Genetics question

[CottonMouthStoner1200]

Ok, so if you want to have more production increase, you clone, that way you don't have to risk getting a male from seeds or hermi. So lets say you make a clone. and another clone from that. and another, another.. until at least 10 gen. later. How is if possible for the 10th plant to lose genes? And what if one somehow gets polyploidy? anyways, just wondering about that. I've heard arguing stories of people saying either it loses genes through phenotype, which contradicts the whole idea of cloning. If you take any certain biomass and clone it any number of times, it should be the same all throughout. Although, I know certain hormones age. So I guess it all depends on its biological clock then?

 

[CrazyBudz]

i think people just over analize shit sometimes to try n 1 up other people!!

 

[Youngling]

I don't know man. It's kinda like a copy of a copy of a copy. Farther down the line it's not exactly the same anymore. Similar but not the same.

Just my logic. I don't know much about plant DNA.

 

[CottonMouthStoner1200]

I guess that makes sense. But is it only theoretical? Is there a grower out there who can either prove this myth or confirm it?

 

[Drifter126]

Kinda makes me wonder too.What about the strains that have been around for 30 or 40 years?Are they just as good as the original?I for one say YES..

 

[jawbrodt]

From what I understand, stresses placed upon your plant, degrade the genetics, over time. Say for example, you fertburn them on run #2, have nutelock on run #4, and so on and so forth....those stresses will carry with the plants DNA/genetics, forever, slowly degrading.

It's definitely true, because I've had major problems before, like week 2-3 of veg, and although the plants recovered okay, and produced okay, but the strain remained damaged forever. It's clones we're mutated,(weird, asymmetrical growth) even though in otherwise perfect health, and never looked the same again. The genetics were certainly damaged/degraded.

 

[CottonMouthStoner1200]

So how do seed companies keep quality genetics over a period of 50 years? Like is our white widow the same one more than 5 decades ago, if lets say, perfect genetics? How do they get seeds to have key genetics without having to pop one and test its growth?

So an environmental factor can affect genes permanently? thats almost like saying something was exposed to radiation and it totally changed the cell structure for instance

 

[jethead]

They take the best male and female when they breed for seeds. p.s. White Widow hasn't been around that long.

 

[CrazyBudz]

if i underdtand it correctly then....
when seed companys make new strains they breed like hella generations and make sure its stable....then market the product after generations and generations..!!

 

[jethead]

if i underdtand it correctly then....
when seed companys make new strains they breed like hella generations and make sure its stable....then market the product after generations and generations..!!

I'm not an expert but that is the way I was told

 

[jethead]

i think people just over analize shit sometimes to try n 1 up other people!!

Oh ya CB, your absolutely right.I try not to. It hurts my head

 

[jawbrodt]

So how do seed companies keep quality genetics over a period of 50 years? Like is our white widow the same one more than 5 decades ago, if lets say, perfect genetics? How do they get seeds to have key genetics without having to pop one and test its growth?

It's simple,...they lie to us. The White Widow we get, isn't the exact same White Widow that was so amazing back when it came out? They keep it white, they keep it potent, and keep all the quality traits, but also include back-crossing with other strains, and all kinds of other tricks, that typically make it better than the original, yet still market it as the original White Widow. Is it exactly the same as the first plant that was unveiled to the world as "White Widow"? No. Especially from some of the crap seedbanks out there. I doubt they have any original WW in them at all.

Take for example Crystal, a strain I've grown. It was a cup winner in 2001(I think), but as you look though seedbanks, some will tell you it's a WW/Ice, cross, but then other's will add things like "But, it's be re-backcrossed with Blueberry, for extra yield, potency,..." or some shit like that. Sorta makes ya wonder, right? IDK exactly how it all works, but I do believe that the Crystal plant I've grown, is not an exact genetic copy of that plant that sat on the podium, in the 2001 Highlife Cup. It may be really similar, but I really have my doubts as to it being an exact genetic copy. Seems impossible, to me. IDK man, like I said, I'm no expert. But, I am a suspicious bastard,lol always testing things, finding inconsistencies, etc... and all I can say, is that I'd love to get the inside scoop, from someone who truly knows. Or, better yet, work for some top-notch breeders, and learn the truths, firsthand, because I'm just too fuckin skeptical to believe word of mouth.

 

[CottonMouthStoner1200]

Well breeding and propagation are two different factors of development of the plant/creation of new plants. Anyhow, I asked my science teacher, and he told me that the genes would be kept the same, despite environmental factors, it would only make the quality poor if you fuck up one generation.

Or, better yet, work for some top-notch breeders, and learn the truths, firsthand, because I'm just too fuckin skeptical to believe word of mouth

I agree with this, and as for this:

Take for example Crystal, a strain I've grown. It was a cup winner in 2001(I think), but as you look though seedbanks, some will tell you it's a WW/Ice, cross, but then other's will add things like "But, it's be re-backcrossed with Blueberry, for extra yield, potency,..." or some shit like that. Sorta makes ya wonder, right? IDK exactly how it all works, but I do believe that the Crystal plant I've grown, is not an exact genetic copy of that plant that sat on the podium, in the 2001 Highlife Cup. It may be really similar, but I really have my doubts as to it being an exact genetic copy.

If you think about it, those plants may have had unique genetics that adhered to the judges for that year, and lets say over time the original group sold their seeds to various re-distributors who may have alternated product lines to either create variety, as well as an increase in sales. They basically slap on that label because it attracts well-informed customers who are enthusiasts about growing and what not.. of course you have all us who just consume. Thats kinda besides the point. But yeah, from an economic perspective, it would be reasonable to do that to create revenue.

 

[CottonMouthStoner1200]

Found a rather well quote, from http://www.marijuanagenetics.com/

True-breeding marijuana plants will produce true to type if reproduced from their own seeds, so different generations will share similar characteristics. True-breeding strains are either: (1) Pure-breeds: traditional land races that have only interbred with similar strains and so have almost identical genes or (2) Stabilized Hybrids: Hybrids that have been created by breeders but then continually inbred until their marijuana plant characteristics are stabilized from generation to generation.