Balls to the Wall grow, Riddleme Gets Serious
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Rocky Mountain High
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Hey Riddleme, I got a question for ya. After reading what Illumination found on the dyan-protekt, I am looking to use it on the rain days rather than the feed days.
I am wondering whether I should make that the first thing that hits them or the last, don't plan to use it for the entire flush. I was even considering giving them that, waiting an hour then making it rain or making it rain, wait an hour then hit them with protk. Even considered maybe putting them in a pan with a few inches of protekt and letting them wik it up, then rain?
Further, when we make it rain, do you think that the soil retains what it is saturated with first? Or do you think it is worked from the top to the bottom? Once it's saturated, isn't the rest just 'running by' the saturated soil?
Thanks man
PS someone was looking for you at the SS
I am wondering whether I should make that the first thing that hits them or the last, don't plan to use it for the entire flush. I was even considering giving them that, waiting an hour then making it rain or making it rain, wait an hour then hit them with protk. Even considered maybe putting them in a pan with a few inches of protekt and letting them wik it up, then rain?
Further, when we make it rain, do you think that the soil retains what it is saturated with first? Or do you think it is worked from the top to the bottom? Once it's saturated, isn't the rest just 'running by' the saturated soil?
Thanks man
PS someone was looking for you at the SS
riddleme
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that is something I have not researched, I would do it in the last gallon, but can't say why (yet)
and I had no problem with mixin em, as you can see the growth spurts in just a day, would be a problem in hydro though
Illumination
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I have begun feeding using the last gallon of rain with full strength nutes. I use 5 gallons to rain now as after the second or third gallon the ppm remains around 60 all the rest even when I used 15 gallons it still never fell below 60. So I go five and now I give them the feed in the last of the 5 gallons. It takes 2- 3 hours to rain and the last feed gallon I take 30 minutes to give it to it . At 420 ppm nutes going in the runoff comes up to 170. This has eliminated the light nute deficiencies that were appearing while they were wicking. They also seem to be responding best to this method. I then when by weight they are 2/3 way done wicking I add 1 gallon with the beneficials, Big Bloom, Protekt, EA, EN, and/or molasses.
This is what I have come to find works best.... for now....lol...I LOVE THE CHESS GAME WITH THE GIRLS!
Namaste' my friends
ps-RMH I invite you to come and view my grow in my sig and get your opinions. And I love the Skool and it's atmosphere. Lots of wisdom knowledge and no one puts up with stupidity. Awesome...thank you
riddleme
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I have tried it that way and kinda found that what I do works best for me but it is good that you are adapting it to you and that is good info for folks reading the thread to see, it is not etched in stone and every garden is different, so play with things and experiment to find the niche that works best for "you"I have begun feeding using the last gallon of rain with full strength nutes. I use 5 gallons to rain now as after the second or third gallon the ppm remains around 60 all the rest even when I used 15 gallons it still never fell below 60. So I go five and now I give them the feed in the last of the 5 gallons. It takes 2- 3 hours to rain and the last feed gallon I take 30 minutes to give it to it . At 420 ppm nutes going in the runoff comes up to 170. This has eliminated the light nute deficiencies that were appearing while they were wicking. They also seem to be responding best to this method. I then when by weight they are 2/3 way done wicking I add 1 gallon with the beneficials, Big Bloom, Protekt, EA, EN, and/or molasses.
This is what I have come to find works best.... for now....lol...I LOVE THE CHESS GAME WITH THE GIRLS!
Namaste' my friends
ps-RMH I invite you to come and view my grow in my sig and get your opinions. And I love the Skool and it's atmosphere. Lots of wisdom knowledge and no one puts up with stupidity. Awesome...thank you
good stuff!
reefacheefa
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love that day to day growth update!!! looking great bud, and i bet they do love the attention lol. little whores!
reefacheefa
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o man, ive got a question for you about your make it rain piece. you are talking about flushing with every watering and then feed with nutes once she is ready for more moisture, right?
riddleme
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No, read it again, sounds like you are confusing it with the forum hype, you feed when the top is dry 3 inches down (forum hype says water when dry 3 inches down)
and Illumination just post that he feeds with the last gallon of the flush, other growers do it that way as well and it will work, just not how I do it
reefacheefa
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thats what i meant, i read it twice and it seems like your saying to flush when you use only water, then use nutes when its time to water again?? am i still wrong?
riddleme
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Yes still wrong, because you are thinking that dry 3 inches down is time to water again IT IS NOT (well unless your in a party cup)
time to water again would be when the pot is over 75 to 80% dry, even in a 1 gallon pot 3 inches down is less than 20%
reefacheefa
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i go by weight for my watering. of course she went limp on me a few times before i got the hang of it... i didnt say that is when to water.
riddleme
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then what are you confused about???
reefacheefa
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if you mean to flush everytime you use only water, and then use the nutes when the soils almost dry from the watering. from what i understand, you flush to put her to sleep, then she wakes up and goes into "hyper drive" or something lol. therefore that water dries up pretty quick and then you feed when shes almost dried up again
riddleme
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flush with water PH'd to 5.8, then when soil/medium is dry 3 inches down add nutes till you get a slight runoff
note the 3 inches part applies to pots 1 gallon and larger
did you read the ditty? posted here,,,,,,,
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/347914-balls-wall-grow-riddleme-gets-32.html#post4480637
gumball
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Do you think that is why hempy buckets do well, because there is no nutrients in the soiless mix, so every water/feed cycle is like a make it rain? I know you haven't done hempy, just something I have been thinking about watching you and reefa go back and forth about making it rain.
reefacheefa
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lol, no, i read the one in calling all noobs. never caught the beginning of this one
riddleme
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yes basically makin it rain is hydro in soil
that link I just posted goes straight to the ditty, you should read it
reefacheefa
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i just finished it, that is much easier to understand! the last one i read before you started ph'n the water down to 5.8. thank you very much good sir