Organic soil grow, necessary to flush?

[haze2]

Yo Plague I posted back it didnt show, I was saying NOBODY EVER SAID HE COULD FLUSH ORGANIC AMMENDED SOIL, like Matt I was saying with a soiless yes you can flush with an ammended you can not flush completely with a hydro system you can flush and you better flush that shit. Again a true flush depends on your soil if your soil will allow you to I would you will not be unhappy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMUCH MORE WELL CLEAN AND SMOOTH NUG!!!!! Haze2

 

[Matt Rize]

Taste is dependent on plant genetics, nothing else.

How ignorant and small-mined. Is this guy living in isolation smoking only his own herb? Your claim, that environment has no role in terpenoid development, is not what I expected from an educated Canna-fan. Have you ever tested this idea or just claiming it to be true? This idea has been extensively tested and there are many factors that influence finished product smoke quality, genetics only playing part of this role. Now, knowing that you grow in soil with slow-release foods, you have no chance to test this theory, but we the indoor nation have every round to run experiments.

It is common knowledge that you can run the same strain on different food (environments) and get drastically different results. This is not simply a matter of curing properly. Come on...really?

 

[Spanishfly]

I am with madodah. He tastes his own smoke and has come to the same conclusion as me. He is not ´small- minded´ - he just writes what he finds.

IMHO flushing is a total waste of time - it is a fiction propagated by naive kids who have never grown anything else, and are just repeating what they have read.

Do commercial growers of ANYTHING flush their soil so their produce tastes better?? Absolutely not - if flushing did anything they would.

 

[madodah]

How ignorant and small-mined. Is this guy living in isolation smoking only his own herb? Your claim, that environment has no role in terpenoid development, is not what I expected from an educated Canna-fan. Have you ever tested this idea or just claiming it to be true? This idea has been extensively tested and there are many factors that influence finished product smoke quality, genetics only playing part of this role. Now, knowing that you grow in soil with slow-release foods, you have no chance to test this theory, but we the indoor nation have every round to run experiments.

It is common knowledge that you can run the same strain on different food (environments) and get drastically different results. This is not simply a matter of curing properly. Come on...really?

From my prior post " If your grow medium is correctly prepared to sustain plants throughout their lifes cycles without chemical supplements you've created a living soil complete with microbe colonies that service plant requirements". That's the environment stage. Then comes the curing.

 

[Matt Rize]

From my prior post " If your grow medium is correctly prepared to sustain plants throughout their lifes cycles without chemical supplements you've created a living soil complete with microbe colonies that service plant requirements". That's the environment stage. Then comes the curing.

So now environment plays a role, way to back-pedal. Obviously environment plays a huge role, especially for the indoor nation. And even more so for the soluble feeders.

More than one way to do organics. You can't flush, I can. This is why my herb taste better than yours. See "cleanest smoothest smoke" ever in my thread on veganics.

For those growing in soil, either outside or in a true slow release mix indoors, FLUSHING CANNOT OCCUR, THIS IS WHY YOU THINK IT IS USELESS. Your media is full of slow release food that is not exhausted by the end, so flushing would be false.

BUT, for those growing indoors, organically, in soil-less mix, doing a heavy feeding routine. FLUSH! Again, more than one way to do organics, and If you are a heavy feeder (not a slow releaser) then a flush will be beneficial to remove as much chlorophyll pre-harvest as possible. The soil-less nature of new-school organics allows us to remove any leftover food in the container, leading to a TRUE FLUSH.

Don't take indoor advice from someone who grows outside in the ground using only teas if you are indoor using soluble food, WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD.

I smoke indoor veganics, and outdoor organics (much like maddy's). Best in the world.

 

[Matt Rize]

What nobody else flushes their tomatos??? The onliest change in late season watering that any reg. gardner does is "turning off the water", [or tapering it off] to speed up the harvest, and gitter' done before hard frost.

If I did taste fertilizer in my tomato's it would be the special urea nitrate fertilizer my DOG applies.... thank god that flavor doesn't come through.

You aren't smoking tomatoes (I hope )

There is a huge difference between sending something down your gut, and straight into your lungs.

Food, such as pee/poop, are broken down before being taken up by the plants. You aren't literally flushing the pee/poop out, you are flushing the residues and salts.

 

[madodah]

So now environment plays a role, way to back-pedal. Obviously environment plays a huge role, especially for the indoor nation. And even more so for the soluble feeders.

Are you having reading comprehension problems? Grow medium preparation was my first post in this thread. Curing came after that.

More than one way to do organics. You can't flush, I can. This is why my herb taste better than yours. See "cleanest smoothest smoke" ever in my thread on veganics.

For those growing in soil, either outside or in a true slow release mix indoors, FLUSHING CANNOT OCCUR, THIS IS WHY YOU THINK IT IS USELESS. Your media is full of slow release food that is not exhausted by the end, so flushing would be false.

BUT, for those growing indoors, organically, in soil-less mix, doing a heavy feeding routine. FLUSH! Again, more than one way to do organics, and If you are a heavy feeder (not a slow releaser) then a flush will be beneficial to remove as much chlorophyll pre-harvest as possible. The soil-less nature of new-school organics allows us to remove any leftover food in the container, leading to a TRUE FLUSH.

Don't take indoor advice from someone who grows outside in the ground using only teas if you are indoor using soluble food, WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD.

I smoke indoor veganics, and outdoor organics (much like maddy's). Best in the world.

I also grow outdoors in 25 gallon smart pots, as pictured. Self-contained grow medium, AACT applications only.

 

[Spanishfly]

You aren't smoking tomatoes (I hope )

There is a huge difference between sending something down your gut, and straight into your lungs.

So your assertion is that undesirable chemicals can only be detected in plants that you smoke, not ones you eat. So OK, let´s all make it up as we go along.

 

[Matt Rize]

So your assertion is that undesirable chemicals can only be detected in plants that you smoke, not ones you eat. So OK, let´s all make it up as we go along.

Never said that. All I am saying that your gut is a much different environment that your lungs. YOUR LUNGS ARE MUCH MORE FRAGILE, no argument there.

 

[Matt Rize]

Are you having reading comprehension problems? Grow medium preparation was my first post in this thread. Curing came after that.
I also grow outdoors in 25 gallon smart pots, as pictured. Self-contained grow medium, AACT applications only.

And not everyone's grow media makes up their entire environment. In fact, many people are doing organics in soil-less media with soluble food. This is the Organic forum right? Not just the old school forum. So I give advice for the others, because your system is so simple I can't imagine how many questions people have about outdoors using teas. Indoor soil-less is way different than outdoor soil. If you don't know about soil-less mixes, then please relax.

We are both organics. Your advice only applies to your grow system, which most people don't run, like urbanites and indoor growers. Quit hating and go teach a class about old school organics, you obviously got it dialed.

Can we keep it positive and talk about the theories behind an anaerobic curing process... and why to NOT 'burp' your curing jars.

 

[haze2]

I am with madodah. He tastes his own smoke and has come to the same conclusion as me. He is not ´small- minded´ - he just writes what he finds.

IMHO flushing is a total waste of time - it is a fiction propagated by naive kids who have never grown anything else, and are just repeating what they have read.

Do commercial growers of ANYTHING flush their soil so their produce tastes better?? Absolutely not - if flushing did anything they would.

Yo Spanish did you hear yourself here, I think Ill have to say you need to do much more research before you yap your jaw about what you dont know. Haze

 

[Matt Rize]

Yo Spanish did you hear yourself here, I think Ill have to say you need to do much more research before you yap your jaw about what you dont know. Haze

I wonder if maddy ever tried an organic soil-less run, using (of course) soluble organics. And if he ever actually tried a true flush, and watched the advanced stages of chlorosis. Or if he is just hating because he can't flush, and depends on slow release like he does.

The old schoolers see it coming, their fade into obscurity in the medical world. The people demand indoor organics of the HIGHEST quality, including smoke quality.

I personally worked at a top dispensary here, and for a fact: Outdoor doesn't sell like indoor. And everyone wants the best organics, and they want if flushed. I have smoked and vaped hundreds of strains from hundreds of growers, all organics because the dispensary I worked at only did organic (no hydro no chem). Flushing matters for indoor.

My Blackberry Kush, grown with Vegan Organics indoors, was compared to a traditional organic indoor Blackberry Kush, grown using the soil-food web and teas. My properly flushed veganics not only looked better, tasted better, smelled better, but also SMOKED BETTER. Simply because it was flushed. And the market decided that my was also worth more. Nuff Said. GO SOIL-LESS ORGANIC AND FLUSH!

 

[haze2]

Absolutely, anyone who goes off talking like that apparently is the naive child. Id have to call his bluff and say he has never had the chance to do a real flush so therefore hes what we call a non-believer thats fine, Its why I grow my own so that I know what Im smoking. I feel sorry for the guy if he feels that way eh. He wont even take a minute to learn just wants to argue. Haze

 

[Matt Rize]

Absolutely, anyone who goes off talking like that apparently is the naive child. Id have to call his bluff and say he has never had the chance to do a real flush so therefore hes what we call a non-believer thats fine, Its why I grow my own so that I know what Im smoking. I feel sorry for the guy if he feels that way eh. He wont even take a minute to learn just wants to argue. Haze

Ignorance is bliss. If he discovered that using the soil food web alone is great, but not the greatest for smokeables, then his world view would have to change. He would have to switch to soil-less media and less slow-release. Then he would have to start spending money, and his herb still won't sell for top dollar because its outdoor. That changes his whole game plan. It is the "can of worms" that comes with organic enlightenment.

It's funny how the outdoor old schoolers think they know our game (indoor organics in soil-less media). But it's like a fly fisherman telling a bass fisherman how to catch a fish. Not a chance we will listen because we know better, and not a chance they will shut up and try our method, because they know better without trying.

 

[haze2]

Laughing my ass offf, INDEED my friend. Hes just mixed up thats all, If hes not willing to learn than he will always be stuck with a non flushed, harsh unpleasant smoke. But hey remember the TASTE IS IN THE GENES AND NOTHING ELSE LMAO!!!!!!!

 

[Matt Rize]

Laughing my ass offf, INDEED my friend. Hes just mixed up thats all, If hes not willing to learn than he will always be stuck with a non flushed, harsh unpleasant smoke. But hey remember the TASTE IS IN THE GENES AND NOTHING ELSE LMAO!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHA. Now I'll have to drive up to Oregon, or wherever that guys is, to let him smoke some of my flushed herb.

Video of me taking a rip of some Vegan Organic Indoor Blackberry Kush Flowers & Full-Melt Bubble...FLUSHED HEAVILY = NO COUGH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8-tMEk6T4

 

[haze2]

Get DOWN WITH YOUR BAD SELF, lol iD LOVE TO GET INTO THE VEGANICS. Whats the scoop on that simple, do I need lots of material, what is good for use??

 

[Matt Rize]

Get DOWN WITH YOUR BAD SELF, lol iD LOVE TO GET INTO THE VEGANICS. Whats the scoop on that simple, do I need lots of material, what is good for use??

I have a giant thread just on Vegan Organics, I don't want to steal this thread.

https://www.rollitup.org/organics/364864-vegan-organics-professor-matt-veganics.html

It's kinda long because I had to stomp out the haters.

In a nutshell: soil-less mix of coco/peat/bark with bio canna nutes and other vegan supplements for High Yield situations. Plus lots of microbes, teas, molasses, and love. Just organics without the poops, so it is mostly soluble for me. This guy, spanishfly, has a vegan tea recipe for the great outdoors that he links to every post. Vegan Organics = Plant Based Nutrition

Vegan Organics = Green Organics = Ancient Form of Cultivation = New School Indoor Method for Cleanest Smoke

 

[haze2]

Thanks for the link Ill be reading up on that tonight. Haze

 

[kingofqueen]

Flushing is a mental hangover from hydro and chemical growing. If your grow medium is correctly prepared to sustain plants throughout their lifes cycles without chemical supplements you've created a living soil complete with microbe colonies that service plant requirements. What would be the purpose of flushing?

Taste is dependent on plant genetics, nothing else. Think about it; if plant taste/smoke was dependent on what's in the grow medium or (if one believes wild marketing claims) supplements, most would taste like bat/bird guano, decomposed cow manure and whatever else is in the grow medium.

How can you be sure your soil is living though how can one confirm this?