Is this a good plan for flowering stage? "GREAT INDIAN RECIPIES"

mr.india

mr.india

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Hi, all sweet organic growers.. I need a little advice, ideas or tips from you.. Pls, correct me if i am doing wrong..
Ok, my all 8 sativa plants are around 2months old growing at my backyard in a 80 gallon of cemented smart pot and getting 8hours of direct sun and have started flowering..
I am planning to start giving them flowering nutes from tommorow but at my town i can't find bone meal or bat guano.. So, i have no other option other than using 'superphosphate' NPK 0-16-0

Ok, My question is can i use 'homemade fish emulsion' NPK 5-1-1 for providing "N",
'superphosphate' NPK 0-16-0 for "P" and "homemade banana peel liquid fertilizer" NPK 0-1-15, handful of 'wood ash' and 'mollases' for "K"
i shall be using all these stuff in limited quantity so that it can give my plant NPK around 5-18-16 (approx) totally...
Is this a good plan? Pls guide me regarding the quantity to use or in general..
Thnx alot for reading will +rep
 
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madodah

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You're not going to like it, but here's a quote from another forum:

"During my lifetime superphosphate has never been recognized by anyone as an acceptable organic product. Sir Albert Howard wrote against its use as did J. I. and Robert Rodale. Many other organic garden writers over the past 50 or so years that I have been gardening organically have found superphosphate unacceptable to organic gardeners because of the acid bath used during its processing, that makes the nutrient too readily available bypassing natures soil bacteria. Seems there was a study some years ago that showed that superphosphate, applied to soil, was harmful to the soil bacteria and earthworms, but mostly the objection is that the acid bath puts an unnecessary step in the processing of it. There is no reason to do that and that process adds major pollutants to our environment that we do not need."
 
mr.india

mr.india

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Humus Joe said:
Mr India brother man lol

ALL ur OWN advices are just FINE, with the exception to the afore mentioned superphosphate.
Use anything and everything that would be of benefit to ur soil microbes, and listen to the plant, she will guide you.
Your own thinking is quiet logical and right, find natural sources of manures like pigeon shit deposits, its one of the best,.
Feeding the soil holistically is more important then concentrating on npk's wen growing ourdoors, organically IMO, because the plant takes what it needs from the soil, leaving wot it doesnt.

Also the chemical reactions that occour in the soil wen certain nutrient levels are raised is beyond most layman growers like ourselves, that is understanding the things that happen wen certain levels are increased, u dont always get the desired outcome. Im prob being pedantic right now, so woteva, greets.
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Bro, i dont have any option left..
I can't find bat guano or any organic liquid fert here.. TO SAD!!
 
mr.india

mr.india

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Making my own homemade organic fish, banana and manures ferts have burned the my nose hairs.. LOL
 
mr.india

mr.india

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madodah said:
You're not going to like it, but here's a quote from another forum:

"During my lifetime superphosphate has never been recognized by anyone as an acceptable organic product. Sir Albert Howard wrote against its use as did J. I. and Robert Rodale. Many other organic garden writers over the past 50 or so years that I have been gardening organically have found superphosphate unacceptable to organic gardeners because of the acid bath used during its processing, that makes the nutrient too readily available bypassing natures soil bacteria. Seems there was a study some years ago that showed that superphosphate, applied to soil, was harmful to the soil bacteria and earthworms, but mostly the objection is that the acid bath puts an unnecessary step in the processing of it. There is no reason to do that and that process adds major pollutants to our environment that we do not need."
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yeah, i was reading a lot about superphosphate these days and found it does harm the soil a little by a long term use (years).. but i have also heard about its good results.. Many of the growers getting just double of the normal yeild, i also read that nitrogen is the only cause of bad taste/hash ..
Today i have sprinkled 1 tablespoon of superphosphate on one of the babe.. Lets wait for the results
 
mr.india

mr.india

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Humus Joe said:
Mr india, hows the nose hairs!? Haha, sounds like a delicious little recipe, pungent yum yum..

In ur reading, did it say how long it would take for the superphos to break down into a form available to the plants?
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superphosphate is a fast reacting and long lasting fert.. In some countries superphosphate is allowed to organic growing..
Yeah, man most dangerous among them is fish emulsion.. but in other way it helps to cover the smell of plant.. COOL!!
 
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RRLBT420

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as much as you'll hate me for saying it... Miracle Gro makes a line called Organic Choice. they should sell the bone meal at your local wal-mart or home depot. i've used it before, and if you apply it at the beginning of flowering it should be sufficient for around a 9 week strain. i know you probably don't want to, but MG is still better than superphosphate from what it sounds
 
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madodah

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RRLBT420 said:
as much as you'll hate me for saying it... Miracle Gro makes a line called Organic Choice. they should sell the bone meal at your local wal-mart or home depot. i've used it before, and if you apply it at the beginning of flowering it should be sufficient for around a 9 week strain. i know you probably don't want to, but MG is still better than superphosphate from what it sounds
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Have you researched the MG components? I put MG right up there with Monsanto as being purposefully environmentally destructive to gain market share. However, I'm open to opinion change, even though I'd never use MG products, and as MG is so readily available the information could benefit other posters.
 
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RRLBT420

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madodah said:
Have you researched the MG components? I put MG right up there with Monsanto as being purposefully environmentally destructive to gain market share. However, I'm open to opinion change, even though I'd never use MG products, and as MG is so readily available the information could benefit other posters.
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can't say i've researched the components, but from what these people are saying about superphosphate, it sounds like the devil. i only used miracle gro my first grow, and only because i was ignorant. i use botanicare myself these days, so i guess you could say i grow organic hydro. thanks to new CO laws, medical growers are required to label all non-organic nutrients/pesticides used in the grow. i would never recommend miracle gro if there was another option, but you wouldn't recommend Superphosphate if there was another option either. as for monsanto, yeah we all know they're fucked up, but i guarantee if you've ever eaten a salad you've eaten a monsanto product. i'm not saying they're good, but i will say that if you try to buy a non-monsanto seed these days you'll look all day... at least in the U.S. pot is the only crop they don't have a majority control over, but they're working on it. canada is also supposedly going to contract with them requiring all medical growers to use their seeds.
 
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madodah

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I'm a living soil practicing advocate and supplements are of no interest other than keeping up with what that preference is doing. Oregon stopped sales of Advanced Nutrient Products (and others) due to lack of component label disclosure. A company can sell products with pesticide content in Oregon but it has to be disclosed on the label. In the US growing world, commercial and personal organic growers, heritage seeds still command a large market share. There are some very destructive products out there and cannabis forums can provide alternatives for all of them.
 
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RRLBT420

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well, i'm glad to hear somebody finally banned advance lol. i'm aware that there are some seed companies who do offer truly organic, natural seeds. while i can't speak for heritage seeds, if they have a big market share, monsanto will probably buy them out eventually. it happens a lot. take seminis seeds for example... one of the former biggest competitors of monsanto, got bought out, and they refused to disclose which varieties have been touched by monsanto. since it's a government thing to regulate them, and they feed the gov't a bunch of money, nothing will ever be done about it.
 
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madodah

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RRLBT420 said:
well, i'm glad to hear somebody finally banned advance lol. i'm aware that there are some seed companies who do offer truly organic, natural seeds. while i can't speak for heritage seeds, if they have a big market share, monsanto will probably buy them out eventually. it happens a lot. take seminis seeds for example... one of the former biggest competitors of monsanto, got bought out, and they refused to disclose which varieties have been touched by monsanto. since it's a government thing to regulate them, and they feed the gov't a bunch of money, nothing will ever be done about it.
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No different than posters who shill 'double the size of your buds' with pick a brand. Money talks.
 
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madodah

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Superphosphate was a big name in its field. Fox Farms has lost its glow. There are still many people who purchase products based solely on marketing claims.
 
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