Fire Dept. watches house burn to ground with 3 dogs and cat inside over $75

[moash]

even if he didnt pay,they should have put it out and fee him later
isnt that what companies do?give an option to pay a service,and if it isnt paid and is used then they tax ur ass the next billing period
like where i live,u can pay 5 extra dollars on the water bill and get free ambulance rides
but if u dont pay its 250 for the ride

 

[doc111]

okay, so there's a lot of logic out there that can be used to describe just how ridiculous this is. yet, from an ethical point of view, the firefighters should have put out the fire, simply put. regardless if the man could have tried to save his pets, or regardless of how the fire started.

i don't know any firefighters that are in it for the money, they want to save people and fight fires, at least. you must be a brainwashed firefighter to stand around while a person's house and pets are burning, while the man is pleading, and do nothing because of a trivial fee.

after watching the video, there are two constants, the man is dumb as shit, and the fd is heartless. the fire should have not happened in the first place, but the fd acting like a fucking insurance company? pffft.

Everyone needs to understand one thing here. Firefighters take orders, just like a soldier. If the incident commander says hold fast, you hold fast. Trust me, there is not a firefighter alive who wants to do anything more than to fight a good working fire. Not that they wish any ill on anyone, but if it is gonna happen, they want to be the ones to run in and slay the dragon! There are so few fires these days, with a few exceptions, virtually every firefighter can't wait for the opportunity to be able to use his craft. It's without a doubt one of the toughest jobs, on a physical and emotional level, but you won't find a more devoted group of people anywhere.

this does not even represent those firefighters, really. i watched a follow up on this, the homeowner says he got many condolences from them and that many couldn't sleep that night, some even cried.

I'm not surprised. I've done more ice rescues on dogs than people. A fireman is always devastated when a life is lost, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant. A good firefighter learns what was done wrong, fixes it and doesn't let it happen again if he can help it.

 

[fabfun]

[video=youtube;w6GzFb7tRtU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6GzFb7tRtU&feature=player_embedded#![/video]


then look at how they got blasted for saving this dog
http://www.ohmidog.com/2010/01/26/firefighters-defend-effort-to-save-dog-from-river/

Everyone needs to understand one thing here. Firefighters take orders, just like a soldier. If the incident commander says hold fast, you hold fast. Trust me, there is not a firefighter alive who wants to do anything more than to fight a good working fire. Not that they wish any ill on anyone, but if it is gonna happen, they want to be the ones to run in and slay the dragon! There are so few fires these days, with a few exceptions, virtually every firefighter can't wait for the opportunity to be able to use his craft. It's without a doubt one of the toughest jobs, on a physical and emotional level, but you won't find a more devoted group of people anywhere.

I'm not surprised. I've done more ice rescues on dogs than people. A fireman is always devastated when a life is lost, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant. A good firefighter learns what was done wrong, fixes it and doesn't let it happen again if he can help it.

 

[fabfun]

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2009/07/jersey_city_hero_cop_marc_dina.html
i guess the poster who said fuck police feels that way about this guy too

to condemn a whole group of people for the actions of few shows how stupid he is

 

[upthearsenal]

Everyone needs to understand one thing here. Firefighters take orders, just like a soldier. If the incident commander says hold fast, you hold fast. Trust me, there is not a firefighter alive who wants to do anything more than to fight a good working fire. Not that they wish any ill on anyone, but if it is gonna happen, they want to be the ones to run in and slay the dragon! There are so few fires these days, with a few exceptions, virtually every firefighter can't wait for the opportunity to be able to use his craft. It's without a doubt one of the toughest jobs, on a physical and emotional level, but you won't find a more devoted group of people anywhere.

I'm not surprised. I've done more ice rescues on dogs than people. A fireman is always devastated when a life is lost, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant. A good firefighter learns what was done wrong, fixes it and doesn't let it happen again if he can help it.

that's the point. the fact that the incident commander is telling them to hold fast is a problem. i agree with your description of the typical firefighter, the ones i have met are the same way. yet there is an obvious issue when not only the IC but the subordinate FFs are not doing a damn thing. it's one thing to follow sensible orders, it's another thing to follow blindly and not understand the implications their actions will have on this man and his family. do they not realize that the monetary value and the principle of this law are completely trival compared to this man's life, and his pet's lifes.

 

[doc111]

[video=youtube;w6GzFb7tRtU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6GzFb7tRtU&feature=player_embedded#![/video]


then look at how they got blasted for saving this dog
http://www.ohmidog.com/2010/01/26/firefighters-defend-effort-to-save-dog-from-river/

That is incredibly dangerous what that firefighter did.............and for a dog! Firefighters love dogs, with a few exceptions, of course. And that guy didn't give it a second thought and would do it again. But fuck firefighters, right?

 

[doc111]

that's the point. the fact that the incident commander is telling them to hold fast is a problem. i agree with your description of the typical firefighter, the ones i have met are the same way. yet there is an obvious issue when not only the IC but the subordinate FFs are not doing a damn thing. it's one thing to follow sensible orders, it's another thing to follow blindly and not understand the implications their actions will have on this man and his family. do they not realize that the monetary value and the principle of this law are completely trival compared to this man's life, and his pet's lifes.

Well, clearly, the man's life was in no danger or they would've gone into action, all else be damned. The IC doesn't make the call not to fight a fire unless there is some safety related reason not to go in. This order came down from the powers on high. I can't answer why these guys didn't go against the IC or why the IC didn't go against the politician who ordered him not to fight a fire where the victim didn't pay a $75 fee. Or maybe I can. It's called discipline, and without it you are a dead man in the fire service! Hindsight is a bitch. I'm sure they would all do it differently if they could.

 

[fabfun]

http://www.khou.com/home/Firefighter-bitten-by-dog-while-working-northwest-Houston-apartment-fire-101224824.html

I wonder if this firefighter said fuck dogs after this
and scoll down to see the comment posted by buttercup69 a female

buttercup69 said on August 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Leave the pets where they are guys...fight the fire..A dog is not worth saving to have our Firemen hurt.

That is incredibly dangerous what that firefighter did.............and for a dog! Firefighters love dogs, with a few exceptions, of course. And that guy didn't give it a second thought and would do it again. But fuck firefighters, right?

 

[fabfun]

they should have put out the fire and then charged him double the $75 then gave him the max fine for burning when there was a burn ban and his neighbor should sue the fuck out him for being a dumbass and almost burning his house down, sorry but i got no sympathy for the guy i feel sorry for the the animals but fuck the guy who took a gamble by not paying and burning when there is a burn ban thats why they have burn bans because u risk to fires getting out of control so he needs to dry it up wipe his eyes and then kick his own ass

 

[doc111]

they should have put out the fire and then charged him double the $75 then gave him the max fine for burning when there was a burn ban and his neighbor should sue the fuck out him for being a dumbass and almost burning his house down, sorry but i got no sympathy for the guy i feel sorry for the the animals but fuck the guy who took a gamble by not paying and burning when there is a burn ban thats why they have burn bans because u risk to fires getting out of control so he needs to dry it up wipe his eyes and then kick his own ass

Totally agree.

 

[doc111]

i agree they should have helped and im sure after this is all over news they wont let it happen again

and in JFA916 case maybe they should bother to risk their lives to save him but u know what im sure they would anyways even if he was yelling at them fuck the firefighters

I've had way worse things said to me and I still did my job. I've been kicked, punched, bitten, stabbed, spat on, peed on, shit on bled on and vomitted on (I'm sure I'm forgetting some things). It never made a damn bit of difference to me. I still did my job.

 

[rucca]

They should've saved his house for sure.... but then what? Charge him a fee? It'd have to be a lot... prolly charge him $75 for every year he didn't pay, plus $1500? I dunno... my house has never burnt down... maybe I'll risk it - they'll put it out anyway and I'm out $1500.... whats the proper fine for this if they had put out his house? So other people don't start not paying....

 

[UncleBuck]

They should've saved his house for sure.... but then what? Charge him a fee? It'd have to be a lot... prolly charge him $75 for every year he didn't pay, plus $1500? I dunno... my house has never burnt down... maybe I'll risk it - they'll put it out anyway and I'm out $1500.... whats the proper fine for this if they had put out his house? So other people don't start not paying....

that would have been a good idea, in hindsight.

$75 fee, and some penalty that discourages people form not paying. maybe it could be based on years of residency and number of fee renewals.

the guy who gave the orders to not hose down the house was out playing golf at the time. what a gem.

 

[fabfun]

Thanks for your service DOC111

I've had way worse things said to me and I still did my job. I've been kicked, punched, bitten, stabbed, spat on, peed on, shit on bled on and vomitted on (I'm sure I'm forgetting some things). It never made a damn bit of difference to me. I still did my job.

 

[jfa916]

i like firefighter in my city but after i heard this story that they dont save a mans house who he most lily worked 4 his whole over 75 fucking dollars comon now

 

[doc111]

Thanks for your service DOC111

No problem my friend.

i like firefighter in my city but after i heard this story that they dont save a mans house who he most lily worked 4 his whole over 75 fucking dollars comon now

You made a blanket statement based on the actions of a handful of guys. When a person is conditioned to following orders, which is essential to the fire service, military, police, etc., it is very hard to break that conditioning down on the spot even in the face of an unlawful or morally wrong order. When firefighters don't follow orders, people die. I think everyone agrees it was a fucked up move on the part of the fire dept. and given the chance they would probably do things differently. What isn't really being discussed is where did that order come from, and how did they know this one guy didn't pay his bill?

 

[Jer La Mota]

That's disgusting, and inhumane ..

My condolences to the cranick family, but I do have to point out it DOES say the grand son was burning trash ?? why, and how old was he ? he should have been watched ..

Doesn't change the fact that they should have acted as good Samaritans, instead of watching and doing nothing ..