L.E.D lighting from HTGSUPPLY

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Ralphie

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I noticed HTGsupply has a new led light called 300 watt tri band that runs for $649

Its either that or i get a 1000 watt mh and hps

they are claiming that it outputs much more light than the 1000 watt, not only does it output more but it says the color of light is much better

i am going to be using an oversized tent to grow:

Green house white widow
Soma Somango
Sensi hash plant

Its been a while since Ive done a grow and I want this one to come out superb

What do you guys think about this setup?
 
krozone

krozone

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I'd like to think that you'd try out the LED, as it will work well. However, chances are you'll go with the HPS due to the inevitable onslaught of skeptics that I expect will show up in the thread.

Good luck! Happy growing!
 
kingofqueen

kingofqueen

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Good call Krozone ! Ralphie the leds are still to new if u ask me . Unless you forsee a heat problem i wouldnt use the leds . The par value of them is much less than hid lighting . Meaning for example a 400w led is 400 w but with a lower par value than an say 400 hid. In simple terms par is how far away the light can be and still be effective kinda like with cfls they work but they have to be right on the plants as there light power diminishes in a short distance .

I am a fan of the leds though love the new technolgy .Just dont think they are as good. Do like the multi spectrum ability they have though.
 
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gobbly

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I looked at these for someone else in the past week or so (you can search for the thread). The spectrum is decent on those, however they don't give info on the diodes or optics. The claim that this will match a 1000w is hogwash imo. I'd put it closer to a 600w, however the optics will determine the penetration, and there's a good chance they are using 120 degree optics, and if that's the case then you will probably get light output like a 600w, but penetration like a 400w. A rule of thumb (not absolute, but often times correct) is to go with 1/2 the LED wattage as you want in HID. The optics angles play a big part in this.
 
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Ralphie

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I am not concerned with stealth i want maximum yield i have. Y own home and im a law abiding citizen

However i want to use one of htgs grow tents and i don't know if 1000 watts will be too much heat for a tent

Anyone have experience with this or can anybody lead me too an led setup that wil rival a 1000 watt setup
 
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Ralphie

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I am not concerned with stealth i want maximum yield i have. Y own home and im a law abiding citizen

However i want to use one of htgs grow tents and i don't know if 1000 watts will be too much heat for a tent

Anyone have experience with this or can anybody lead me too an led setup that wil rival a 1000 watt setup
 
tendran

tendran

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If you invest enough money (multiple 300w+ led panels) then it will be quite doable. But you're going to spend a lot more on 600w of LED than you will on 1000w HPS/MH.. Lights that is.. Either way you're going to need some sort of ventilation.

I'd say if you can afford it, go LED.. If you don't want to dump close to a grand on lights, go with cheaper options.
 
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Montana Geezer

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Exactly the same question that I've been asking. The claims that HTG puts on that light are pretty damn impressive. I guess the question is....Has anyone used it and can you get tight buds with this sucker?

This doesn't appear to be the same ol' Chinese LED.
 
woodsmaneh!

woodsmaneh!

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If going with LED's you need to box the grow area in on all sides as close to the plants as you can, this gives the max light. Use panda or reflective film. You will not get the same coverage as a 1000 hps with a 300 LED at this time. They are producing the newest led's as we speak and learning much more about what works and what don't. If you don't mind a little lower yield, but higher THC content go for the LEDs. If heat is an issue use Led's if not 1000w will give you more. I am waiting for a new 600w they are just finishing testing on. I will pare it with 4 100w inferred to make a growing area of 4 x 10. Will post when I get the lights. Cost of the lights wholesale 1800.00$ Retail they are 2800.00$

I hope you go with the Led's

Peace

Remember with LED's you don't need hoods and ducting and venting and fans for venting. Plus the 35 to 50% electricity saving. Make sure the cooling fans are easy to swap out of the LED.
 
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Cannabist Communist

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Hi Ralphie,

Tell us a little more about the grow op that you intend to build; how big is your grow space gonna be? What cultivation technique(s) will you be employing? Hydroponic or soil? What's your budget? These are all questions which you need to answer to find the right grow light for you. Since you're doing it in a small space, I'm sure there's an LED out there that's just right for you; foliar penetration shouldn't be too much of a problem. But even still, I know there are some with excellent foliar penetration at greater distances, but they cost more.
 
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Ralphie

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I am not concerned with budget too much.. I dont want to spend thousands, but I also dont mind splurging for a thousand or two on my entire setup.. already spent $350 usd on seeds

I am doing it more for a few ounce yield of multiple strains, and high quality, to me quality is more important than quality.. however 6-8 ozs would be nice

i have a 100 square foot room to play with, but i dont want to use the entire room as it is my office, so id like to close off the room with a grow tent

ive always done soil in the past, and i like it, but am open to other options

the seeds i have on the way are:

Green house white widow FEMINIZED X 5
Soma Somango FEMENIZED X 5
Sensi hash plant REGULAR X 10

They are also giving me 5 different free seeds, which id like to grow as well to have max variety

Basically, i want to get as much plants to be as big as possible, but as said before quality is more important than quantity for me, if id have to sacrifice a little bit, i will, id rather have 4 ounces of conniseur quality than 8 ounces of decent or good bud
 
woodsmaneh!

woodsmaneh!

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Have a look at bcledlights he has some or the most advanced lights at great prices. Give them a call they won't bullshit you. I found them most informative and willing to work on price.

Have a look at this guy he's been doing it for years, lots of info and pics, good info on how to do it.

http://ledgrow.eu/

Peace
 
PotPower

PotPower

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1 gram per watt is optimal yield on some harvests is vegged for a proper amount of time but since you will be growing in small tent or space I believe you can produce 6 oz with a 600W hps if done properly. Use a 6" air cooled HF Radiant hood.

you will need a 4' X 8' tent to get near your wanted harvest and more if you are going hydro. I have seen 1 pound come out of a 4 x 4 before so just all depends on your set up and program.
 
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Cannabist Communist

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Ralphie said:
I am not concerned with budget too much.. I dont want to spend thousands, but I also dont mind splurging for a thousand or two on my entire setup.. already spent $350 usd on seeds

I am doing it more for a few ounce yield of multiple strains, and high quality, to me quality is more important than quality.. however 6-8 ozs would be nice

i have a 100 square foot room to play with, but i dont want to use the entire room as it is my office, so id like to close off the room with a grow tent

ive always done soil in the past, and i like it, but am open to other options

the seeds i have on the way are:

Green house white widow FEMINIZED X 5
Soma Somango FEMENIZED X 5
Sensi hash plant REGULAR X 10

They are also giving me 5 different free seeds, which id like to grow as well to have max variety

Basically, i want to get as much plants to be as big as possible, but as said before quality is more important than quantity for me, if id have to sacrifice a little bit, i will, id rather have 4 ounces of conniseur quality than 8 ounces of decent or good bud
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Well, then it sounds like the world's your oyster. And you don't need to go broke just to get a deeply penetrating LED. I don't really have anything superior to suggest, but I'd recommend getting one which is composed exclusively of at least two, ideally three watt diodes if you're planning on growing out your plants tree style. But if you wanna save on head room and lighting without foregoing some potent and dense buds, you could do a modest Sea of Green setup and harvest exclusively or almost exclusively top colas in greater numbers by flowering cuttings as soon as they take root. However, if you're lookin' to keep your plant numbers down and your yields low for obvious reasons, then you can top your plants no later than the fourth node to keep them fairly short, spread out the canopies of fewer plants and keep them level with your light source; this sounds more like what you seem to have in mind. Seeds are expensive, so you're definitely gonna wanna set aside the space to save and keep mothers from the healthiest sprouts. Hope this helps.
 
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Ralphie

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Thanks for the advice

I think im gonna go for an 8 foot wide tent by 4.5 foot deep and 6.5 foot high

in there I think im going to put a 1000 watt hps/mh.. ill go for an led once they get a little more solid


how many plants should i shoot for with a setup like that in soil?

im thinking of letting them veg for about 40 days
 
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Cannabist Communist

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Ralphie said:
Thanks for the advice

I think im gonna go for an 8 foot wide tent by 4.5 foot deep and 6.5 foot high

in there I think im going to put a 1000 watt hps/mh.. ill go for an led once they get a little more solid


how many plants should i shoot for with a setup like that in soil?

im thinking of letting them veg for about 40 days
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I gotta tell ya; with your budget, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to find a solid LED at a forgiving price, especially as compared with the money you'll be saving on the equipment that HIDs entail. Not to mention the fact that it's easier and cheaper to keep your environment stable with much less fan-power. Even with the best fan setup it's a real challenge to keep your temps stable below eighty/twenty-seven degrees Fahrenheit/Celcius with HIDs, especially in a smaller grow tent. And humidity's hard to keep up when so much air need's to be constantly drained from your growspace. It's not the biggest concern, but cannabis does prefer a greater humidity of fifty percent, and that can make the difference in terms of both quality and quantity. And with the money you save on all the HID stuff, you can buy a combo thermostat and humidistat to keep your environment ideal at all times. Sure, LEDs cost more, but I'm sure you can find one that at least matches a 1,000 watt HPS, and with that you'll save space and money, in both your electric bill and the many years of growing you'll get out of it over the HPS. I definitely plan on getting an LED when I finally get the funds together to start my very first grow; the right ones are definitely a step up from HIDs in so many ways. But do what's right for you; it's all about individual cirumstances. Food for thought. Best of luck to you.
 
carokann

carokann

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leds are probably funner to grow with than hps. 1 light will cover 8 feet? id think 2 400's would be better and cheaper. but then you need fans and shit. u looked into t5 lights? they work great.
 
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Smrt

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Cannabist Communist said:
you could do a modest Sea of Green setup and harvest exclusively or almost exclusively top colas in greater numbers by flowering cuttings as soon as they take root.
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IMO, due to the difference in penetration vs an HID lamp, I think the SOG method is a no brainer. I wouldnt even attempt a big plant.
 
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