Making Feminized Seeds w/ 1 Plant - Is it possible?

[WeedMAchine26]

One female, producing pollen, seeds and normal female smokable buds at the same time? (Read below for explanation)


So apparently one way to make feminized seeds would be using colloidal silver, which produces a localized effect. With this in mind could I (1) spray ONLY ONE segment of my female plant, making it go male, and leave the other 2 alone. After this segment goes male and starts making pollen, could I then (2) pollinate one of the other segments of the plant, making it produce feminized seeds (is seed producing localized to only the stalk that received pollen - or is this a "plant-wide" process?) At the same time could the third, completely untouched stalk (3) be left to flower normally, and thus produce smoke-able buds? (I would snip off the silver treated male segment once I get some of its pollen (or beforehand and let it grow to develop pollen elsewhere), to avoid it pollinating my normal female bud segment.) (4) Would all of this also work on a female that was born from a feminized seed? (5)On top of that would this work if the strain were an autoflowering one like EasyRyder?

Sorry this question is so long, and possibly ridiculous sounding. Ive been doing a lot of research about this but cant seem to find a concise answer/explanation.

 

[1gne]

bruh i was thinking alone those line. get one already fem kepper spray her dwn. get the pollen poppin. than possibly cross pollinate. i think it would work but idk. need to in put from EXPERIENCED GROWER!!

so bump bump bump help plz

-1gne
peace

 

[WeedMAchine26]

bump, come one someone must know

 

[aeviaanah]

IMO...it would work. Will not be easy tho, a branch with male parts has the tendency to pollinate all other branches. When breeding with hermie pollen you induce the hermie gene to offspring, in the future you may only want bud and the hermie will sneak up on you...pollinating your whole crop. This is possible but the amount of work hardly makes sense...why not have two plants?

 

[WeedMAchine26]

Very limited space and money atm, just wondering what would be most efficient. And if it hermied only after stress, sure it is a "hermi-able" plant as all are, but just because I forced it go hermie doesnt make its pollen or offspring weaker and more likley to go hermie as well.

 

[aeviaanah]

i believe it does. it induces the hermie gene. making plant more apt to hermie with less involved stress. there is a difference between genetic hermie and stress hermie. a plant with hermie traits fall under genetics...does not need stress to show male flowers. you are right, all plants have potential to hermie under stress.

 

[Punk]

i believe it does. it induces the hermie gene. making plant more apt to hermie with less involved stress. there is a difference between genetic hermie and stress hermie. a plant with hermie traits fall under genetics...does not need stress to show male flowers. you are right, all plants have potential to hermie under stress.

You would be correct. You would end up with unhealthy plants going hermie on you. You want to use that pollen on a healthy female. If you want to use the exact same female, then make clones and do it.

 

[aeviaanah]

You would be correct. You would end up with unhealthy plants going hermie on you. You want to use that pollen on a healthy female. If you want to use the exact same female, then make clones and do it.

i agree. SMELLS LIKE HAY...ITS OK! haha classic. figure out that hay problem yet? im still getting that on some strains as well.

 

[WeedMAchine26]

You would be correct. You would end up with unhealthy plants going hermie on you. You want to use that pollen on a healthy female. If you want to use the exact same female, then make clones and do it.

So CS does more than just introduce stress, it genetically alters the plant pollen as well? If it were just stress than thered be no reason as to why female pollen would be any more likely to go hermi than the female plant it came from, right? The pollen would just be an exact copy of its mother.

 

[aeviaanah]

The pollen would carry the genetic traits of the mother and within this genotype lies a trait of hermaphrodism. This hermaphrodism is caused by the colloidal silver. Some of the offspring will exhibit it more than others, some or all may never even show it. It really deals with the genetics of that particular strain and the environmental stresses within the grow itself.

 

[Cabron1]

The pollen would carry the genetic traits of the mother and within this genotype lies a trait of hermaphrodism. This hermaphrodism is caused by the colloidal silver. Some of the offspring will exhibit it more than others, some or all may never even show it. It really deals with the genetics of that particular strain and the environmental stresses within the grow itself.

You kids are so confused that I just had to clear this up as it really get's me aggravated to read this.


Colloidal silver will not alter a plant's dna in any way so don't even go there..

If you use it on a proven solid mother ,you can pollenate the same mother ,be it another cut of her that is accompanying the reversed pollen producer ,or if some
pollen happens to fertilize some of the pistils on the same reversed mother and produces seed,these will also be of the same dna and will offer the exact same results.


For anybody to even draw a BS conclusion that a plant that has been reversed (with colloidal silver) and produces seeds bearing hermaphrodite plants only due to the practice and utilization of CS is talking out their ass and doesn't have a clue..


It is solely dependent upon the P1 chosen,and her genetic disposition.


Black and white!

 

[Cabron1]

By the way..before any of you decide to argue with me,,I don't have time to dialog on this matter
but would like to bring you up to speed as to why I can speak with a certainty and authority.

I am the individual that introduced colloidal silver and it's application to ethylene alteration in
cannabis and horticulture for that matter years ago at Cannabis World.

Everybody else was altering photo periods or burning their plants up with silver thiosulphate.

I decided to get outside of the box,,,worked wonders as you see today..

Most just don't pay attention to details that I documented such as low DC voltage
6-9 vdc and the use of an air stone for excessive dissolved oxygen levels which
allows the silver anode to create micron sized particles.



Good luck with your attempts.

 

[aeviaanah]

...Do you have any quotes/links to support these claims? My response of CS altering a plants dna was poorly expressed. More clearly I should have stated, an increase of hermaphrodism trait will be shown in offspring.

It seems "G" over at cannabisculture.com disagrees. A few quotes taken from the link below.
The Truth About Feminized Seeds - Cannibus Culture

However, silver linings often have a cloud attached and it was true in this case. The female plants that developed from hermaphroditic seeds had the drawback of being far more likely than ordinary plants to develop male branches – turn “Herman” – when stressed. More than once, a power, pump or light failure caused enough stress to the plants that they easily went hermaphroditic. Outdoors we had even more trouble; in bad-weather years we could end up with a plant from a feminized seed developing male flowers and blowing pollen all over the other plants, ruining our dreams of a sinsemilla crop. We decided that feminized plants might have a place in our business’ industry, but it wouldn’t be in our gardens.

Sensi seeds also has something to say...Sensiseeds.com - feminized seeds

However, until quite recently, feminised seeds did not perform as well in practice as they did in theory, with unacceptable tendencies towards hermaphrodism, irregularity and unexpected growth. Hence, Sensi Seeds did not offer any varieties of feminised seed for sale until they could be sure such seeds were up to their exacting quality standards.

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these will also be of the same dna and will offer the exact same results.

Will not offer same results, offspring have increased potential to become hermaphrodites.

 

[Griffin09]

I read somewheres that if you leave the buds on too long the female will think its dying and will polinate itse;f so that when it dies the strain/plant would not extinct. Now i dont know if it is axactly true or not. Would like to hear someone else oppinion about it

 

[aeviaanah]

I read somewheres that if you leave the buds on too long the female will think its dying and will polinate itse;f so that when it dies the strain/plant would not extinct. Now i dont know if it is axactly true or not. Would like to hear someone else oppinion about it

Interesting, Ive also heard that years ago.

 

[aeviaanah]

I read somewheres that if you leave the buds on too long the female will think its dying and will polinate itse;f so that when it dies the strain/plant would not extinct. Now i dont know if it is axactly true or not. Would like to hear someone else oppinion about it

I found this quote here that supports what you are saying...http://feminized-seeds.org/?p=7

A method used by organic growers and promulgated by the famous Cannabis breeder Soma, is called ‘Rodelization’, or letting unpollenated female plants live several weeks longer than the normal harvest time. In such plants a hermaphroditic trait will self express in effort to continue the genetic line; the fact this method utilizes auto hermaphroditic traits which could contribute to instability in a plant’s genetics is offset by grower observations that the tendency to auto-switch sex is not great in plants grown from seeds made this way, and the fact that it occurs naturally without effort on the part of the cultivator.

Cabron, here is another... http://feminized-seeds.org/?p=7

However, other cultivators claim that the genes responsible for hermaphroditism are present and may be activated under stress from any of the above methods and that once activated can be passed to seeds regardless of how it was activated. Traditional theories of inheritance would not have allowed for the passing of genetic alterations an adult has acquired after birth (called Epigenetics) but there is evidence that when a gene is activated in a mother after her birth that expression can be passed on to her offspring.

In biology, and specifically genetics, epigenetics is the study of inherited changes in phenotype (appearance) or gene expression caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence, hence the name epi- (Greek: επί- over, above) -genetics. These changes may remain through cell divisions for the remainder of the cell's life and may also last for multiple generations. However, there is no change in the underlying DNA sequence of the organism;[1] instead, non-genetic factors cause the organism's genes to behave (or "express themselves") differently.[2]

If you don't have time, you don't have time...don't come in here and disagree without providing some type of evidence to support your claims. If you can cite some good data I may accept what you have to say and I will then state that i stand corrected and informed. Until then, this is the information I am going off of. I am just wondering if you will have time to come back and debate with me...possibly I may learn something new.

 

[Spanishfly]

I just BUY them - they work !!!!

 

[Cabron1]

aev

I'll make time for you,since I'm in a good mood and you seem eager to learn,,that my friend is rare today,most think they know it all
and in actuality are absent of even the basics.

The quote from your boy "G" whoever in the hell that is ,actually explains itself,,he claims that the plants from hermaphroditic seeds
went hermie on him,,,,well no kidding...

It's simple ,,,,I feel so many here are over thinking obvious facts..

You must first establish a solid female....

How do I know it's solid? I know her background and have proven
her in practice by breeding her.

She won't reverse even when exposed to many irregularities and stress
her offspring will be the same,never reversing.


Now utilize this gal as a P1 parent (pollen donor) via CS reversal,to use
this pollen on an equally outstanding and proven P1 parent or a cut of
itself.


You will have a successful experience with Femmed breeding..

This principal is solid,,it's just up to you,the cannabis enthusiast ,to
select that proper P1 parent.

Selection!!!! that is all you should focus on..


Don't believe a thing you read on these forums,unless you can prove it
to yourself in practice,personally.


I'm very active on many engineering based technical forums and endeavors
and nothing is more convoluted,then info being passed on these marijuana
forums...


Go and figure,,,

You simply cannot take 90% of what is touted on these boards as truth,,,

truth is 90% is in gross error and is pure BS!

Do your own research my friend,,I've already done it,passed that test and
am now busy engineering greenhouses in MI for people with $$$ that love
Horticulture as much as I do...


High pressure low volume aeroponic systems with max yield is my focus.




I wish you the best...

 

[iampolluted]

CS isn't cheap, and the stuff from GNC isn't strong enough. IMO, the BEST way to get femmed seeds is to let 1 go past your harvest date and keep checking for male banana's. take those banana's and use the pollen from them on a female plant. it's a simple, no stress way to get femmed seeds. to get the CS you'd need, you'd have to have some very old coins, and a battery charger to extract the silver.

 

[aeviaanah]

aev

I'll make time for you,since I'm in a good mood and you seem eager to learn,,that my friend is rare today,most think they know it all
and in actuality are absent of even the basics.

The quote from your boy "G" whoever in the hell that is ,actually explains itself,,he claims that the plants from hermaphroditic seeds
went hermie on him,,,,well no kidding...

It's simple ,,,,I feel so many here are over thinking obvious facts..

You must first establish a solid female....

How do I know it's solid? I know her background and have proven
her in practice by breeding her.

She won't reverse even when exposed to many irregularities and stress
her offspring will be the same,never reversing.


Now utilize this gal as a P1 parent (pollen donor) via CS reversal,to use
this pollen on an equally outstanding and proven P1 parent or a cut of
itself.


You will have a successful experience with Femmed breeding..

This principal is solid,,it's just up to you,the cannabis enthusiast ,to
select that proper P1 parent.

Selection!!!! that is all you should focus on..


Don't believe a thing you read on these forums,unless you can prove it
to yourself in practice,personally.


I'm very active on many engineering based technical forums and endeavors
and nothing is more convoluted,then info being passed on these marijuana
forums...


Go and figure,,,

You simply cannot take 90% of what is touted on these boards as truth,,,

truth is 90% is in gross error and is pure BS!

Do your own research my friend,,I've already done it,passed that test and
am now busy engineering greenhouses in MI for people with $$$ that love
Horticulture as mush as I do...


High pressure low volume aeroponic systems with max yield is my focus.




I wish you the best...

Of course one would need to start with a healthy mother...one that will not hermie easily in the first place. If a particular female is exhibiting traits such as going hermie easily, why would we breed her? Makes no sense. Yes, I do agree a good female would need to be chosen to even think about breeding. Is sounds like you are more or less explaining how to use CS in a smart and efficient manner. I was more interested in what is happening genetically with the offspring...and after reading around it does seem that changing a gene expression (in the mother) that this could then be passed to offspring...as explained by epigenetics.