Top leaves curling under...help

Aerogirl

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Anyone have any ideas on why the one set of leaves on top is curling under on itself and yet the rest of the plant is ok? These are all of the same plant. Sorry for the lighting. I know it makes it harder to visualize the curling leaves.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

Howard Stern

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How close is your light? I burnt my plants having the light too close, and it looks like what you got going on.
 

Aerogirl

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Hi. Yes, I have a PH meter and my PH is running right at 6.4. The highest the temp has been was 79 degrees. It typically runs 73-76 degrees.

The leaves that are turning under on the tips feel really thick compared to the other leaves. I had just taken them out of one tub into a smaller tub because my big tub is going into flower and these weren't ready for that. So the only changes have been from one tub to the other but using the exact same nutrient mix (used water in big tub to fill little tub so they wouldn't be in shock from water change).
 

Aerogirl

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I'm not exactly sure on the res temps. When I feel the water it is cool to the touch though, definately not too warm. I will pull out my backup ph meter and check it since my ph has been right around 6.4 (or so I have thought). I will check into that and see if my ph is out of wack. Thanks so much for your help.
Are you checking the res temps?How do your roots look?It looks like a ph problem honestly.
 
1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (in the root medium) compared to the salinity levels found in the plant’s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root’s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips, which then creates another set of problems. Note - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it’s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling up or down (most times up) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll upward/inward with the grass taking on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently disable or destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant. The damaged leaf (usually) does not fully recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it’s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, dust, twilight periods in the morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system.

4. Overwatering - for those doing soil, this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition inducing root rot and root decline with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. <gasp!> Overwatering creates a perfect environment for damp-off disease, at, or below the soil line. Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to water from the bottom up until moisture levels reach a norm throughout the medium. If the pot feels light to the lift - it&#8217;s time to water. Don&#8217;t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water. And of course, leach once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

All of the above issues relate to a plant's internal cell turgor or cell water pressure. If water pressure within the plant's stem and leaf cells are positive, the plant will look strong and stocky with flat leaves that are cool to the touch due to good transpiration from the leaf surface. By the same token, if the water pressure is not up to par, whereby water is being extracted from the plant and not replenished like it should be.... the leaves and/or stems will droop.
 

Aerogirl

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Hope that helps you out.:idea:
Wow. That was amazing information. I think it touched on a few things I may have been doing wrong. I will check my ph, move my light higher (250 W 10-12 inches away currently, fan on while light is on 18/6) and maybe even flush my nutes. Thanks so much! Great information for me.:hug:
 

Aerogirl

Member
if it is an air cooled light you should be fine. But I have an open hood 600w and 10 inches was too close for mine. I backed it off to 18 inches. Just a thought.
It's just a 250w HPS with an oscillating fan blowing the same hours as the light is on but I think giving my plants a couple more inches from the light will help. Thanks Howard!
 

Howard Stern

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Hope it all works out my friend! I know when you girls are hurting it is like someone stepping on your nuts! LOL GL bro!
 
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