Bill Collectors

billcollector99

Well-Known Member
And debt validation letters work quite well, however they do not have a 100 % success rate. If it doesnt work the first time, send it again.

Also a simple letter with this statement will save you a lot of harrassment. "Cease and desist all further communications with me, unless in writing"

A lot of collection agencies are shady, and break the law when trying to collect a debt, it is very easy to catch them doing so by recording your conversation, lately the going rate for FDCPA violations is 1,000 a pop. Meaning you can hire a lawyer, and sue the collection agency for violating their laws.
 

NBKA

Active Member
Pay your fucking bills period, if your not, YOU ARE JUST LIKE THE OTHER LEACHS THAT DONT TAKE CARE OF THERE OWN and suck off others!
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
She will pay her debts just as soon as all the Banks pay back all that bailout money to the American people with interest. Think thats ever going to happen?
 

redivider

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i'm just sayin...

not paying your debts will be more of an inconvenience for you, than anybody else.

and fraud is a very broad term. there's all sorts of fraud under current law, and it's not you, nor the other party, it's lawyers who benefit.

and not paying your bills is one way to get caught growing weed.... so that's a no-no anyways.....:joint::joint:
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
This is For those people who may have lost their jobs and are barely making it and need more time to pay bills or might just need to get some debt erased. .
Just quoting myself here, obviously SOME people (you know who you are) feel that you and your family should go without food and shelter, medicine, or clothing until you pay your debt. And if its still not possible to pay off, then they advocate prison for you. Does that sound like a bleeding heart liberal or some soulless Conservative? Some people just don't give a fuck if your destitute.
 

angelsbandit

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Why not contact the lender and make arrangements to pay your debt when you can, instead of basically stealing from the person who trusted you, and gave you the money you needed?
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
i'm just sayin...

not paying your debts will be more of an inconvenience for you, than anybody else.

and fraud is a very broad term. there's all sorts of fraud under current law, and it's not you, nor the other party, it's lawyers who benefit.

and not paying your bills is one way to get caught growing weed.... so that's a no-no anyways.....:joint::joint:
Not paying your electric bill is a good way to get caught growing weed. How is not paying your Delta Skymiles Visa going to get you caught growing?:-?
 

CaRNiFReeK

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I have made some bad credit choices in my lifetime. At one point I decided that I needed to get it cleaned up. I wasn't looking at jail or anything, but I thought I may want to buy a house one day, or a car, or a sleep number bed. I began by writing letters to all creditors that held my debts. I have pretty good credit today. Not quite 700, but almost. I began the following process about 6 years ago, and have NO debt today. The biggest challenge is not paying off debt, but repairing credit, and there are few shortcuts. Here is how I did it.

I wrote one letter, and changed the name and the amount of the debt owed accordingly. I got all of that info from my credit report. To each creditor I let it be known that I was "interested in paying the debt IN FULL and not interested in making payments. Would they consider a settlement offer that would help facilitate a PAID IN FULL balance"? Also very important is the following line: "Please correspond by mail only. Do not contact me by phone." I provided a current address and phone number so that I could receive any settlement offer. The reason that you provide a phone number anyway is because according to the law, they cannot contact you by phone if you request that they only contact you by mail. If they do, then the debt is null and void.

Make 2 copies of each letter, staple the receipt for the certified mail to your copy along with the date mailed. SAVE EVERYTHING in a folder. SAVE EVERYTHING, You are building a paper trail, it cannot be over stressed.

The reason for this step is not to weasel out of paying a just debt, but to reach an amicable agreement with the collectors. Collection agencies PURCHASE your debt from the original creditor for a small amount of your original debt. Your creditor has already written you off by the time the collector gets it. The idea, like any good business deal is to arrive at a number that everyone can be happy with. If I buy your $1000 debt for $300 bucks, I will absolutely settle that debt with you for $500. The original creditor is happy because he got $300 and did not have to bear the expense in time or money to get a judgment against you, and then legally go about securing that debt. The collctor is happy because he made $200 bucks, and you are happy because you had 50% knocked off of your debt. There was something in it for everyone. This is highly philosophical, and you should not expect to pay back all of your debts at a 50% rate because you have no idea what the collector paid your creditor for that debt. If a collector will not work with you, he may not have the wiggle room.

The next step was to wait for the offers. I only saw an 18% reduction of actual debt when the first round of letters came back, and I stapled each offer to the appropriate stack. I had 2 debts that were problematic:

The first one was an old hospital bill that I could not afford to pay. I received the services, and I was happy with the services, I just could not afford the $1200. The debt was sold to a collector who charged me a whopping 36% interest rate, and when I sent them a payment they mailed the check back to me. They wanted payment in full. I could not hope to have $3000 to pay them in full at any given time. It is only half true that if they refuse to take payments that absolves you from that debt. I sent them another letter demanding a FAIR settlement offer. (Since the original debt was $1200, and they are a third party, they were only entitled to a STATUTORY RATE OF INTEREST on the ORIGINAL BALANCE. In my state that rate is 6% annual and it is different in every state. Their "offer" was not fair, (or legal) and I told them so.) I ended up writing them a 3rd letter informing them that they would receive nothing until I had a day in court. They waited 18 months to get me in a courtroom, and by then the balance owed was $4200. I presented all of the paperwork to their legal representative, (there was no judge at the hearing) explained to them that I understood that their interest rate was USURY. Their rep made me an offer at the statutory rate of interest for the whole time that had elapsed since hospitalization, but compounding monthly. I politely declined. When it finally got before a judge, I ended up paying $600. HALF of the original debt of $1200, NO INTEREST, and the judge ripped the legal rep a new one right in front of everyone. On the surface, this seems good. But it allowed the collector to put a JUDGEMENT on my credit report that made it very difficult to get NEW credit which is helpful in raising your score.

The other problem I ran into was from a 10 year old phone bill in the amount of $900. The phone company did not sell this debt, and that gave them the ability to repost this debt to my credit report year after year. They actually reposted it after 5 years, and again after 3 years. This is actually legal. They say it falls off after 7 years, but that isn't true. JUDGEMENTS fall off after 7 years. An original, non 3rd party debt can continue to alert the credit bureaus that your debt is not paid long after that. They do have a contract after all, and it was not in their best interest to settle for less. They were not coming after me, they were just being a nuisance. It wasn't that I didn't owe it. I owed it and I knew it. The problem was that a roommate used an AOL dial up number to a long distance city and stayed online for hours and hours. Before I got so stretched out, I asked the phone company to help me out by restricting long distance calls or something, but they refused. I didn't think it was fair... You get the idea. Ultimately I made the choice to pay them off.

All told, my efforts saved me about 29% of all of my original debts. Some of the debts simply disappeared with the first letter. Some settled for less, some for a lot less, others didn't settle at all, a couple played hardball. I paid off interest bearing debt first, then started with the small, and moved up to the larger debts. Paying the debt off only took (mostly) about 6 months once I wrote those first letters.

Repairing credit takes a LONG time. Just because your debt is paid does not mean that your credit is repaired, but it will take a lot longer to repair if you don't pay, make all of your payments on time, try not to get any judgements, DON'T CANCEL CREDIT CARDS. NEVER NEVER NEVER pay 30 days late!
 

NoDrama

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I canceled all of my credit cards 10 years ago. I had 3 of them things. It didn't hurt my credit score. My score is very very good.
 

redivider

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credit cards are bullshit. DEBIT all the way.

debit cards now have awards programs that compete with the best credit cards miles programs.
 

NoDrama

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credit cards are bullshit. DEBIT all the way.

debit cards now have awards programs that compete with the best credit cards miles programs.
100% agree, my debit card pays me back 6% of my purchases, needless to say my card is used to pay for EVERYTHING! I made nearly $500 back last year!
 

CaRNiFReeK

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Credit cards are bullshit. From the perspective of rebuilding credit, however, you will not do yourself any favors by getting rid of your credit cards. If you reduce the amount of available credit that you have available, it puts up a flag to future lenders that even you know that you are not worthy of credit.
 

redivider

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actually, getting rid of credit cards after you've acquired the credit to say, buy a house, a car, or whatever you need, is touted as one of the smartest personal finance moves you can make, because it is.

say your credit card charges you 14% on purchases, that amount, over the course of one year can build up in such a way that you'll end up paying 250% or more of the purchase price of all products bought on credit.

yes, it's that extreme. the credit card company only wants you to look at that 14%. truth is you pay a lot LOT LOOOOOOOT more.... learned that in a corporate finance elective in college and have never forgot it. the first time i built an amortization table for a credit card debt paying the minimum monthly balance, something somebody my age at the time would do to build credit, showed me how a 1000 dollar entertainment center would end up costing more than 3,000 over the course of a year and a half or so. it's ugly but it's the TRUTH.

AFTER you've already built that credit up, and have already used that high credit score to make all your big purchases (car, house, flat screen tv hehe) then take all those suckers and chop them up in the Osterizer.

a good way to keep a good credit score without dealing with credit cards is doing all financing in-house (most retailers in the US have that feature now a days). they'll charge you an interest percent, but since each account is independent from the other, the build-up effect of credit card interest against the balance is reduced.

the US has made a big deal about credit scores in the last few years, but i know of a few families that have been struggling up to the point where they got rid of credit cards. once those balances were paid, and they got rid of the cards, things got better.

i knew one guy who never built credit in his LIFE. cash all the way. only plastic in his wallet was his ID, sams card, and i think that's it. he lives a'la old school, no atm, he goes to the bank during business hours to take money out. he did live in a rental house (which i personally see as counting as him having credit, but he argued fiercely otherwise) for 20+ years while he saved up the cash for a house, which he bought, amazingly with a duffelbag full of 100's, his lawyer, 2 private armed guards at the site.... every time i hear the story i laugh, it's almost cartoonish how he chooses to live..... not saying that's how everybody should live, but it's possible.

credit does make life easier i guess.... but it's a double edged sword. i mean, if you see the price on something, and it says 100 dollars, and i tell you, i'll buy it for you, but you give me 250 back, you'll probably tell me to fuck off..... yet we all do it when we buy something on credit and only pay just above the minimum required......
 

CaRNiFReeK

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@Redivider,
Agreed. Cut up the credit cards after you have established the credit. I have kept all of my credit card because for one, I appreciate being debt free now that I have dug myself out of debt, and do not fail to pay my bill every month. Second, I never spend more on the card that I cannot afford to pay in cash. Finally, I pay my balance not the minimum payment every month and it has helped me build my credit back up. However, if I had cut up all of my credit cards back when my credit score was in the 500's, I would have had no credit to build.
 
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