GreenNerd420
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Serapis
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I don't think I prefer to clone tops, I just am right now because I can. Once I've established a mother, and I think I have two candidates, I'll clone from it after it vegges for awhile.
Nerdy, if you want to question other's grows, try it in the grow journal discussion forum.
Nerdy, if you want to question other's grows, try it in the grow journal discussion forum.
Katatawnic
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Though lurking, been following your grow. However, I got pretty sick and was MIA for a while, and missed a lot in between. Would you be so kind as to give a brief summary of dos and don'ts that you've learned for LED growing?
I'm about to get LEDs myself, I'm undecided as to which I should start with (I'll be getting more next month, starting slow for now due to finances).
At first I was more drawn to one like this, but it doesn't appear to have power cords and I am FAR from an electrician.
Then there is this one, and after examining them closer this morning, it appears that the panel has more lights and square footage coverage than the other. But I don't know Jack Schmitt about LEDs yet.
Again, I'll be getting more next month, and possibly more the month after that. So I'm wondering which type would be better to start my LED endeavor.
Thanks in advance for any advice you have to offer.
I'm about to get LEDs myself, I'm undecided as to which I should start with (I'll be getting more next month, starting slow for now due to finances).
At first I was more drawn to one like this, but it doesn't appear to have power cords and I am FAR from an electrician.
Then there is this one, and after examining them closer this morning, it appears that the panel has more lights and square footage coverage than the other. But I don't know Jack Schmitt about LEDs yet.Again, I'll be getting more next month, and possibly more the month after that. So I'm wondering which type would be better to start my LED endeavor.
Thanks in advance for any advice you have to offer.
luckyskindaguy
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I wouldn't get either of those lights if I were you. You'd be better off with CFL's. How much are you looking to spend on just your light fixture setup?
Grumpy Old Dreamer
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If you are buying LED's you should not buy the cheap Chinese shit that uses generic traffic light LEDs as you will be disappointed and end up forever hating LED's.
Serapis
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They are right, I cannot recommend either of those. The 13W panels might be ok as supplemental ligting, they sure as hell shouldn't be your only lighting. If you are serious about LED ligting, you have to have some cash, usually at least $500 for some of the good models. A single UFO would cost you about $150 and could be used to raise 1-3 plants depending on size.
The LED diodes in the lights you are looking at are shit. I recommend lights that have 1w diodes. Stay away from anything less than 120W unless using a couple of UFOs.
The LED diodes in the lights you are looking at are shit. I recommend lights that have 1w diodes. Stay away from anything less than 120W unless using a couple of UFOs.
Serapis
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Any additional light in the proper spectrum will be beneficial. Keep in mind the lightprint (like footprint) of those lights is small. At most you can do 3 plants under one. I started to buy 4 UFO's for my grow, but thought the overhead 120's had better coverage. You may have to mount the UFO at an angle and place it just lower than the HID lamp. Make sure that ANY LED lamp you buy has 1w diodes and is a tri or quad band light. Let us know what you decide to do. The UFO can also be used alone to veg if you wish. I'm tempted to use FL's in my flower as supplement, but this first LED grow will be 100% just so I can see for myself what they are capable of. I have seen several good grows that hit 1 gram per watt on two plant grows. We'll know in about 8 more weeks how mine did. The next batch are already vegging.
luckyskindaguy
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I'll do what you did to me....." Supplimental lighting
" lol, j/k with ya
Katatawnic
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Thank you, Serapis. I'll just stick with my T5s for now then. They work wonderfully, and I've had nothing but good luck and results with them. I just thought I'd go with LEDs for lower temps and wattage, but this would be an investment I absolutely cannot afford, and with the size of my grow, I'd end up using just as many watts as I am now; so there goes my goal to lower my electric bill by even $10.
To clarify, I was going to get one or two at a time, to supplement my T5s and get more in increments as time/money allotted till I could replace my T5s altogether; probably one more purchase a month.I can replace all of my current T5 bulbs for $40, plus get a new T5 set for my veg area for $149 (which I will do this month instead of getting LEDs). BTW, they are the same brand I've currently got, so I won't need to worry about reduced quality. So that's where I'll remain for now... stick with what I know, as well as what I can afford.
I am still very interested in LEDs for future endeavors, but that'll just have to wait till finances improve exponentially. BTW, your plants look very healthy and gorgeous and vibrant. Your GJ is what made me decide to take the LED leap. That'll just have to wait a while, though. I wanted to bring down my electric bill (not that T5s suck up that much power, but still more than LEDs do; at least the ones I've been looking at anyway), but I'm not crazy enough to sacrifice yield for a few dollars a month in utilities.
Thanks again, Serapis... you just saved me a ton of money and migraines.
EDIT: GGGGRRRRR... I've gotta spread some more love around before I can rep you.
Consider this a +rep!
Grumpy Old Dreamer
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Did your research cover the Kessil h150 LED light ... This may be worth watching for an insight into one type of LED technology.
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luckyskindaguy
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Holy Crap! $300 for a 36w unit? That's gonna be a hard sell. Great video though
GreenNerd420
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It's really a finesse thing.
GreenNerd420
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Would it be possible for you to post some videos of your room? I would love to actually see it on film. For some reason, it seems like video gives a better perspective of the room's setup. If not, I understand.
Grumpy Old Dreamer
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Yea, it is a bit on the expensive side although you can get them for around $250.00.
They don't have a huge footprint (about 2 foot dia at optimum height) but they are supposed to have great light penetration and the light is all focussed into a small area and none is wasted.
As these have been developed specifically for the horticulture market, and are not generic LED's that have a million uses, they should be exactly what the plants need to grow.
I have a feeling that as the costs of electricity continue to soar, LED's will become more advanced and start to replace the old technology.
Coincidentally, my grow space will allow roughly a 2 foot diameter scrog and by keeping this type of light at the optimum height I should be able to get maximum benefit from every photon of light, with a few satelite CFL's to illuminate the edges of the grow (if needed). I bought one of the Magenta H150 lights to try it out.
If I run my grow without any supplementary CFL side lighting, I will be growing using just 34W of power - in fact I might just do that and see what my yield per watt turns out to be - could be interesting.
420n00b
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No video but you can see some basic pics via my sig. If you have replies please do so in my grow journal assuming your comments are helpful and/or constructive.
Serapis
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G.O.D. , if you do decide to do that, please link up a grow journal URL. I'd be interested in following it through.
ps... My ladies are starting to stink a bit. Venting outside now and air proofed my grow room door. Waitin on ONA linen to get here, got both gel and liquid to reconstitute gel. Gonna be smelling like sheets in here soon. April fresh. lol...
ps... My ladies are starting to stink a bit. Venting outside now and air proofed my grow room door. Waitin on ONA linen to get here, got both gel and liquid to reconstitute gel. Gonna be smelling like sheets in here soon. April fresh. lol...
Grumpy Old Dreamer
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Hopefully my Red Dragon plant will be under the scrog screen in about 7 days, then probably another 7 days before I fire up the LED, remove the CFL's (start a new veg chamber) and switch to 12/12.
It was by following your LED grow that I became interested in LED's but the stuff that is readily available in Australia is the totally rubbish eBay/Chinese stop light panels and UFO's.
The more research I did the more I didn't want to waste my money on rubbish.
The Kessil H150 is expensive, it is also cutting edge technology and perfectly suits my grow space.
I just repotted my plant last night, I have the H150, my SCROG screen is ready to be attached to the pot - all I am waiting for is more growth ... and I really can't wait to fire up the "energy beam" and see what it does.
There are plenty of youtube vids of what they do to tomato plants - amazing growth, but I haven't found a single youtube vid of cannabis under a Kessil light.
The link to the grow is in my sig ... stay tuned, I think it will start to get interesting in a couple of weeks.
luckyskindaguy
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Hey Serapis,
How tall are the ones you have in flower? They look like they are about 10-12" range, is that right?
I did my final nute change before flush as well as posted new pics of the seedlings from the bagseed I got out of the purple strain. Come check it out if you haven't recently
I flush in 8 and cut in 12!
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