How to get growers card

[drewsb420]

good info dan, we need more educated stoners out there !

 

[CultivationArt]

LOL every thing in that artical prooves me right
what r you trying to proove to me....if you exeed the limits odds
out the police will just take your stash no ticket but never the less
prop 215 allows 8 oz of DRIED cannabis as well as 12 plants (total) only 6 being mature
at one time as far as the information on a exempt ill fax the paper work to my computer and
post exactly what i got stateing that im allowed to cultivate the COUNTY OF KERN maximumim
plant limit 50 plants la county is 99 as well as most others but my step dad said he can extend
anyones grow prevliges but only to the limit provided by the countys max plant limit not 99 to all people
he said 12 is the basic/standard california issued recamendation allows

 

[Dan Kone]

LOL every thing in that artical prooves me right
what r you trying to proove to me....

I'm not trying to prove anything to you. You keep claiming there is some sort of exempt license and expansion certificate to allow you to grow more than the normal state minimums. I've been in this business several years and this is the first time I've ever heard anything about it.

All I'm trying to do is ask you where I can find information on this "exempt license" and "expansion certificate"?

prop 215 allows 8 oz of DRIED cannabis as well as 12 plants (total) only 6 being mature
at one time

No it doesn't. Prop 215 doesn't include limits. That would be SB420.

SB420 also says this:

H &SC 11362.77 (b) If a qualified patient or primary caregiver has a doctor's recommendation that this quantity does not meet the qualified patient's medical needs, the qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess an amount of marijuana consistent with the patient's needs.

So yes, according to the law books, state AG guidelines, and California supreme court ruling a patient can have you to 99 plants if the doctor permits it.

 

[drewsb420]

ask ur pops if he can extend my plant limit my dood

 

[CultivationArt]

hollywood ca take the 5 to the 170 south hollywood freeway
then get off on cheuguea west ext make a right going west on cheuguea blvd take a right on selma and a left on wilcox
berkly medical center will be to left 30 dollar co pay for any visit unless its a directed follow up bring proof of adress
like a bill or something cause if you live in a certain area were you cant grow period he cant do it like near schools or areas were you must live 200 ft away to cultivate

ask ur pops if he can extend my plant limit my dood

 

[CultivationArt]

and yea that your right my bad i ment sb420 my dad pointed that one out and he said for me to read this
its stateing the laws of the kelly ruling and how you get to posses more and cultivate more and not anyone can get it
and the exempt licence is a state wide id card not a permit its self to grow more you need to get a certificant of expansion
from your doctor stating that what you have is simply not enough you have to go though a oarl and written exam
before anything you said it yourself once again "If a qualified patient or primary caregiver has a doctor's recommendation that this quantity does not meet the qualified patient's medical needs, the qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess an amount of marijuana consistent with the patient's needs." if your abbusing your right your not gonna get it

I'm not trying to prove anything to you. You keep claiming there is some sort of exempt license and expansion certificate to allow you to grow more than the normal state minimums. I've been in this business several years and this is the first time I've ever heard anything about it.

All I'm trying to do is ask you where I can find information on this "exempt license" and "expansion certificate"?



No it doesn't. Prop 215 doesn't include limits. That would be SB420.

SB420 also says this:



So yes, according to the law books, state AG guidelines, and California supreme court ruling a patient can have you to 99 plants if the doctor permits it.

 

[aeviaanah]

Yeah. Unfortunately when dealing with clubs it really doesn't matter how good the buds are if they are small, they just aren't as desirable. It's the #1 most important characteristic.

Are you saying bud size and density are the most sought after characteristics? I get good bud sizes but density is always a little tough, more on certain strains....i believe this is a result to lighting. I only use two 400 watters. Does co2 help this density as well?

Dan, you handle debates well. Showing quotes supporting your claims, providing links...and keeping it cool throughout the process.

I read the link about kellys vs people, very interesting. It seems (as you said) this will give you a defense in court but you will still have to prove the need for this many plants medically, correct? How would one go about this...basically a good lawyer right? It seems hard to prove (even with a lawyer) that 99 plants are needed for one persons medical needs. Am i missing something here?

 

[CultivationArt]

thats exactly what i was trying to say you have to prove your medical needs i never said it was impossible
i just said what my dad said that a standard cali recamendation allows you to cultivate 12 plants total and obtain 8 oz of dried flowers

Are you saying bud size and density are the most sought after characteristics? I get good bud sizes but density is always a little tough, more on certain strains....i believe this is a result to lighting. I only use two 400 watters. Does co2 help this density as well?

Dan, you handle debates well. Showing quotes supporting your claims, providing links...and keeping it cool throughout the process.

I read the link about kellys vs people, very interesting. It seems (as you said) this will give you a defense in court but you will still have to prove the need for this many plants medically, correct? How would one go about this...basically a good lawyer right? It seems hard to prove (even with a lawyer) that 99 plants are needed for one persons medical needs. Am i missing something here?

 

[aeviaanah]

glad we figured this out.

 

[Dan Kone]

Are you saying bud size and density are the most sought after characteristics?

Yeah, sort of. I mean weak are weak buds and buyers can definitely tell the difference, they look at buds all day. But if the buds aren't big enough through out the pound then they won't buy it as top shelf ever. Smaller buds can never get past the $45 (maybe $50 if extremely good) pricing.

I get good bud sizes but density is always a little tough, more on certain strains...

.

Well yeah, if it's a strain like casey jones, it's obviously going to be fluffy. That might knock $100-200 dollars off the price of a pound, but it's not as important as actual size.

i believe this is a result to lighting. I only use two 400 watters. Does co2 help this density as well?

I think it's a result of heat more than lighting. I've noticed certain strains fluff up in the heat. If I can keep my room temp in the 70s I don't usually get fluffy buds. High 80's and I definitely get density issues. I'm not sure about co2 helping with density much. Definitely helps with yield. I've grown the same strains with and without co2 and they turned out pretty similar in density.

Dan, you handle debates well. Showing quotes supporting your claims, providing links...and keeping it cool throughout the process.

Not always. I try though. But I do my best to discuss the facts.

I read the link about kellys vs people, very interesting. It seems (as you said) this will give you a defense in court but you will still have to prove the need for this many plants medically, correct? How would one go about this...basically a good lawyer right? It seems hard to prove (even with a lawyer) that 99 plants are needed for one persons medical needs. Am i missing something here?

As of right now, the state AG guidelines seem to be as important as prop 215. Over 99 plants can possibly get you attention from feds, in which case all bets are off.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1601_medicalmarijuanaguidelines.pdf

It's not exactly strait forward, but as I'm aware, local police all around California are required to comply with them.

quoting from the state AG guidelines:

a) MMP:2 Qualified patients and primary caregivers who possess a stateissued
identification card may possess 8 oz. of dried marijuana, and may
maintain no more than 6 mature or 12 immature plants per qualified patient.
(§ 11362.77(a).) But, if “a qualified patient or primary caregiver has a
doctor’s recommendation that this quantity does not meet the qualified
patient’s medical needs, the qualified patient or primary caregiver may
possess an amount of marijuana consistent with the patient’s needs.”
(§ 11362.77(b).) Only the dried mature processed flowers or buds of the
female cannabis plant should be considered when determining allowable
quantities of medical marijuana for purposes of the MMP. (§ 11362.77(d).)

 

[Dan Kone]

and yea that your right my bad i ment sb420 my dad pointed that one out and he said for me to read this
its stateing the laws of the kelly ruling and how you get to posses more and cultivate more and not anyone can get it
and the exempt licence is a state wide id card not a permit its self to grow more you need to get a certificant of expansion
from your doctor stating that what you have is simply not enough you have to go though a oarl and written exam
before anything you said it yourself once again "If a qualified patient or primary caregiver has a doctor's recommendation that this quantity does not meet the qualified patient's medical needs, the qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess an amount of marijuana consistent with the patient's needs." if your abbusing your right your not gonna get it

Actually that all does sound correct. (it's a little hard to read, but I think I get it).

This is from the state AG guidelines. It's saying something very similar to what you are saying about the state ID card.

1. Physician Recommendation: Patients must have a written or verbal
recommendation for medical marijuana from a licensed physician. (§ 11362.5(d).)
2. State of California Medical Marijuana Identification Card: Under the
MMP, qualified patients and their primary caregivers may voluntarily apply for a
card issued by DPH identifying them as a person who is authorized to use, possess,
or transport marijuana grown for medical purposes. To help law enforcement
officers verify the cardholder’s identity, each card bears a unique identification
number, and a verification database is available online (www.calmmp.ca.gov). In
addition, the cards contain the name of the county health department that approved
the application, a 24-hour verification telephone number, and an expiration date.
(§§ 11362.71(a); 11362.735(a)(3)-(4); 11362.745.)
3. Proof of Qualified Patient Status: Although verbal recommendations are
technically permitted under Proposition 215, patients should obtain and carry
written proof of their physician recommendations to help them avoid arrest. A
state identification card is the best form of proof, because it is easily verifiable and
provides immunity from arrest if certain conditions are met (see section III.B.4,
below). The next best forms of proof are a city- or county-issued patient
identification card, or a written recommendation from a physician.

That basically says that a state issued ID card can give you immunity from arrest in certain conditions.

 

[aeviaanah]

Yeah, sort of. I mean weak are weak buds and buyers can definitely tell the difference, they look at buds all day. But if the buds aren't big enough through out the pound then they won't buy it as top shelf ever. Smaller buds can never get past the $45 (maybe $50 if extremely good) pricing.

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Well yeah, if it's a strain like casey jones, it's obviously going to be fluffy. That might knock $100-200 dollars off the price of a pound, but it's not as important as actual size.



I think it's a result of heat more than lighting. I've noticed certain strains fluff up in the heat. If I can keep my room temp in the 70s I don't usually get fluffy buds. High 80's and I definitely get density issues. I'm not sure about co2 helping with density much. Definitely helps with yield. I've grown the same strains with and without co2 and they turned out pretty similar in density.

Interesting point regarding heat. I am slowly reducing heat as the months pass by installing new ventilation systems/fans. Currently lows are 77 and highs are 88, which isn't bad for a small closet with two 400watt hps. I will continue to strive for lower temperatures. Again, thanks for the information.

Not always. I try though. But I do my best to discuss the facts.



As of right now, the state AG guidelines seem to be as important as prop 215. Over 99 plants can possibly get you attention from feds, in which case all bets are off.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1601_medicalmarijuanaguidelines.pdf

It's not exactly strait forward, but as I'm aware, local police all around California are required to comply with them.

quoting from the state AG guidelines:

Take 25 plants for example, how could one prove this much use for marijuana? I do not have any life threatening diseases or extreme pain etc. Is this where the lawyer comes in for defense?

 

[Dan Kone]

Take 25 plants for example, how could one prove this much use for marijuana? I do not have any life threatening diseases or extreme pain etc. Is this where the lawyer comes in for defense?

Nah. That's where your doctor comes in. I'd tell your doctor that you can only grow outdoors and you need to grow a years supply all at once because you can't afford dispensaries. The SB420 limits allow only 8ounces. That's probably fine for indoor growers, but for people who grow one outdoor crop per year that is not nearly enough. That comes out to about .6 grams per day. If you can get your doctor to say you need more than that, then you're good.

Also, as cultivation art says, a state issued ID card sounds like a wise investment as well.

 

[CultivationArt]

im so glad were on the right page now yea the only con on haveing a state issued id (exempt licence) i think its a street name out here now though sorry about the mix up guys : ( is you get put in federal govermental database aka the system
i would know im in it lol so the feds can easily find you but im no screw up so im pretty sure i have nothing to worry about

Nah. That's where your doctor comes in. I'd tell your doctor that you can only grow outdoors and you need to grow a years supply all at once because you can't afford dispensaries

and exactly what i said i cant afford despenerarys prices and i smoked more than i grew lol

 

[Dan Kone]

: ( is you get put in federal govermental database aka the system

I'm unsure if the state shares that information with the feds but that is a very good point and worth looking into.

and exactly what i said i cant afford despenerarys prices and i smoked more than i grew lol

Yeah. If you go by that state limit (8oz dried product/6mature plants), that comes out to about .6 grams per day of medicine. It's entirely reasonable to ask a doctor to extend that limit on the claim that you grow one crop per year outdoors.

on a side note - fuck! I'm so sick of trimming! It's been every day all day for over a month and I haven't even started harvesting my main crop yet! This sucks!

 

[CultivationArt]

haha me too tis the season but not just mine all my buddys too haha

I'm unsure if the state shares that information with the feds but that is a very good point and worth looking into.



Yeah. If you go by that state limit (8oz dried product/6mature plants), that comes out to about .6 grams per day of medicine. It's entirely reasonable to ask a doctor to extend that limit on the claim that you grow one crop per year outdoors.

on a side note - fuck! I'm so sick of trimming! It's been every day all day for over a month and I haven't even started harvesting my main crop yet! This sucks!

 

[drewsb420]

buy a trim reaper

 

[Dan Kone]

buy a trim reaper

What's that? A trim machine? Those things knock the crystals off the buds. I like my crystals just where they are.

 

[CultivationArt]

yea me too, the slower it takes to harvest, better looking, better tasting, and more potent bud.
i just hook my friends up with a half oz each (after I cured it MY way) to help me lol

 

[drewsb420]

your talking about trimming for a month straight bro just sayin if ur commerical its a must