Where Can I Find Patients?

Mr. Weash

Mr. Weash

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I have been saving up to move to Co and start being a care-giver and open a dispensary.

How difficult is it to find patients to grow for?
Is there any sites that one could go to that would have my contact info as a willing care-giver?
 
quietguy420

quietguy420

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It all depends on what your offering your patients for their grow rights. Some people offer a one time sign up free 1/8..... others offer an ounce a month. If the latter, just post on Clist when you get out here and you will be flooded with emails from people looking to get a fair deal from a real caregiver.
 
SoCoMMJ

SoCoMMJ

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Agreed, if you provide good product and service to your patients you will have no problem finding them.

Be sure you read up on HB10-1284, the law regulating the business passed this year.

Couple of important points:
Caregivers are limited to 5 patients
Caregivers can only charge for actual expense of growing + charges for additional services.

Dispensaries are a whole 'nuther ball game. You cant even apply until 7/2011 and at that you will have to pay huge fees.
Not a great scenario with the market saturated as it is right now.

Good luck with your move, but don't expect to get rich, or even make a living being a caregiver, in Colorado.
 
Mr. Weash

Mr. Weash

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Thanks for the tips, I don't care to be rich. I've never really had money so I don't really know or care what I'm missing out on. Just a comfortable living. 5 Patients is fine with me.
If I have a room mate, can they be a caregiver as well and double our patients?
 
MzHerbalistFarmer

MzHerbalistFarmer

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Yeah - their right. Craigslist to find patients!

Husband and I make a great living off of providing medicine to our patients at $200 an ounce.

FYI: You are only limited to 5 REGISTERED PATIENTS each. :-)
 
MacGuyver4.2.0

MacGuyver4.2.0

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quietguy420 said:
It all depends on what your offering your patients for their grow rights. Some people offer a one time sign up free 1/8..... others offer an ounce a month. If the latter, just post on Clist when you get out here and you will be flooded with emails from people looking to get a fair deal from a real caregiver.
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You REALLY gotta watch Craigslist...flooded with undercover cops and now even DEA. Also make SURE any patients you agree to 'provide' for sign a 'termination clause' This is a basically a written agreement that is signed by all parties that clearly states rights and properties of BOTH parties in the event that said patient decides they don't want you anymore(or vice versa). By law any plants you are growing for THEM are their property and you must surrender to them any plants that you acquired due to the caregiver relationship. The agreement should basically state that while the patient always has the right to designate someone else caregiver, they cannot expect you to start, grow and almost finish their crop...and then they pull the plug on you. With the new laws you can switch caregiver only so many times per year now, too. Has happened to me that's why I know firsthand. Helps to have a good lawyer too. :)
 
MzHerbalistFarmer

MzHerbalistFarmer

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MacGuyver4.2.0 said:
You REALLY gotta watch Craigslist...flooded with undercover cops and now even DEA. Also make SURE any patients you agree to 'provide' for sign a 'termination clause' This is a basically a written agreement that is signed by all parties that clearly states rights and properties of BOTH parties in the event that said patient decides they don't want you anymore(or vice versa). By law any plants you are growing for THEM are their property and you must surrender to them any plants that you acquired due to the caregiver relationship. The agreement should basically state that while the patient always has the right to designate someone else caregiver, they cannot expect you to start, grow and almost finish their crop...and then they pull the plug on you. With the new laws you can switch caregiver only so many times per year now, too. Has happened to me that's why I know firsthand. Helps to have a good lawyer too. :)
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GREAT ADVICE!! Yes, do be very careful with Craigslist - don't use it to sell extra medicine just use it to promote your caregiver services.
 
BadAndy

BadAndy

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didnt they change the dispensary laws to the point of you have to be a 2 year resident to open one?
 
tardis

tardis

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MacGuyver4.2.0 said:
You REALLY gotta watch Craigslist...flooded with undercover cops and now even DEA. Also make SURE any patients you agree to 'provide' for sign a 'termination clause' This is a basically a written agreement that is signed by all parties that clearly states rights and properties of BOTH parties in the event that said patient decides they don't want you anymore(or vice versa). By law any plants you are growing for THEM are their property and you must surrender to them any plants that you acquired due to the caregiver relationship. The agreement should basically state that while the patient always has the right to designate someone else caregiver, they cannot expect you to start, grow and almost finish their crop...and then they pull the plug on you. With the new laws you can switch caregiver only so many times per year now, too. Has happened to me that's why I know firsthand. Helps to have a good lawyer too. :)
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Yeah dont forget if caregiver gets spidermites, planet disease etc, he still has to provide the medicine to the patients he is legally bound to, most likely none of this "Sorry it didn't yield what I thought" crap. So you can very well wind up LOSEING money adn SPENDING money to get other people their marijuana. Dont expect to pay rent with it the frist year.
 
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jeepster420

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MzHerbalistFarmer said:
Yeah - their right. Craigslist to find patients!

Husband and I make a great living off of providing medicine to our patients at $200 an ounce.

FYI: You are only limited to 5 REGISTERED PATIENTS each. :-)
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I disagree. People can not come together for the purposes of cultivation, so you can't EACH have 5 patients, husband/wife or roommates. I would watch yourself, it seems like you are implying that you are non-compliant. Respectfully, I'd like to keep this discussion on legal caregiving, not selling drugs.

I can find the info in the legislation to back up my claim, can you do the same for your opinion that two caregivers can live and grow together?
 
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jeepster420

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MacGuyver4.2.0 said:
You REALLY gotta watch Craigslist...flooded with undercover cops and now even DEA. Also make SURE any patients you agree to 'provide' for sign a 'termination clause' This is a basically a written agreement that is signed by all parties that clearly states rights and properties of BOTH parties in the event that said patient decides they don't want you anymore(or vice versa). By law any plants you are growing for THEM are their property and you must surrender to them any plants that you acquired due to the caregiver relationship. The agreement should basically state that while the patient always has the right to designate someone else caregiver, they cannot expect you to start, grow and almost finish their crop...and then they pull the plug on you. With the new laws you can switch caregiver only so many times per year now, too. Has happened to me that's why I know firsthand. Helps to have a good lawyer too. :)
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Can you verify where you are getting your information? I don't think anything in 1284/109 addresses property rights of plants. You are implying that as a patient, I can demand to see my plants and 'take' them, like they are my property?

Also, I haven't heard about how many times I can submit a change of caregiver form, can you verify that? Are you just posting something that happened to you? Care to explain?

Also, I don't see in the legislation where I am bound to a caregiver. I don't see where I have to notify the old one if I find a new one, can you link to that part of the legislation?

Thanks.
 
colonuggs

colonuggs

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Caregivers can be designated
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on the initial application by the patient for a medical marijuana license. To select a caregiver after becoming a state-licensed Patient, the Patient must submit a Change of Address or Caregiver form to the Health Department’s Medical Marijuana Registry at the below address. The Change of Address or Caregiver form can be printed off here:
http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/hs/medicalmarijuana/Changeform.pdf
Ms. Debra Tuenge
Medical Marijuana Registry
Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment
HSVR-ADM2-A1
4300 Cherry Creek Drive South
Denver, Colorado 80246-1530
Phone: (303) 692-2184 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (303) 692-2184 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
Email: [email protected] or [email protected]
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Caregivers are entitled to manufacture or possess medical marijuana in order to provide that medicine to the patient. After approval by the Health Department, both the patient and the primary caregiver should be protected from state or local prosecution for possession or cultivation of marijuana that is used solely for the medical purposes within the state guidelines for allowable quantities. However, as discussed below, caregivers and patients remain subject to potential federal prosecution despite the state law allowing for medical marijuana use in Colorado.
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The Colorado Health Department previously had an informal policy prohibiting a caregiver from being responsible for more than 5 patients at a time. However, in 2007 Sensible Colorado filed a lawsuit on behalf of a licensed patient who had been denied his choice of caregiver and this informal policy was nullified by the court. Thanks to Sensible Colorado’s efforts in this landmark case, caregivers may now manage the well being of as many patients as they are capable of serving.
 
SoCoMMJ

SoCoMMJ

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colonuggs said:
Thanks to Sensible Colorado’s efforts in this landmark case, caregivers may now manage the well being of as many patients as they are capable of serving.[/B]
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That statement is not true. However it did apply prior to the passing of HB10-1284. The previous 5 patient rule was repealed because the health department failed to take public input and was easy to turn over. The clause below is from a new LAW passed this year and most definitely is in force today.

(6) Patient - primary caregiver relationship. (a) A PERSON SHALL BE LISTED AS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR NO MORE THAN FIVE PATIENTS ON THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROGRAM REGISTRY AT ANY GIVEN TIME;

I would hate for somebody to take your advice and get into trouble for felony cultivation.
 
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Treebear42

Member
really.i am very interested in getting into something like that down the road once i graduate college. i have started growing and its quickly turned into, a bit of an obsession. i feel its something i could do for the rest of my life if given the proper coaching in a sense. i take it u dont reside in the us for obvious reasons but where do u guys live?
 
MacGuyver4.2.0

MacGuyver4.2.0

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jeepster420 said:
I disagree. People can not come together for the purposes of cultivation, so you can't EACH have 5 patients, husband/wife or roommates. I would watch yourself, it seems like you are implying that you are non-compliant. Respectfully, I'd like to keep this discussion on legal caregiving, not selling drugs.

I can find the info in the legislation to back up my claim, can you do the same for your opinion that two caregivers can live and grow together?
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Jeepster- You may want to brush up on Amendment 20 rights as provided by the state of Colorado and The U.S. Constitution In general. The state CANNOT deny Amendment 20 rights to medically qualified patients who are also married to each other. That is outright discrimination based on marrital status, and any lawyer would laugh at you. House Bill 1284 clearly does NOT discriminate based on marrital status, nor could it. It would be ruled unconstitutional and thrown out, end of story.

What it DOES SAY- is that 2 or more Primary Caregivers cannot 'Join together' (legal term here means 'Collective') for the purposes of cultivating medical marijuana. If you don't believe me read the clause right from HB1284 and also the clause describing "husband/wife" in the scope of a MMC (Medical Marijuna Center). It clearly states that they can be a)married, b) joint ownership of a MMC. c) growing plants for patients within the confines of the state laws.


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Also notice on the latest "CHANGE OF CARE-GIVER/MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER" form from the CDPHE site- to wit: Section 14.


14. Provider of medical marijuana: Select one of the following that best describes your intended source of medical marijuana:
[FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings]q [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]Self (skip the "Provider" section below)
[FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings]q [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]Care-giver (Required: enter name and address below)
[FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings]q [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]Medical Marijuana Center (Required: enter name and address below)
[FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings]q [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]Self and Care-giver (Required: enter name and address below)
[FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings]q [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]Self and Medical Marijuana Center (Required: enter name and address below)


Notice please the distinction between 'Caregiver' and 'Self'. You do NOT have to appoint someone else 'cargiver' to provide MMJ for yourself. If a husband and wife ARE married and are also legal Amendment 20 patients, they EACH can have thier OWN grow and doctors rec. within full compliance of current state laws. Show me 2 cancer/HIV patients (or others) who are married that are DENIED the right and I gurantee a huge lawsuit against the state.
Ka-Ching!
The Feds can (and will) do anything they want- and eat dogshit for all I care, but the STATE laws are what we are talking about here, the Feds steal from whomever/whenever they want and always have.



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jeepster420

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I appreciate your input. If a guy and his wife both have 5 patients, and are growing for themselves, that's 72 plants. I've seen some MMC's with grows that size, so I have serious concerns about having two caregivers grow for themselves. The denver city council wants to enact 12 plant limits per house, just to curb what you're saying. They even reference a grow of just 60 plants.

You are choosing to interpret a20 and 1284 how you wish, but you can't discount the fact that law enforcement and judges wouldn't allow you to use colorado law as an affirmative defense. Are you aware of recent events with regards to bartkowitz?

I wouldn't dare risk my family just to grow some plants for some friends/patients.

You grow your 72 plants and good luck, I'll remain compliant in my own ways.
 
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