UncleBuck
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people don't continue an action unless they get some sort of satisfaction from it.
The "OFFICIAL" cast your VOTE on PROP 19 thread
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UncleBuck
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19#Polls
still ahead in the latest polls, although back within the margin of error
still ahead in the latest polls, although back within the margin of error
that's why i have said, 3 times now, "i'm done".
my satisfaction will be to watch you continue to rant.
Scuba
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we all know that's not how it really works, it's say one thing do another
Scuba
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That's why i don't argue with the stumps on here anymore, your better off having a discussion with a wall. They don't even except plain fact *rolls eyes* they just twist words to smear anyone they don't agree with.that's why i have said, 3 times now, "i'm done".
my satisfaction will be to watch you continue to rant.
Dan Kone
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The idea that some cops may abuse or break the law is not a good reason to vote against prop 19.
abe23
Active Member
There really isn't ANY good reason to vote against it....only bad ones and lame pretexts. I still don't get it. Maybe that's why this conversation drags on and on: some of us find it exceedingly strange that potheads should be advocating against a legalization measure on a pot themed website.
Dan Kone
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Actually it makes perfect sense. Growers/dealers who operate outside the system will say anything to support prohibition because they are the people who stand to lose the most. Due to them repeating misinformation over and over again other people have started to believe their bs.
UncleBuck
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studies show that by repeating a lie often enough, people will believe it's true.
goebbels was a big fan of this strategy.
The Ruiner
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Dan Kone has highly vested interest in passing 19. He has exploited his medical status as a patient to exploit the system and grow more than he needs so he could raise enough money to set himself up as a corporation.
https://www.rollitup.org/california-patients/363474-how-get-growers-card.html Here, Dan Kone recalls how he paid his lawyer $900 for "advice" on how to set up his fraudulent collective, and he has the nerve to say that people have been exploiting 215 and thats why they are against 19. Nice work, hypocrite.
No one in favor of this bill has actually used the bill to support their claims. They have only addressed parts of the bill that I have already addressed. They refuse to acknowledge major issues. I've come up with supporting evidence to my claims and they have come back with rhetoric. I care not to continue this debate with someone, that by their own admission elsewhere on this forum, has a deep and INvested interest in the passage of 19.
I hope that people will, with scrutiny, examine the sources telling them how awesome 19 really is, and make their own informed decisions.
https://www.rollitup.org/california-patients/363474-how-get-growers-card.html Here, Dan Kone recalls how he paid his lawyer $900 for "advice" on how to set up his fraudulent collective, and he has the nerve to say that people have been exploiting 215 and thats why they are against 19. Nice work, hypocrite.
No one in favor of this bill has actually used the bill to support their claims. They have only addressed parts of the bill that I have already addressed. They refuse to acknowledge major issues. I've come up with supporting evidence to my claims and they have come back with rhetoric. I care not to continue this debate with someone, that by their own admission elsewhere on this forum, has a deep and INvested interest in the passage of 19.
I hope that people will, with scrutiny, examine the sources telling them how awesome 19 really is, and make their own informed decisions.
Hayduke
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hoMEGROWengurl
Active Member
Legalize it? maybe we should all vote "know"?
"Apparently, to be pro-legalization and pro-initiative are two different things entirely."
"is it legalization, or thinly-veiled prohibition"
http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html
This is also a good site.
http://www.rhdefense.com/blog/marijuana-law/blowing-smoke-proposition-19-medical-marijuana/
"Apparently, to be pro-legalization and pro-initiative are two different things entirely."
"is it legalization, or thinly-veiled prohibition"
http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html
This is also a good site.
http://www.rhdefense.com/blog/marijuana-law/blowing-smoke-proposition-19-medical-marijuana/
Dan Kone
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Guilty as charged. If you had half a brain you'd be doing the same thing. It's a fast moving world. Try and keep up.
But with or without prop 19 I'll be doing just fine. I've got my own medical collective. I don't need prop 19, I just think it's a great opportunity for all Californians. Well, at least all Californians who are willing to participate.
I have no sympathy for those who want to grow/sell bud but are too lazy or too stupid to figure out how to participate in a system that allows you to do it legally. Nor do I have any sympathy for those who want to continue with prohibition because they are currently making too much money price gouging their customers.
In our current system causal smokers who buy weed from their local dealer are absolutely getting ripped off. People are being charged $50 dollars for an 8th that costs under 5 dollars to produce. It's obscene. I plan to participate in putting an end to this. If I make some money in the process I do not apologize for that.
There is nothing fraudulent about my collective. I've got 2 lawyers and have consulted with local politicians all to make sure it's 100% legal and beneficial to my community.
I will give any knowledge/information I have on how to be legal and legitimate under prop 215 and how to prepare to be legal and legitimate under prop 19 to anyone who wants to hear it. I do this freely and encourage people to do the same. I'm not greedy. I'm not afraid of competition. I hope everyone here opens their own legal cannabis business. That's how we win in this fight against prohibition.
You trying to characterize me as being a horrible person for trying to help other people says a lot about you.
No. I don't accuse people of exploiting prop 215. I encourage people to exploit prop 215. Prohibition is wrong. I hope one day there will be a dispensary (medical or recreational, doesn't matter) on every street corner in America. I support anyone who fights prohibition by growing or selling cannabis. I don't care if they are exploiting prop 215 or outright growing and selling illegally. They all get much respect from me for disobeying prohibition.
What I don't approve of is a system that exploits cannabis consumers by ripping them off by price gouging them for a 1000%-2000% markup. It's completely obscene that people like you defend this system. It's time for change. Prop 19 can take the illegal risk element out of the process which will remove much of that markup.
There is nothing hypocritical about my viewpoint. It's entirely consistent. I support people who are trying to form their own legal cannabis businesses as I am doing, I don't support the current black/grey market situation which rips off customers. Why do you support the price gouging of Californians?
I cite pieces of the bill to prove my arguments all the time as do many other people. You are outright lying now. If prop 19 is so bad why do you need to lie to oppose it?
Again, this is an outright lie. What part of the bill would you like me to address?
lol. Now who's a hypocrite? Every time someone cites the details of prop 19 you accuse them of semantics and dismiss everything they are saying.
As you can see unlike you, I have absolutely no problem breaking down every detail of you factually challenged posts.
I'm prepared either way. I've got my medical collective set up. Hell, I'd actually make a larger profit if prop 19 fails. Less competition. But I refuse to be part of the "i gots mine" crowd.
And I just hope people can separate the facts from the misinformation and baseless speculation of the anti-prop19 crowd. According to the public polling and the voting on this forum your side is failing miserably at conning people into voting against prop 19.
Dan Kone
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Those links are filled with outright lies. Hope your proud of yourself for spreading misinformation.
How can you believe any random blog that says such things like:
That clearly goes against the basis of our entire legal system. Anyone who says anything like this is clearly not a credible source of information. You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading misinformation like this.
Scuba
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Compared to the present status of cannabis in California, many marijuana activists see this initiative as a giant leap backward. Ironically, it appears that marijuana is more “legal” in California today than it would be if this initiative were to pass.
The initiative itself is a hazy maze of regulations and controls, some of which are ambiguous and confusing even for those well-versed in marijuana law. Understandably, many who have entered the discussion seem to have bypassed the initiative altogether and gone straight to their own assumptions of what an initiative that claims to legalize marijuana might entail, injecting the debate with as many misconceptions as facts. But for an issue that would have such a direct and unprecedented impact on our daily lives, it’s crucial to decide your vote based on knowledge, rather than assumption.
alittle exert from our so called "lies" Don
The initiative itself is a hazy maze of regulations and controls, some of which are ambiguous and confusing even for those well-versed in marijuana law. Understandably, many who have entered the discussion seem to have bypassed the initiative altogether and gone straight to their own assumptions of what an initiative that claims to legalize marijuana might entail, injecting the debate with as many misconceptions as facts. But for an issue that would have such a direct and unprecedented impact on our daily lives, it’s crucial to decide your vote based on knowledge, rather than assumption.
alittle exert from our so called "lies" Don
Hayduke
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medicineman
New Member
Exactly, it is the card people VS the No card people. If you have a card, this initiative is a little pesky. If you don't, then it is a step forward. The growers VS the smokers Basically. Keeping retail prices above 300.00 an OZ is in the best interest of growers and retailers, not so much smokers though.