known Member
Just a quick question, how many actual California MMJ patients/growers here WANT 19 passed? I am talking about ACTUAL Californians, as far as I am concerned all the extraneous input from people from other states is pointless. I can honestly say that I haven't found one...NOT ONE! I have had discussions with 4 other growers just this las week that all oppose 19. Frankly, the bill isn't getting much support outside of the Bay Area and the cartels of Los Angeles. Republicans dont want it, democrats dont want it, and a majority of Californians dont want it. It's a flawed piece of legislation that only the people that really fucking care are taking a close enough look at it to discredit it dutifully, not in a conservative "I don't believe in drugs so I will vote no" way, but to actually risk their necks and reputations speaking out against such a seemingly momentous step. It's a lot of hype and idealism. It's turned into some sort of sloganeering here to support 19. It's like how we are all supposed to "support the troops" by backing bogus wars. Don't support bogus legislation that only serves to revoke the rights of MMJ patients/growers.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
Hi! Now you've met one.
There have been dozens of state wide polls. Virtually all of them say prop19 will pass. So that's pretty much bullshit.
That's not true either.
If prop 19 is so bad why do you need to lie to oppose it?
brickedup417
Well-Known Member
todays paper the polls say 48 percent oppose...and 44 percent for it....... i never took any polls and my whole familys voteing no. i have also been on the phone with other growers i know the past few days all are voting no and they havent took any poles.....cant wait to vote no
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
That poll directly contradicts every other poll that's been taken in the last year. Doesn't seem likely that it is accurate.
Well if you want to support prohibition that's up to you.i never took any polls and my whole familys voteing no. i have also been on the phone with other growers i know the past few days all are voting no and they havent took any poles.....cant wait to vote no
brickedup417
Well-Known Member
if you read the article you would see thats the most acurate up to date (today) you can dislike it as much as you want its the truth, ahahaha this wont pass