Dyna-Gro vs General Hydroponics (Dumpster Grow)

[Medi 1]

most plant have suberin, some have more or less is all. and type of nute dont matter. most nutes are all same. diff is organic is attached to a carbon molecule and others are to salt molecule.
i guess you can say im both organic and synthetic as i work in a nute company. so yes i know the diff in nutes and how they work.

 

[homebrewer]

most plant have suberin, some have more or less is all. and type of nute dont matter. most nutes are all same. diff is organic is attached to a carbon molecule and others are to salt molecule.
i guess you can say im both organic and synthetic as i work in a nute company. so yes i know the diff in nutes and how they work.

Well there is a difference between plant and animal based nutes and nutes mined from the earth. Those synthetics are readily available to the plant at all times and elements in excess can create deficiencies as seen in the link below:

http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm

If this is news to you, then lets talk about this outside of my grow journal. I'm not looking to clutter up these pages with "Growing 101" type information. Thanks.

 

[shnkrmn]

Let's see now. Animal based nutrients. Well, there's manure. And then there's blood meal. Bone Meal. Guano (oops, that's manure again). Fish meal, earthworm castings (hmm, maybe that's manure, too). Ground up shrimp and crab shells are awesome. Those are animal-based, aren't they?

Hey, homebrewer, I like your plan to use DG and supplements from GH. I'm not using any supplements right now, and I would have to see some really good result differences to add anything to my DG. I'm just too happy with a super clean res and the stable pH.

 

[Medi 1]

sure no worries,. sory, diodnt mean to clutter in here bud.

ya ok now i get what you mean animnal based...shrimp n crab arent animals so its not what i would have thought of for this. actualy not many of those are animals actualy.

 

[Illumination]

sure no worries,. sory, diodnt mean to clutter in here bud.

ya ok now i get what you mean animnal based...shrimp n crab arent animals so its not what i would have thought of for this. actualy not many of those are animals actualy.

So what is a crab or shrimp? A plant? Fungi? Well it has to be one of the three as there are only three known kingdoms of life... all are either from their waste, carcass, or body by products...

And all of these are referred to as animal derived

Hope it helps...

Looking awesome as usual HB

Namaste'

 

[homebrewer]

Guys, please do not respond to MED1, I am trying to get his posts deleted. If someone is interested in this comparison 3 years from now, I don't want them to have to shuffle through off-topic basics. Thanks for following along guys.

 

[homebrewer]

I wanted to do a quick update of the AK47 ladies being grown with the GH expert line. They are at day 43 and have about 3 weeks left. They don’t like the same levels of nutes that the dumpster plant likes but do very well when fed at the appropriate levels. Speaking of which, I am posting this because I added koolbloom dry last night which will burn the shiz out of your plants if used per the schedule on the GH site (http://www.genhydro.com/genhydro_US/feeding_charts/GH_ExpertProgram_Recirculating.pdf). I suppose I could make it easy on myself and continue with their regular feeding until the end but I’ve had good results with this product in the past and am really trying to see how it intermingles with the micro and bloom than I’m using. So here are some pics, hopefully my update next week doesn’t reveal scorched plants.

As far as comparing this tray to DG, I like how this one is more evenly green top-to-bottom and I’m really liking the resin production thus far. Both trays smell great but this one is definitely more pungent with that grapefruit and sweet ginger aroma (different nutes and a different strain), maybe being assisted by floralicious Plus? The pH is still something that I look at everyday and always adjust at least 3-4 days per week. As long as I’m not on vacation, I really have no issues with this. It can be annoying though if you’re at a happy hour and you look down at your watch knowing at that very moment, your tables are being flooded with the wrong pH . That is why I'm really liking DG.

 

[Mazar i Shariff]

Looking like great smoke homebrewer! Keep it up! I look forward to seeing the differences once they are completely swollen and ready to be chopped.

"lf you ever need a guinea pig, let me know. My grandfather was in the Tuskegee experiments."

 

[dadio161]

your girls look awsome . I really like the way you built your system from scratch .
I'm going to have to hit you up for help with my nutes on my next grow .
Impressive grow .

 

[Carbon]

I was going with a total of 15 mls per gallon of a grow and bloom mix, I'm now at about 13 mls/gallon.

Hate to throw out another option this late in the game, but have you considered DG's Mag-Pro? It is 2-15-4 2%Mg 1.5% Sulfur
Wk 1 of Bloom use 1.25 ml/gal. Each wk increase by 1.25. At wk 4 will have 5ml/gal --- use that amt. thru rest of flower.
The final schedule I use is 5 TEK 5 MAG 12.5 BLM. In theory, 1250ppm. This has worked for me for a long time.
From reading the labels, I can't see how there is enough Calcium. But the plants don't lie. They look great!! RO water to mix then tap (250ppm) to adjust ph to 5.8 or so. Probably picking up more Calcium w/ the tap. After initial ph adjust, you can throw the meter away --- rock solid. This is for DTW.
The Flora+ looks like an excellent idea.
Thanks for all you're doing. I don't see how anyone would be disappointed w/ DGs lineup.

Carbon

ps I did consult w/ Dyna-Gro reps before arriving at the feeding schedule above. They are a real knowledgeable group.

 

[homebrewer]

I'm using magpro but scaled that back as well. I spoke with DG and they gave me the impression that it's mainly for people who use RO water and aren't getting enough magnesium and sulfur. When I looked at my feeding schedule and the pics, I noticed that the burn and leaf curl was more prominent when I was adding more magpro, so that is getting dialed back.

This is the schedule I've been using and tweaking: http://www.dyna-gro.com/Website pdf Files/Dyna Gro Feeding Chart.pdf

 

[Dropastone]

What's your thoughts on using Grow vs Foliage Pro? During veg does either one have it's advantages or disadvantages over the other?

 

[jawbrodt]

Awesome comparison. I use Dynagro Bloom, Grow, and Protekt, myself. The main difference, is the Magpro. I use Calmag Plus, instead. Sadly, my last two grows hermied and fucked everything up, so I started over again, with new strains. I aslo found the Dynagro to be a little on the potent side, whern using as recommended. I'm assuming those recommended to be use during grows optimized with 1000 watt HIDs, etc.... On lesser grows, lesser doses are required. I suffered mild nute burn as well, going with their recommendations. I'm in soil, adjusted for the nute potency, am at the end of week 1 12/12, and am really looking forward to the next 7-8 weeks.

Thanks for experimenting, much appreciated.

 

[homebrewer]

What's your thoughts on using Grow vs Foliage Pro? During veg does either one have it's advantages or disadvantages over the other?

I bought the grow (7-9-5) because that's what my local store had. It just so happens that when I mix the grow and the bloom, I get some ratios that I really like. For instance, equal parts grow and bloom results in a 1-2-1 ratio which I really like for at least the first half of flower. 2/3rds bloom results in 1-2.5-1.3 which I like for later in the bloom stage. With that being said, foliage pro has a great 3-1-2 ratio for veg and I'm sure either the foliage pro or grow formula would give excellent results.

Jawbrodt - What are you finding works well in soil? I'm experimenting now with 4mls total of a grow/bloom mix per gallon. Your thoughts?

 

[Dropastone]

Thanks HB, I'm just about to run out of my GH products and I'm considering making the switch to Dyna-Grow. I was thinking the Foliage Pro would work out better in veg.

Great looking plants and thanks for the side by side comparison.

Peace.

 

[jawbrodt]

Jawbrodt - What are you finding works well in soil? I'm experimenting now with 4mls total of a grow/bloom mix per gallon. Your thoughts?

Well, I wish I could offer something more solid, but haven't been using it long enough to have an established feeding schedule. I mix at 1/2 tsp per gallon, and during my last grow, I was use Grow instead of Bloom, during early flowering, feeding every 3-4 days, and it was a bit too much. I had a mid-grade N overdose, which really hurt my harvest.(aside from being pollinated.lol) So, this time, I plan to stick strictly with Bloom, Protekt, and Calmag, at 1/2 of what I was using before, and go from there. They haven't been fed yet,(at 7 weeks) because the foliar feeding has them sustained flawlessly, so far. I'm actually afraid of N overfert,(mainly) at this point, because they have been sustained so well, and will be going 1/4 strength root-feeding, to start. I am also seriously considering starting with GH 0-5-4, in order to keep the N levels down, until I'm more adjusted to that efficiency of foliar. I honestly think I couild get away with using zero root feeding, until I stop the foliar, and still have zero problems. I plant to stop, once the buds have started developing well, at around week 4-5. I'm pretty sure I will be feeding them tomorrow, with Dynagro Bloom. I haven't decided yet. I don't really want to mess with perfection. KWIM?

 

[1gne]

wud up HB nice one. (remember me?? lol)
ok ive read the whole thread. about halfway threw i relized the nuts you were using were from bloom (?).
ok long story short Whats do i need to cop from DG 4 a complete grow (veg-bloom) some additive sugestion would be nice also.

plz nobody tell me to read the thread because i have (twice). Either its not in there specifically or im just slow. At any-rate plz dnt go off on my like ppl (on RIU) are infamous of doing.
nothing but love

-1gne

 

[homebrewer]

wud up HB nice one. (remember me?? lol)
ok ive read the whole thread. about halfway threw i relized the nuts you were using were from bloom (?).
ok long story short Whats do i need to cop from DG 4 a complete grow (veg-bloom) some additive sugestion would be nice also.

plz nobody tell me to read the thread because i have (twice). Either its not in there specifically or im just slow. At any-rate plz dnt go off on my like ppl (on RIU) are infamous of doing.
nothing but love

-1gne

In all reality, you only need the grow (7-9-5) and the bloom (3-12-6) to grow nice plants. I'd maybe recommend going half and half for the first half of flowering and then scaling back the grow during the last half. This is only my first time working with these products so I'll attempt to post a schedule at the end of this that works for me and my water. If you have some extra cash, check out ProTekt as it's a really nice silicon product.

 

[1gne]

prociated that my man.
+rep You put me on hydro lol.
Running a "heppy bucket" type joint. 75/25 perl/vert mix
Do ya think ill b ok with these. Hoping the ph stability help alot.

 

[epicseeds]

Here is something interesting I found from Tapla and Gardenweb

I also am a fan of Dyna-Gro fertilizers for container usage.
I was asked recently 'If high P fertilizers are so useless then why does Dyna-Gro make and market them?'
My answer was simply to have a product that people wanted, but that was just my opinion. I decided to ask the company (Dyna-Gro) about this. At first I got a very brief response from a representative that wasn't at all satisfying so I asked that rep to forward my question to someone responsible for deciding what their formulations would be. I ended up getting a response from the CEO. Here it is, I think you will find it interesting.
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You are correct. We market a high P (Liquid Bloom) "believe" they need this. As you have noted, our Foliage-Pro does a great job start to finish. However, it is simpler to give the market what they think they need than to try to reeducate it. There is some evidence to believe that low N helps to convince a plant to stop its vegetative growth and move into its reproductive phase (flowering), but environmental factors are probably more important. P is typically 5th or 6th in order of importance of the six macronutrients. There is little scientific justification for higher P formulas, but marketing does come into play for the vast majority of users who lack any real understanding of plant nutritional requirements. Therefore, the market is flooded with a plethora of snake oil products that provide little benefit and can actually do harm. For example, one exhibitor at a hydroponic trade show had a calcium supplement with 2% calcium derived from calcium chloride. Can you guess what continued application of 2% chloride would do to plants?'\
I hope this answers your question and am sorry for Zina's inaccurate response.
Cordially,
Dave Neal, CEO
Dyna-Gro Nutrition Solutions
2775 Giant Rd.
Richmond, CA 94806
800-Dyna-Gro, Fax: 510-233-0198
[email protected]
www.dyna-gro.com