How to correct ph issues

aeviaanah

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fox farm ocean or whatever. do you have a brand name? should i just use something i have in stock? such as permethrin or neem?

i was thinking about flushing in the shower to remove most and then hitting soil with a permethrin or neem mix. what do you think?
 

doc111

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fox farm ocean or whatever. do you have a brand name? should i just use something i have in stock? such as permethrin or neem?

i was thinking about flushing in the shower to remove most and then hitting soil with a permethrin or neem mix. what do you think?
I think either of those will work. I've been using Ocean Forest as well and it's been a pretty good soil until recently. I've had those same little buggers in my soil too and they don't appear to harm anything but why risk it? Either the neem or permethrin should work to get rid of them. Just make sure you re-apply it a couple of times so you break the life cycle. Best of luck my friend and hit me up if you need anything.:joint:
 

aeviaanah

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I think either of those will work. I've been using Ocean Forest as well and it's been a pretty good soil until recently. I've had those same little buggers in my soil too and they don't appear to harm anything but why risk it? Either the neem or permethrin should work to get rid of them. Just make sure you re-apply it a couple of times so you break the life cycle. Best of luck my friend and hit me up if you need anything.:joint:
this is odd. i took all plants to tub and flushed with ph balanced plain water, around 2 gallons for every 3 gallon pot. i then took and made up a gallon with permethrin....let that sit in the root zone for a while and then i flushed another gallon or so. i then watered with some calmag, fox farm big grow, and fox farm bloom...around a half dose of each.

sound good? i hope i didnt stress them out too much. ill let you know in the mornin
 

doc111

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this is odd. i took all plants to tub and flushed with ph balanced plain water, around 2 gallons for every 3 gallon pot. i then took and made up a gallon with permethrin....let that sit in the root zone for a while and then i flushed another gallon or so. i then watered with some calmag, fox farm big grow, and fox farm bloom...around a half dose of each.

sound good? i hope i didnt stress them out too much. ill let you know in the mornin
Fox Farm soils aren't sterilized so it is possible to have critters in the soil. I'm thinking of switching to pro-mix or sunshine or something that is sterilized. These critters may be harmless but I don't like the idea of anything crawling around in my soil. Flushing the soil always causes a bit of stress but your plants should be fine. They'll probably droop for a day or 2 but just let them dry out a bit and they should be ok.:blsmoke:
 

doc111

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sound like i did the right thing tho? thanks for your help
I don't know how much luck you'll have getting rid of those fuckers. I've been battling with them and the only thing I've been able to do is keep the numbers in check. They don't seem to have any real affect. My yields are great and I can't complain about the quality either. I just hate the idea of crawlies in my soil! I think you'll be just fine. How are they looking this morning?:joint:
 

aeviaanah

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all leaves at upper canopy are pointing upwards which is a good sign of happiness. some of the lower leaves are pointing level or down. id say they are happy.
 

bobhamm

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Be careful with the lime, you can over correct and have issues keeping soil PH below 7.0 I'd get my runoff ph to 6.0-6.5 before I worried about adding more to them. Any PH under 6.5 in the soil is going to induce MAG lock out. I would def flush. Run a gallon through and get the ph read on the end of the run off. adjust 2nd-5 gallons ph to reach desired run off. You can try to foilar feed Epsom salts and water and see how the plant reacts before adding lime. If it reacts well, top dress lightly with pelleted lime.
you bring up something I've been wondering about, to test the runoff, say in a 2 gallon pot, if I ran one gallon thru the soil, you say to test the end of the runoff? would it be more accurate to save all the runoff and test it? or just the last of it?
 

doc111

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i would think the beginning to the middle of the runoff would be more accurate.
There needs to be a sticky explaining why testing runoff in soil is a highly inaccurate way for testing pH.:cuss:

Perky leaves is a good thing. Glad to hear they made it through the initial shock. :weed:
 

bobhamm

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There needs to be a sticky explaining why testing runoff in soil is a highly inaccurate way for testing pH.:cuss:

Perky leaves is a good thing. Glad to hear they made it through the initial shock. :weed:
whats a better way of testing soil ph?
 

doc111

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whats a better way of testing soil ph?
litmus paper or a soil pH test kit. You can find them at any garden center, Lowe's, Home Depot, most hardware stores, etc. They also have pH probes for testing soil pH.

The thing with soil, especially high quality planting mixes, is that they come with the correct pH for growing MOST plants. Usually they contain oyster shell or some sort of garden/dolomite lime mixed in. Soil is a potent buffer, especially when they contain some sort of lime. Buffer has a lot of different definitions depending on the context used but in the case of horticulture it means something which resists changes in pH. Buffer capacity of soil will vary depending on the pH of the solutions being added and the components in the soil which react with the acids or bases in solution. Soil cannot buffer indefinitely but since we rarely reuse soil and our plants finish so quickly it is rare to see the buffering capacity of soil met. It's a good practice to pH your water/nute solutions with soil, just in case.;-)
 

aeviaanah

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I have a 3in1 meter moisture, light and ph....are these accurate when using the ph function in soil?
 

doc111

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I have a 3in1 meter moisture, light and ph....are these accurate when using the ph function in soil?
Generally speaking, they are plenty accurate for most soil applications. Obviously, they aren't the most accurate things in the world (I have one similar to that one and it cost like $5) but they should give you an idea if your soil is totally out of whack. :mrgreen:
 
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