When should i expect sub stems?

BayGreen

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My plant is growing indoors and is 50cm high now but there are no sub stems (branches) formed yet....just the main stem. There are plenty foilage though. It is growing at an rate of about 1-1.5 inches a day.
Should i be worried? I need to clone soon in order to determine the plant's sex.
Any advise is welcome.
 

Corbat420

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you should have lots of branching right now.... how thick is your stem? have you topped the plant at all? what nutrients are you using...? for good branching a plant need lots of light, the right nutrients to create floral hormones, it helps to push hormones down the plant by topping the main stem.

if its just one plant and you need to determine sex just force flower the plant to determin sex, you can re-veg the plant without to much stress if you feed it with a Vitamine B complex.
 

THT

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There's a few things you should know, and theres a few things I'd like to know.

Some plants just don't branch very much. While this is true, a great deal of a plant branching has to do with the amount of light it receives. The grower can encourage branching and lateral growth by bending, training and tying down the main stem.

What do you mean you need to clone to determine the plants sex... after about 3 weeks, a plant, regardless of light cycle, will show its sex in the form of pre-flowers.

There is a WEALTH of information on this site, and you should access that information and learn it well. Much of your learning will be from experience and trial and error, since your just starting out. ( i assume)

Your plants may be growing 1 inch a day.. or stretching 1 inch a day, you have not explained anything about your setup so there I can't help much.

A picture can reveal a whole lot about a plant, so consider taking one to get further opinions.

Hope this was helpful. :D
 

THT

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you should have lots of branching right now.... how thick is your stem? have you topped the plant at all? what nutrients are you using...? for good branching a plant need lots of light, the right nutrients to create floral hormones, it helps to push hormones down the plant by topping the main stem.

if its just one plant and you need to determine sex just force flower the plant to determin sex, you can re-veg the plant without to much stress if you feed it with a Vitamine B complex.
I agree with everything but topping. When you top a plant, you remove those vital hormones, not push them down. The increase in branching usually only happens to the 2 nodes directly under where the plant was topped.
 

Corbat420

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I agree with everything but topping. When you top a plant, you remove those vital hormones, not push them down. The increase in branching usually only happens to the 2 nodes directly under where the plant was topped.

IF you dont remove anything other than the meristem of the plant, when the TOP of the plant is removed (the top 3 nodes...) it forces the floral hormones (which come from the roots.....) to concentrate lower in the plant.

its a proven fact (proven by many people on this site, over and over again..) that pruning the whole top, not just topping increases branch growth lower on the plant.

top= remove the maristem
prune= remove top 3 nodes of the plant, ALL lower groth on the plant and MAYBE even a few of those lower branches....... propetly pruned plants produce more than untouched plants 80+% of the time...... seeing as most LST'ers use pruning to increase branching growth it seems to work out quite fine......
 
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THT

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IF you dont remove anything other than the meristem of the plant, when the TOP of the plant is removed (the top 3 nodes...) it forces the floral hormones (which come from the roots.....) to concentrate lower in the plant.

its a proven fact (proven by many people on this site, over and over again..) that pruning the whole top, not just topping increases branch growth lower on the plant.

top= remove the maristem
prune= remove top 3 nodes of the plant, ALL lower groth on the plant and MAYBE even a few of those lower branches....... propetly pruned plants produce more than untouched plants 80+% of the time...... seeing as most LST'ers use pruning to increase branching growth it seems to work out quite fine......
I wonder if an LST'ed plant would produce more than the properly pruned plant..

Yield has a lot to do with lighting, in fact if all other variables are perfect, then lighting is the ONLY thing determining yield of a plant. Indoors the top and prune method may produce greater results because the goal under artificial light is to keep a low, even canopy.

I still disagree that outdoors a topped plant will yield more than an untouched plant. +rep for some good info though thanks :D
 

gobbly

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genetics, light, and manipulation are the keys here. Some plants just grow up and up and up, and barely branch out at all (less the taller they get). Some bush way out. The more intense your light (the better it penetrates), the faster lower growth will be, which will influence it. You often hear that t5's right up by a plant can help bush out significantly in veg, and switching to HID (which penetrates better) when the plant gets taller. Manipulation is LST/cropping/etc. This is actually fairly formulaic. With minor genetic variations, this plant responds very predictably to forms of manipulation. Plants in general have been controlled using LST/cropping/topping and other similar methods for a very long time, it's not a new practice. This manipulation is sometimes to strengthen joints and things, but more often it is used to increase yield...
 
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