The 25sft rule of Prop 19 - How Much Can I Really Grow?

[tc1]

Let's first be clear ...

Prop 19 states perfectly clear that it is a 25 square foot area. Most people come to the common conclusion of 5x5 because it's the simplest calculation with regarding to the square footage. But under Prop 19 your grow space design can be ANY measurements which equates to a 25sft surface area or less.


So let's use 5 gallon buckets as our grow medium shall we? Plenty of room to grow big beautiful buds in a 5 gallon container. (As this site very well proves)

The diameter of a 5 gallon bucket is generally between 11.5" and 12". Let's pick 12" for the sake of high balling our figures. That makes a radius of a 5 gallon bucket 6" which in return gives us a surface area of 0.785 square feet.

Now that we know our square footage for each bucket. We now know we can fit 31 5 gallon buckets (24.335 square feet) in our grow area. "But what about a veg chamber?" you say ... Good point.

Let's decide to keep a veg chamber for our moms and clones .... Let's put a chamber that is 2 feet deep, 2 feet wide, and 6 feet tall in our grow. This allows us to keep anywhere between 4 to 10 mothers and dozens upon dozens of clones in circulation depending on the size of the medium for our mothers and the design of our chamber. In this example our chamber will hold 5 mothers in 3.5 gallon buckets along with room for clones to begin their vegetative growth. The chamber will have an upper rack full of cuttings as well.

Now that we've added the chamber ... We only have 21 square feet left. This gives us room for 26 5 gallon buckets. Interesting ...


Ok ... so now we get out our kilowatt HPS lights and begin doing our thing. A couple months later we have returned to find 26 fully matured plants of sticky icky. Now maybe we aren't great growers .. maybe we are.

So let's completely and UTTERLY low ball our grow and say we got 2 ounces per plant. (2 ounces .. with multiple kilowatts of light? ouch ... we need to get better at this whole growing thing). 2 ounces x 26 plants = 52 ounces of marijuana.

That equates to 3.25 pounds of marijuana. 3 1/4 pounds every 3-4 months folks.

A year later we've really got the green thumb and getting better (thanks rollitup!).
Now we're pulling 4-6 ounces per plant.

We now have anywhere from 6.5 pounds to 9.75 pounds of marijuana every 3-4 months.



I'd say 25 square feet is plenty of room to grow marijuana wouldn't you?

If you aren't voting YES on Prop 19 because of the "25 square feet rule" ... please reconsider.
Some of us are unwilling to risk our families in order to grow marijuana illegally. So help make it legal.

 

[calibob]

26 plants in 25sq ft won't yield 2 oz per. Cut the number of plants and you have a shot at it. To get 9 lb per cycle you are going to need more than 25 sq ft.

 

[tc1]

26 plants in 25sq ft won't yield 2 oz per. Cut the number of plants and you have a shot at it. To get 9 lb per cycle you are going to need more than 25 sq ft.

If you can't get 2 ounces per plant using 5 gallon buckets and no light restrictions ... there's something wrong.

 

[tc1]

Wow really??? A plant growing in a 5 gallon bucket takes up a lot more room than the foot print of the bucket...and calculating the area of a circle and then thinking you can just divide 25 sq ft does not take into account the space between the circles they take up a sq ft...but the canopy is not the same as the foot print of the pot...

Thanks Dick for pretending to legalize MJ while creating new Canna Crimes I hope he gets his karma Oakland style!!!

What part of square footage don't you understand? Vertical footprint of the plant makes no difference.

You can fit 26 5 gallon buckets and a 2x2x6 veg cab in a 25 square foot room .... PERIOD


Here's a thought ... instead of acting like an interwebz tough guy ... take a math refresher course first. While you're at it you might want to take a class on civility.

24.41 square feet < 25 square feet
Pretty simple math with regards to surface area.

 

[Hayduke]

What part of square footage don't you understand? Vertical footprint of the plant makes no difference.

You can fit 26 5 gallon buckets and a 2x2x6 veg cab in a 25 square foot room .... PERIOD


Here's a thought ... instead of acting like an interwebz tough guy ... take a math refresher course first. While you're at it you might want to take a class on civility.

24.41 square feet < 25 square feet
Pretty simple math with regards to surface area.

No you cant! If they were square then yes you could...the diameter of the bucket is 12"

But who cares...why 25???

 

[tc1]

No you cant! If they were square then yes you could...the diameter of the bucket is 12"

But who cares...why 25???

It's an example. You could grow 1 plant in a 25 square foot area if you wished.
Point being, you can easily grow POUNDS of marijuana in a 25 square foot grow room.

You can fit a 12" diameter pot in a 1 square foot area.

 

[tc1]

And if you think you can't get 2 ounces per plant just because your growing a SOG you must not pay much attention to the Indoor Growing section of this board.

"Minimal penetration"? Exactly what kind of light penetration do we need if we're using kilowatt hids in a large SOG setup? We're interested in growing monster colas from clones ... not popcorn side branches.

You know ... something like this



(gotta love google images)

 

[toquer]

this is a very interesting point. i've read the prop and it doesn't really specify how the 25sqft have to be arranged. i've got 2 plants that take up more than 25 sqft. apx 72sqft for just the 2 plants. but i've also got 16 plants in 11"x11" pots. they take up my 25sqft grow tent in the evening for their dark cycle. so assuming i veg and mother offsite i can realistically have 29.76 pots growing and take up a footprint of less than 25sqft. any attorneys online want to verify that this can be done legally? i mean it doesn't matter to me one way or another as prop 215 says i can have whatever i need for my medical problems. interesting...

 

[veggiegardener]

Anyone interested in controlling your grow will insist the plants stay within the 25 square feet, including all branches and leaves.

An expert grower, and I mean a real master of the art can get 2 ounces per square foot, assuming he provides a minimum of 100 watts per sq. ft, and CO2.

Anything less won't get that yield, and that is only for high yielding strains.

Now, can you keep your 25 sq. ft. cool, with 3 1000w lamps providing light?

My record yield in a greenhouse was 58 grams per sq. ft, so I know it can be done.

The question is, can YOU do it?

Consistently?

Prop 19 is a bogus piece of work that will screw up everything the medical community has achieved in the last 14 years.

I've only seen one person turned down for a recc, and only because he didn't even tell the doctor he had trouble sleeping.

A really stupid kid.

I've taken people ranging in age from 18 to 81 to get their recommendations with no problem. All I told them was to be truthful about their need to use Cannabis.

There are a lot of young people who suffer from sleep disorders due to stress associated with life in America.

 

[tc1]

Prop 215 = Medical
Prop 19 = Recreational

Section 7 of Prop 19:

7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city&#8217;s limits remain illegal, but that the city&#8217;s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

11362.5 = Prop 215

Section 8 of Prop 19:

8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

11362.5 = Prop 215


Stop perpetuating the lie that Prop 19 effects medical marijuana patients. It does not.

 

[veggiegardener]

Prop 215 = Medical
Prop 19 = Recreational

Section 7 of Prop 19:

7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city&#8217;s limits remain illegal, but that the city&#8217;s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

11362.5 = Prop 215

Section 8 of Prop 19:

8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

11362.5 = Prop 215


Stop perpetuating the lie that Prop 19 effects medical marijuana patients. It does not.

I've said it in other threads, yet you continue lying.

The 25 sq. ft. limit extends to everyone, because prop 215 didn't specify cultivation area. Only numbers, which have since been overturned.

You are willfully lying, to what purpose? Money?

Certainly.

 

[tc1]

I've said it in other threads, yet you continue lying.

The 25 sq. ft. limit extends to everyone, because prop 215 didn't specify cultivation area. Only numbers, which have since been overturned.

You are willfully lying, to what purpose? Money?

Certainly.

Don't accuse me of lying when you yourself are sitting here telling people Prop 19 mentions nothing about legalization.
How dense and obtuse must you be to continue making that argument?

The FIRST friggin sentence of Prop 19 under Title and Summary states: "Changes California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed. Initiative Statute."

But yeah ... you keep telling people it doesn't mention legalization.

Keep telling people the "Lawful possession, cultivation, and transportation of marijuana" does not mean legalization.


You have been proven a liar and propagandist.

 

[veggiegardener]

The "summary" carries no weight unless supported in the following text.

This was written by lawyers, remember?

 

[veggiegardener]

A good comparison would be the laws governing gun possession.

Constitutionally we should be able to carry a concealed weapon, like any other honest citizen.

Practically speaking, how many people can actually carry a gun, even out in plain site?

We have "the right to bear arms" but in truth, only the police and military can legally carry firearms in a populated area.

They might let you keep guns in your home, but only under lock and key. In some places the restrictions are down right silly.

Tell us how you can get 3.25 pounds of weed in your 25 foot garden?

 

[veggiegardener]

Don't accuse me of lying when you yourself are sitting here telling people Prop 19 mentions nothing about legalization.
How dense and obtuse must you be to continue making that argument?

The FIRST friggin sentence of Prop 19 under Title and Summary states: "Changes California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed. Initiative Statute."

But yeah ... you keep telling people it doesn't mention legalization.

Keep telling people the "Lawful possession, cultivation, and transportation of marijuana" does not mean legalization.


You have been proven a liar and propagandist.

Who's paying you to be here?

You seem to have no reason other than to hype Prop. 19.

 

[tc1]

Section 3: Lawful Activities
Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read:
Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual&#8217;s personal consumption, and not for sale.

(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.

(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.

(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection.




*Yawn* No one listen to veggie. He thinks something being lawful means it's illegal.

 

[veggiegardener]

UMMM....

THANK YOU!

You even put it in BOLD! You get to grow a WHOLE OUNCE!

") Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, "

Yup!

You're right!

It SAYS legal.

You actually read something!

Way to go!

Now read a bit more, and try to see WHY I'm against this piece of trash.

Even your fellow(albeit more educated) supporters point out that the language is muddy, and "doesn't mean what it says".

Prop 19 is bad law and should be defeated.

Especially if we want to avoid another decade in limbo, while the courts hash things out.

This thing amounts to a huge pay day for trial attorneys.

 

[tc1]

UMMM....

THANK YOU!

You even put it in BOLD! You get to grow a WHOLE OUNCE!

") Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, "

Yup!

You're right!

It SAYS legal.

You actually read something!

Way to go!

Now read a bit more, and try to see WHY I'm against this piece of trash.

Even your fellow(albeit more educated) supporters point out that the language is muddy, and "doesn't mean what it says".

Prop 19 is bad law and should be defeated.

Especially if we want to avoid another decade in limbo, while the courts hash things out.

This thing amounts to a huge pay day for trial attorneys.

Grow an ounce? What the hell are you talking about?

(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.

(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.

You can grow as much marijuana as you can fit in a 25 foot square foot area. You can store the harvested marijuana on the premises. No mention of plant or weight limits.

(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);

 

[veggiegardener]

As soon as it stops growing, it is subject to the ounce limit.

Think it through!

 

[Hayduke]

[/B](b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);[/I]

Who will do this assessing??? Pot friendly dudes??? Or the Judge?

Why 25sq feet??? Per parcel..not per person??? Who does this protect???? The citizenry from crazed recreational smokers who grew too much??? Or Dick Lee and the like who are hoping to cash in???

And yeah...this seems to be your only RIU traffic...and your signature seemed pretty spammy...I bet you thinking about making some coin off this huh????