Advanced Nutrients Big Bud is it worth it?? ( Indoor soil grower)

[dnkfrmthasoilz7]

Beansly how am i in a bubble? How do you think you can say I'm too scared to try anything els when i have used AN's full line of over priced products 2 times? BEANSLY if your going to make a rebuttal please put some effort into it and say something valid, SPORT

 

[Beansly]

Beansly how am i in a bubble? How do you think you can say I'm too scared to try anything els when i have used AN's full line of over priced products 2 times? BEANSLY if your going to make a rebuttal please put some effort into it and say something valid, SPORT

My messages to you are short and sweet because while you may be a better/more experience grower than me, your bad at debate. You get mad and emotional too quickly. There's really no point in arguing with a person like you because your set in your ways ( which theres nothing wrong with ) but rather than respecting someone elses opinion no matter how wrong you think it is, you shit on them and resort to name calling and dumb shit. That is what I mean by "bubble". A mental "bubble".
You are what i classify, as a douche bag.

 

[dnkfrmthasoilz7]

1. i major in rhetoric so I'm 100 percent i a better "debater" than you. 2. I am not set in my ways because I am still experimenting, i just know what i have tried that isn't up to par and yes i will shit on it if i feel its needed. 3. There you go again with your empty rebuttals every time your point has been well, nothing. 4. your the one name calling ahaha so now who is "bad at debate"? If any intelligent person was to read through our argument I'm sure that they would think you were a 12 year old defending his point.

 

[dnkfrmthasoilz7]

that i after percent was a typo, so i hope you don't try and use that in your next rebuttal. I'm sure you would have because you have nothing els to use.

 

[homebrewer]

whats with the tiny buds..doesnt look like botanicare and gh is performing for you very well......AN baby....

A harvest is the sum of all parts, big or small. When all my 'small' parts consistently yield between 16.5-20.5 ounces from each of my 600s, you can't complain. Fact of the matter is, AN will never out perform a grower who is using a complete nute line and has experience on their side. To that, no grower worth his salt would ever throw their money away on those products either.

 

[nickfury510]

A harvest is the sum of all parts, big or small. When all my 'small' parts consistently yield between 16.5-20.5 ounces from each of my 600s, you can't complain. Fact of the matter is, AN will never out perform a grower who is using a complete nute line and has experience on their side. To that, no grower worth his salt would ever throw their money away on those products either.

but a grower with experience on their side who knows a quality product can produce awesome results....not just a few big buds on some stretched out plants.

 

[homebrewer]

but a grower with experience on their side who knows a quality product can produce awesome results....not just a few big buds on some stretched out plants.

Those 'few big buds' yielded 571 grams from a 600hps . We can go back and fourth all day if you'd like. AN didn't invent the 17 essential elements that plants need but it looks like they certainly do a good job convincing people that they need to spend double on nutes to get the same results .

 

[nickfury510]

Those 'few big buds' yielded 571 grams from a 600hps . We can go back and fourth all day if you'd like. AN didn't invent the 17 essential elements that plants need but it looks like they certainly do a good job convincing people that they need to spend double on nutes to get the same results .

im still trying to figure out how im spending double if those were grown by GH nutes which are just as much if not more expensive than AN. my sensi AandB cost me $26.00 compared to floranova which is $28.00 or the floralicious which is $30 for the single quart. or i can pick up the 3 pack which is pushing $40.00. So please enlighten me as to how im paying soooooo much more

 

[homebrewer]

im still trying to figure out how im spending double if those were grown by GH nutes which are just as much if not more expensive than AN. my sensi AandB cost me $26.00 compared to floranova which is $28.00 or the floralicious which is $30 for the single quart. or i can pick up the 3 pack which is pushing $40.00. So please enlighten me as to how im paying soooooo much more

Well, which products are you using? Just the A & B? No additives?

 

[nickfury510]

Well, which products are you using? Just the A & B? No additives?

you still havent answered the question. how is advanced more than the others?

 

[homebrewer]

you still havent answered the question. how is advanced more than the others?

Other than their 'connoisseur' base nutes, their 2 and 3 part lines are comparably priced to other companies. I asked if you were using any additives because THAT is where they're making their money. So now you haven't answered my question; which additives are you using?

 

[nickfury510]

Other than their 'connoisseur' base nutes, their 2 and 3 part lines are comparably priced to other companies. I asked if you were using any additives because THAT is where they're making their money. So now you haven't answered my question; which additives are you using?

thats all i needed to hear....

 

[bigsourD]

Homebrewer, this has become a lost cause.

 

[homebrewer]

thats all i needed to hear....

AN's base nutes are 'comparably' priced but still 10-20% MORE expensive. For some of us, that's hundreds of dollars a month. And that's not even talking about the snake oil additives which you seem to be ashamed to admit that you use. It's ok, you posted on another thread what additives you use. I won't bust your chops on what a waste those are though because if you can't determine that from the labels, then you deserve to throw away your money.

SourD- you're right. Funny how no one had a response to that link you posted from the Oregon Department of Agriculture showing that AN is not only ripping people off on price, but ingredients too.

http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/docs/..._0630.pdf?ga=t

 

[bigsourD]

SourD- you're right. Funny how no one had a response to that link you posted from the Oregon Department of Agriculture showing that AN is not only ripping people off on price, but ingredients too.

No one cares about facts, just he cool ad it has in High Times.

 

[Beansly]

Other than their 'connoisseur' base nutes, their 2 and 3 part lines are comparably priced to other companies.

Its true. Ive already looked it up for anyone who care to see them for themselves:

Checked out some prices of my own. As long as were talking about avoiding facts:
All prices from Amazon.com
Advanced Nutrients:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...bbyist&x=0&y=0
General Hydroponics:
http://www.amazon.com/General-Hydrop...3220384&sr=1-4
Fox Farm:
http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Farm-Soil-...4&sr=1-1-fkmr0
Canna:
http://www.amazon.com/Canna-Aqua-Veg...3220640&sr=1-3
*There are three separate packages you have to buy to get the same effect as AN, GH, and FF which costs $80
Botanicare
http://www.amazon.com/Pure-Blend-Pr...1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1283356153&sr=8-1
*Doesn't have a 3 part package. Price shown is for formula for veg state only

AN is actually the cheapest of FF and GH. It right there you for all to see.
And thats not even really the end of it. AN combines a lot of its older formulas with the new products so you dont have to buy all those extra additives. For example, the AN 4L 3 pack of Grow Micro Bloom (the new one with the gorilla on the front holding a spade and a tomato...) costs $101 msrp. GBM has Wet Betty Grandma Enggy's F-1, Grandma Enggy's H-2, and their amino acid's product, a total of $120.

SourD- you're right. Funny how no one had a response to that link you posted from the Oregon Department of Agriculture showing that AN is not only ripping people off on price, but ingredients too.

http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/docs/..._0630.pdf?ga=t

Your right, that report was troubling.
....But you could look at it as Big Bud was the only fertilizer to have any of those L "dash" products on the whole list...LOL
Yeah I know thats a stretch. And really if AN was way more expensive like everyone said it was (thats why I compared prices in the first place) then that would have been enough for me not to try them. But considering that they're about the same price and in some cases cheaper than the competition, I figured It couldnt hurt. It not about anything but choice. I like their product, their presentation, the fact that theyre not afraid to cater to the weed grower. Thats the big one with me. These big companies want me to buy their product but theyre ashamed to admit what makes them so successful? God damn hypocrites.

 

[mj320002]

On your price links the botanicare one is the only one that works. Also all those L- items are the amino acids. Those are just used as chelates for other minerals. If you want the best nutrients around get dynagro plus some fulvic acid and an amino acid additive. Then you have all the macro's and micros plus all the chelates to make nutes as available as possible. Advanced nutrients is nothing special they just know how to put the right spin on their bs so people with no knowledge will think they know why they're buying what they're buying, and won't realize you can find the same things much cheaper. Now go ahead and tell me about how I'm a mindless hater or whatever.

 

[Beansly]

On your price links the botanicare one is the only one that works. Also all those L- items are the amino acids. Those are just used as chelates for other minerals. If you want the best nutrients around get dynagro plus some fulvic acid and an amino acid additive. Then you have all the macro's and micros plus all the chelates to make nutes as available as possible. Advanced nutrients is nothing special they just know how to put the right spin on their bs so people with no knowledge will think they know why they're buying what they're buying, and won't realize you can find the same things much cheaper. Now go ahead and tell me about how I'm a mindless hater or whatever.

Thanks I had no idea those were amino acids. A lot of people use new techniques and additives work like amino acids, fulvic and humic acid, surfactant, silicon, carbohydrates, b vitamins and others. It just seems that AN was doing it first.

 

[RemeberMe]

Everything has the almost the same stuff in it in varying amounts. General Hydro is expensive because they use more expensive/less salty types (more nitrate nitrogen and less urea nitrogen).

I got a peek at the AN price sheet. Wholesale for bloom A or B is under $20 a gallon. That's half the price you pay retail. Also, notice how AN keeps changing their formula. That just shows how little it all matters as long as the plants are getting enough of what they need. And their Bud Candy or Big Bud is exactly what the label says they are, just more magnesium,calcium, sulfur, or other.

Best thing is to keep the plants green till the last few weeks which means enough Nitrogen and then plenty of PK Calcium, Magnesium, Sulfur, and other minor elements. Nothing Voodoo there, sorry.

 

[mj320002]

Thanks I had no idea those were amino acids. A lot of people use new techniques and additives work like amino acids, fulvic and humic acid, surfactant, silicon, carbohydrates, b vitamins and others. It just seems that AN was doing it first.

Yeah that stuff does work but advanced are not the first people to use it. They are just the first people to put it into some new bottles, give it a fancy misleading name, provide a misleading product explanation, then make lots of money off of nothing. Don't get me wrong it's a smart idea and it is definitely working for them and they are not the only ones. House and Garden Van De Zwaan nutes do the exact same thing.

Specifically Big Bud is labeled as a bloom booster and contains amino acids and some pk. It however doesn't have the micro nutrients that those amino acids would bond with to allow them to be more easily absorbed by the plant. If you're using connoisseur everything in it is already chelated according to the product description so you're basically throwing your money away. This includes amino acid chelation. If they were a respectable company they would simply sell you a bloom product that already has a correct bloom npk and not require you to purchase additives to fix what they did wrong in the first place and add things that according to the label are already included in the base nutrient. I'm kind of interested in looking into this more but I don't have the time right now since I'm going out of town tomorrow and have to finish packing. Next week though I'm going to go ahead and look through their entire feed schedule and try and find all the problems as well as figure out how much a single complete grow would cost you and compare it to some other companies. If anyone wants to beat me too it feel free I would love to see an actual breakdown to maybe settle this argument once and for all.