Brown Algae (snot) and GH Subculture (pics)

FeFiFoFUM

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Ive had the same problem with the slime, I changed the nutes and added Subculture b and superthrive and 24 hours later my airstones were covered in that goop, I then took the airstones out boiled them, boiled my hydroton, and soaked the roots in a H202 solution, I did notice when I took the girls out of the buckets to soak I had new white root growth, but since I had been using H2o2 and sm90 for so long, before I added the Subculture B I am not sure if this new root growth was because of the H2o2 and I just didnt notice it, or the subculture b did that in only 24 hours, Im banking on the H202 and SM-90 I was using. For about a week now I have stopped using the subculture b and went straight with the H2o2 and Sm9o, and it looks like Im still having the same issue, So far everything Ive read on here says I need to get that physan 20 and then go from there, I hope that works, and Ill sub to this thread, and maybe we can figure this out even faster

I use GH3part
H2O2
Sm-90
Superthrive
Subculture B ( when not using H2o2)
 

Heisenberg

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Ive had the same problem with the slime, I changed the nutes and added Subculture b and superthrive and 24 hours later my airstones were covered in that goop, I then took the airstones out boiled them, boiled my hydroton, and soaked the roots in a H202 solution, I did notice when I took the girls out of the buckets to soak I had new white root growth, but since I had been using H2o2 and sm90 for so long, before I added the Subculture B I am not sure if this new root growth was because of the H2o2 and I just didnt notice it, or the subculture b did that in only 24 hours, Im banking on the H202 and SM-90 I was using. For about a week now I have stopped using the subculture b and went straight with the H2o2 and Sm9o, and it looks like Im still having the same issue, So far everything Ive read on here says I need to get that physan 20 and then go from there, I hope that works, and Ill sub to this thread, and maybe we can figure this out even faster

I use GH3part
H2O2
Sm-90
Superthrive
Subculture B ( when not using H2o2)
A big part of your problem is the superthrive. It may be a good product in a lot of cases, but more often than not in a DWC it triggers slime. SM-90 and h202 are effective against pythium and other root disease, but at best, will only slow the slime. The sub-b will help, but you need something with trichoderma fungi, such as the sub-m or ZHO powder. I've seen roots produce new shoots even when covered in slime, although most often they do not, but the new growth you saw may have occurred even if you had used no products.

Sterilize the roots the best you can and then rinse really well. Make the EWC tea and inoculate a new res. I promise the tea is the answer to a slime free res.

EWC tea, how to make it, why to use it
 

jestermite

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Progress :-P

Below are some pics of the biggest and smallest of the four plants I have recovering. They're from the same mother, cloned at the same time, just different recovery rates I guess. The Sub -M plus EWC are working! New roots on all and they have finally started to grow again.

One interesting thing - I sterilized two of the plants again to try to speed things up w/ heavy H2O2 dips and bleach on the tubs and stones.. mistake. The slime came back immediately on both plants and the bennies had to start all over again. Makes me wonder if trying to sterilize before adding bennies is even worth the effort. From what I've seen I would just go straight to the EWC tea and good bacteria.

Big thanks and rep to Heisenberg. :clap: The tea is super easy to make and store and seems to be kicking ass. I just throw a couple of airstones in a tub and add R/O water, sub -m, worm castings in a sock, and 1 tbsp of molasses. Don't even need a lid because nothing else would have a chance in that soup. Put it jugs after 48 hours of bubbling and then the fridge. I'm adding about a cup a day of the mix to my four gallon res and all is well. I'll scale back after I'm sure the snot has been totally overwhelmed. Spraying the mix onto my clones too to keep them safe and happy.

Stoked
 

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FeFiFoFUM

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ok so I read this thread last night and decided to take my girls back out and clean the roots again, noticed the slime comming back.

I have the subculture b, does this sub as one of the ingredients in your tea ?
if I go and buy the ingredients, could I just use them instead of making the tea this first time as I dont wanna wait two days before I get something on them.

to me they are looking a lot better, and I dont wanna put em back in the res until I get this tea or its equivalent in there cause now that I soaked in h2o2 again and rinsed seems I have most of the slime gone now.

here are the pics taken 15 min before this post, I have managed to get most of the hydroton out of the netcup without disturbing the root base too much so I feel that this time around Ill be able to eradicate this slime BS or whatnot, so If I go buy this stuff can I just mix it and use it without making the tea, as I think the point of the tea was only to make the commercial products you buy last longer ?

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Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
Progress :-P

Below are some pics of the biggest and smallest of the four plants I have recovering. They're from the same mother, cloned at the same time, just different recovery rates I guess. The Sub -M plus EWC are working! New roots on all and they have finally started to grow again.

One interesting thing - I sterilized two of the plants again to try to speed things up w/ heavy H2O2 dips and bleach on the tubs and stones.. mistake. The slime came back immediately on both plants and the bennies had to start all over again. Makes me wonder if trying to sterilize before adding bennies is even worth the effort. From what I've seen I would just go straight to the EWC tea and good bacteria.

Big thanks and rep to Heisenberg. :clap: The tea is super easy to make and store and seems to be kicking ass. I just throw a couple of airstones in a tub and add R/O water, sub -m, worm castings in a sock, and 1 tbsp of molasses. Don't even need a lid because nothing else would have a chance in that soup. Put it jugs after 48 hours of bubbling and then the fridge. I'm adding about a cup a day of the mix to my four gallon res and all is well. I'll scale back after I'm sure the snot has been totally overwhelmed. Spraying the mix onto my clones too to keep them safe and happy.

Stoked
So glad the tea is working for you! You are using a bit much, but luckily it's really hard to overdue it with the tea. If you do put in too much fungi you may notice a new type of slime, it is subtle and does not hurt the roots. After your plants develop a nice robust root base, you will only need to add the tea once a week. Strong healthy plants do a great job of shrugging off the slime on their own.

Someone who is infected may be able to get away with semi-sterilizing the root zone, but you still want to be meticulous about sterilizing air stones, containers, testing equipment, ect.

Hope things continue to go well.
 

Heisenberg

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ok so I read this thread last night and decided to take my girls back out and clean the roots again, noticed the slime comming back.

I have the subculture b, does this sub as one of the ingredients in your tea ?
if I go and buy the ingredients, could I just use them instead of making the tea this first time as I dont wanna wait two days before I get something on them.

to me they are looking a lot better, and I dont wanna put em back in the res until I get this tea or its equivalent in there cause now that I soaked in h2o2 again and rinsed seems I have most of the slime gone now.

here are the pics taken 15 min before this post, I have managed to get most of the hydroton out of the netcup without disturbing the root base too much so I feel that this time around Ill be able to eradicate this slime BS or whatnot, so If I go buy this stuff can I just mix it and use it without making the tea, as I think the point of the tea was only to make the commercial products you buy last longer ?
The sub-b takes the place of the aquashield. It is bacteria. You really want something with trichoderma fungi, like sub-m or ZHO powder. Having your products last longer is a benefit of the tea, but not the point. The point is to wake up the microbes, give them a chance to multiply, and to diversify. The microlife behaves like a sort of little play, with each actor waiting for their cue to come on stage. You can mix the products and put them in your res, but it will still take a couple days for everything to become active. We also want the molasses to be in the tea, and never in the res. After 48 hours it's all eaten away. If we put organic material in the res, the slime will feed and outgrow the bennies. The tea can be used after 24 hours, but is more active and diverse after 48. I would however go ahead and add a bit of the ZHO/sub-m powder to the res with the roots right away.

You'll be glad you put the effort into learning to make tea. It is the only way to beat the curse of the slime.
 

FeFiFoFUM

Active Member
The sub-b takes the place of the aquashield. It is bacteria. You really want something with trichoderma fungi, like sub-m or ZHO powder. Having your products last longer is a benefit of the tea, but not the point. The point is to wake up the microbes, give them a chance to multiply, and to diversify. The microlife behaves like a sort of little play, with each actor waiting for their cue to come on stage. You can mix the products and put them in your res, but it will still take a couple days for everything to become active. We also want the molasses to be in the tea, and never in the res. After 48 hours it's all eaten away. If we put organic material in the res, the slime will feed and outgrow the bennies. The tea can be used after 24 hours, but is more active and diverse after 48. I would however go ahead and add a bit of the ZHO/sub-m powder to the res with the roots right away.

You'll be glad you put the effort into learning to make tea. It is the only way to beat the curse of the slime.
thank you kind sir!

I have the subcultre b already and Im about to head out to the hydro shop to get the Subculture M they have another product with the same fungi as the subculture m/ZHO for half the price, he said that version needs organic material at the rootbase to work or eventually it will die off, but after reading your instructions on this tea IM guessing thats not as important as I will be adding a cup to the res every three days is this a correct assumption?

I called these guys today and the guy tells me he has several products with mollases in them, I read in your instructions I can use carboload or bud sweetner, IS this a type of mollases specifically for growing? or can I go to the supermarket and buy mollases ?
One of the products the hydro shop guy said he had was BioBizz, he said its a mollasses based product, is this what I need ? would it work ?

I really appreciate you sharing your expertise with me, you have a very good way of explaining things and its easy for me to follow along with what youre saying.. VEry imformative and I hope I dont have to bug you too much

Im new to this site, and Im not sure how to yet, but as soon as I figure out how IM going to +rep for you
have a good day
 

Heisenberg

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You are correct. Add tea every three days, make a new batch of tea every 10 days. Whether or not the microbes survive beyond those three days in no concern, but they will in fact live on for much longer than that. In the meantime you'll be adding new ones as well.

ZHO from botanicare is what I use because it's cheap and has excellent fungi species. Sub-m isn't bad, but a little pricey. Great White is expensive, and although it's great quality, the ZHO does the same thing. Stay away from the AN microbe products, they seem to cause more slime in a DWC.

Carboload or bud sweetener can be used if you have it laying around, but you don't need anything other than store bought unsulphured molasses. Shouldn't cost more than a couple bucks. Don't pay any attention to the biobizz.
 

FeFiFoFUM

Active Member
You are correct. Add tea every three days, make a new batch of tea every 10 days. Whether or not the microbes survive beyond those three days in no concern, but they will in fact live on for much longer than that. In the meantime you'll be adding new ones as well.

ZHO from botanicare is what I use because it's cheap and has excellent fungi species. Sub-m isn't bad, but a little pricey. Great White is expensive, and although it's great quality, the ZHO does the same thing. Stay away from the AN microbe products, they seem to cause more slime in a DWC.

Carboload or bud sweetener can be used if you have it laying around, but you don't need anything other than store bought unsulphured molasses. Shouldn't cost more than a couple bucks. Don't pay any attention to the biobizz.

thank you very much, Ill post pics and keep you updated on the progress
 

FeFiFoFUM

Active Member
Ok So as of 938 my time I have this tea going, Im using two 15gph dual outlet pumps with two 4in air stones from the hydro shop and two more 6in airstones Ive had from walmart.

water looks turbulent to me, and there is a foam on top (pics included), Is that normal?
Smells pretty sweet to wife says it smells like sugar water... Yummy lol

I did by accident put more mollases in that the recipe called for ( one and a half teaspoons instead of one) will this have a negative impact on it ? I wouldn't think so, but often Im wrong lol.

thanks again.

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Heisenberg

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How much tea are you making? The foam is normal, it indicates the microlife has woken up. Don't worry about the molasses, you'll be fine. I actually use a tablespoon.
 

FeFiFoFUM

Active Member
How much tea are you making? The foam is normal, it indicates the microlife has woken up. Don't worry about the molasses, you'll be fine. I actually use a tablespoon.

I followed the recipe for 2 gallons, and glad to know everything is going according to plan
 

FeFiFoFUM

Active Member
Do I need to add the tea and let it bubble in the res before I add my nutes, or should I add them all together ?
 

valhalla88

Active Member
Hey fellas..I'm enjoying this thread as I to have been battling this slime.My cloner and aero system, dwc, gets about 60 % infected. The remaining 40 % are like spaghetti!
I am going to use your recipe for tea .
Thanks to all who have contributed and communicated in friendly and humanly manners ,common to most of us , but long forgotten to most.
+rep on the way to all of you for your manners and excellent communication skills.
 

jestermite

Well-Known Member
Browsing around it seems that people have had nothing but GREAT things to say about beneficial bacteria. The algae set my plants back some but finding out about this has been effin awesome. I've never seen roots as branched and intricate as the ones that I have growing now. They look like sea fans sifting in an ocean current.

Anyway - I found this and thought it was good..


To make a nutrient solution and root zone enjoy as many of the benefits of soil, without suffering the disadvantages of soil, many hydroponic growers choose to supplement their garden with beneficial bacteria. These helpful microbes can make a whole host of improvements to both your hydroponic system and your plants by correcting atmospheric nitrogen, increasing nutrient uptake, and decreasing the instances of disease. It is a shame that a significant portion of these growers do not enjoy the full spectrum of benefits that can be gained from beneficial bacteria because they make small, but important, errors during application. To make sure your investment in beneficial bacteria for your hydroponics system does not go to waste, learn to identify and avoid these common errors.
Forgetting to Use Bacteria for Clones and Seeds - It is strange, but even growers who know and understand the benefits of using beneficial bacteria will often only use them for their primary hydroponics system or systems and will not use them when propagating through seeds or cuttings. This is a huge mistake because at these delicate young stages are when your plants need the most help. This absolutely pertinent when cloning where the difference between poorly fed young roots and adequately feed young roots can spell the difference between success and failure, using beneficial microbes is crucial. These microbes will help your cuttings and seeds make the most possible efficient use out of your nutrient solution, thus helping ensure greater odds off success. Many hydroponic manufacturers even recommend that products that contain these bacteria should be used at two three times the normal concentrations when used for propagating plants.
Simultaneously Using Hydrogen Peroxide - One of the cheapest and easiest ways to oxygenate your nutrient solution is to use hydrogen peroxide. This can particularly be helpful if your solution is lacking in oxygen or your roots are suffering form root rot. However, this compound is also a very potent bacteria killer and it will completely rid your reservoir of bacteria, both the good and bad kind, if you use it inappropriately. While hydrogen peroxide certainly has its uses, it is generally better to use an air pump in your reservoir for oxygenation while using beneficial bacteria.
Using the Same Amount for Vegetative Flowering Stages of Growth - As each plant has different needs, each plant also has these special needs at all of its different stages of life. Most manufacturers recommend that you use higher amounts during that vegetative state of growth and slightly less during the flowering stage of development. The vegetative stage is when rapid growth means that it needs the most nutrients to grow to its potential. During the flowering stage, growth has slowed significantly and it therefore is more prone to suffering nutrient excesses.
Not Adding Beneficial Bacteria to Your Foliar Spray - Your reservoir is not the only place that can benefit from beneficial microbes. You can also add it to your foliar spray so that the stomata of your leaves absorb the most possible amount of nutrients. When using as a foliar spray, most choose to also add humic acid to help the spray stick to foliage.


Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Michael_Straumietis
 

valhalla88

Active Member
interersting read . especially the foliar feed method. thanks dude
Browsing around it seems that people have had nothing but GREAT things to say about beneficial bacteria. The algae set my plants back some but finding out about this has been effin awesome. I've never seen roots as branched and intricate as the ones that I have growing now. They look like sea fans sifting in an ocean current.

Anyway - I found this and thought it was good..


To make a nutrient solution and root zone enjoy as many of the benefits of soil, without suffering the disadvantages of soil, many hydroponic growers choose to supplement their garden with beneficial bacteria. These helpful microbes can make a whole host of improvements to both your hydroponic system and your plants by correcting atmospheric nitrogen, increasing nutrient uptake, and decreasing the instances of disease. It is a shame that a significant portion of these growers do not enjoy the full spectrum of benefits that can be gained from beneficial bacteria because they make small, but important, errors during application. To make sure your investment in beneficial bacteria for your hydroponics system does not go to waste, learn to identify and avoid these common errors.
Forgetting to Use Bacteria for Clones and Seeds - It is strange, but even growers who know and understand the benefits of using beneficial bacteria will often only use them for their primary hydroponics system or systems and will not use them when propagating through seeds or cuttings. This is a huge mistake because at these delicate young stages are when your plants need the most help. This absolutely pertinent when cloning where the difference between poorly fed young roots and adequately feed young roots can spell the difference between success and failure, using beneficial microbes is crucial. These microbes will help your cuttings and seeds make the most possible efficient use out of your nutrient solution, thus helping ensure greater odds off success. Many hydroponic manufacturers even recommend that products that contain these bacteria should be used at two three times the normal concentrations when used for propagating plants.
Simultaneously Using Hydrogen Peroxide - One of the cheapest and easiest ways to oxygenate your nutrient solution is to use hydrogen peroxide. This can particularly be helpful if your solution is lacking in oxygen or your roots are suffering form root rot. However, this compound is also a very potent bacteria killer and it will completely rid your reservoir of bacteria, both the good and bad kind, if you use it inappropriately. While hydrogen peroxide certainly has its uses, it is generally better to use an air pump in your reservoir for oxygenation while using beneficial bacteria.
Using the Same Amount for Vegetative Flowering Stages of Growth - As each plant has different needs, each plant also has these special needs at all of its different stages of life. Most manufacturers recommend that you use higher amounts during that vegetative state of growth and slightly less during the flowering stage of development. The vegetative stage is when rapid growth means that it needs the most nutrients to grow to its potential. During the flowering stage, growth has slowed significantly and it therefore is more prone to suffering nutrient excesses.
Not Adding Beneficial Bacteria to Your Foliar Spray - Your reservoir is not the only place that can benefit from beneficial microbes. You can also add it to your foliar spray so that the stomata of your leaves absorb the most possible amount of nutrients. When using as a foliar spray, most choose to also add humic acid to help the spray stick to foliage.


Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Michael_Straumietis
 
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