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Balls to the Wall grow, Riddleme Gets Serious

Rocky Mountain High

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riddleme said:
depends on how you look at it, we're allowed 6 plants but it is supposed to be 2 in seed/clone, 2 in veg and 2 in flower, since I think I have 2 males I'm technically ok but then the guest came adding 2 more (both females) they were not supposed to stay but had to because of the mites, so yeah a bit of covering my ass going on
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They actually only limit you to half in flowering. If you wanted to keep all 6 vegging they wouldn't care. Also those I've talked with that have had a visit from leo, said they only counted the plants, didn't care about light cycles. Furthermore, it actually says no more than half of your count can be 'mature', which is highly debatable as well. It's certainly not mature 2 weeks into flowering. No one has ever gone to jail or been charged with too many plants in flowering, just being over their plant count.

And the plants look great BTW
 
Rocky Mountain High

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Illumination said:
Upon using the protekt on my grapevines outdoors prior to using on my plants I noticed the precipitation when mixed in with the nutes. Upon looking further into this I found that the reason they do not add it to the concentrated nute mix is because in high concentrations silica can only be maintained water soluble at high ph. Upon further experimentation found that regardless of how dilute the nute solution, precipitation would still occur. As I feel that the precipitation would make the silica and whatever else it is reacting with unavailable I have either added it to my last gallon of "rain" intermittently or alternately nutes on last gallon of rain then protekt only in water when it is almost finished "wicking" Also I have used it every other "rain" as I also have Azomite included in my soil mix which is primarily a form of silica. Also I have been giving it to them since pretty much they sprouted and refrained from mixing it with anything else. Also am finding that Dynagro's levels are low so I have increased dosage of their products in comparisons with Jack's. We will see ...

My two cents for what it is worth.

Namaste' :peace: :eyesmoke:
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Wow, thank you so much for that ! Great information brother
 
rastadred22

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has neone heard of ultra-sol 20-20-20? we use it in our water mix for the greenhouse and use it from veg thru to flower.. we use it for poinsettas and citrus trees does anyone kno about it? and do uthink it would be alright for herb? also they have instructions for a tobacco field and its safe for tobacco..
 
riddleme

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rastadred22 said:
has neone heard of ultra-sol 20-20-20? we use it in our water mix for the greenhouse and use it from veg thru to flower.. we use it for poinsettas and citrus trees does anyone kno about it? and do uthink it would be alright for herb? also they have instructions for a tobacco field and its safe for tobacco..
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20-20-20 makes it an all purpose just like Jack's should work just fine for MJ
 
cowboylogic

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Rocky Mountain High said:
They actually only limit you to half in flowering. If you wanted to keep all 6 vegging they wouldn't care. Also those I've talked with that have had a visit from leo, said they only counted the plants, didn't care about light cycles. Furthermore, it actually says no more than half of your count can be 'mature', which is highly debatable as well. It's certainly not mature 2 weeks into flowering. No one has ever gone to jail or been charged with too many plants in flowering, just being over their plant count.

And the plants look great BTW
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Sounds like the same, same so to speak here in the mitten. The legislation/law is written with alot of grey areas. And is very much open to interpretation. It all depends on the county you live in. Some county sheriffs have a huge chip on thier shoulder. Others realize they have better things to do than redneck those doing thier best to remain within the guidelines. And for the most part the State Police try to stay out of it. Unless called in by Leo or a Barney Fife.
 
cowboylogic

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riddleme said:
20-20-20 makes it an all purpose just like Jack's should work just fine for MJ
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Been wanting to ask you this for awhile now. But has been slipping my mind. Whats your opinion on urea as a component of fert? I personally try to stay away from it in container gardening.
 
riddleme

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cowboylogic said:
Been wanting to ask you this for awhile now. But has been slipping my mind. Whats your opinion on urea as a component of fert? I personally try to stay away from it in container gardening.
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N is N to the plant IMHO, looking at it from Mom Natures point of view before we had indoor plumbing pretty much everything is something plants can use once broken down

and if bat and chicken shit are ok what's wrong with a bit of piss?
 
cowboylogic

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I agree urea is urea. I see why like Jacks. Just checked out its content. Almost all of the N is urea. Same with organics. Except ammonia in place of the nitrates. (edit poo to be more specific.) You know what you are working with. So many all purpose mixes are near equal parts, urea, ammonia and nitrates for the N source. It can be hard to control IMO. I found a local dealer so I think I will get some to use on the Amnesia Lemons in the Top or not thread. I have a good idea what to expect from them so it will be a good comparison for me.
 
riddleme

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WooHoo over 10 thousand views in just 5 weeks, my girls are likin the attention lol

and even better Broncos lost :)
 
riddleme

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Got a few updates for ya today, been busy, so let's get started

First let's look at #2 some more we will go back to the week 4 update (already saw the first 2 pics but puttin em here to compare) pic 1 was Sat, pic 2 was Sun, pic 3 was this morning and pic 4 was 10 hours later (right before transplant)

You can almost watch em grow :)
 

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I took these pic's as part of my ongoing effort to prove points about light and shade and why I say don't prune blah blah blah

as you can clearly see in the pics' (this is plant #4 by the way) the new branch in the back is shaded by the nasty big fan leaf hovering over it, yet the side view shows that the 2 branches from that node have grown exactly the same (hieght & size) one is in the light and one is in the shade, yet growth is the same Damn I thought everybody said shade leaves were a bad thing? Well most everybody cause I'm not saying it!!!
 

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riddleme

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Got my little Calcined Clay balls today and my new veg nutes so we're getting ready to transplant, can't wait to see how they like it?

the nutes was a 25lb bag for $28, should last awhile
 

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gumball

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riddleme said:
Got my little Calcined Clay balls today and my new veg nutes so we're getting ready to transplant, can't wait to see how they like it?

the nutes was a 25lb bag for $28, should last awhile
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i try to follow most threads, but dont have the time to keep up like i like. but i dont remember the clay balls, and i dont remember you going hydro!! so what do ya do with that stuff?
 
riddleme

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first you prepare the bucket, though it has been pointed out to me that it serves no useful purpose, I have always covered the drain holes with something, with Tilders I used Perlite and now I'm using the Clay Balls, next I an filling the buckets one gallon (approx) at a time and adding a tablespoon of Dolomite Lime to each gallon layer. Then I place a same size pot where the plant will go and fill in around it, removing it makes a nice correct sized nest, then in goes the plant.

I did make it rain on them this morning (plain water) to put them to sleep, why I decided to do this today as it is stress free to transplant right after a rain. Normally I would have watered the new mix in the pot and let it set for a few days, but no time for that so I did the circle water thing around the outside edge of the pot, so that once they have wicked the water out of the Happy Frogs they can go find water in the SunShine Mix and I added my new veg nutes to the water at full strength, since the SunShine has no real nutes in it though the bag does give an NPK value (it is very low)

and we are off and spurtin :)
 

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riddleme

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I should also point out that this will lower the canapy but they are gettin the 7000 lumens I planned on, they may slow a bit till they dig into that new mix, but not concerned about that.

Also the lights are now once again on 17/7 as we work back down to 12/12 :hump:

Should also point out there was no root ball showing, they still had plenty of room in the little pots

One more thing, I was gonna mix in some diatomite (DynaRok) but decided against it since this is my first time using the silica (diatomite is silica rock, slow releasing like dolomite)
 
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