Meat in the mix

[420God]

I CALL BULLSHIT!

As a steakhouse chef and long time grower I will tell you one thing for certain: WE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE! Your statement displays such ignorance that it is almost shameful. Are you going to try to tell me that crappy commercial beef tastes the same as wagyu or kobe?... because you would be so WRONG and the world agrees. You must be a McDonalds fan... The grass fed beef I buy from the farmer's market taste way more gamey than commercial BS beef. Really?

At least I'm showing proof of what I'm doing.

 

[420God]

funny.
i hope you realize i'm not trying to fight with you, but i just don't agree with fucking with an animals hormonal levels with HGPs just to make it bigger, and yeah you can correlate some organic based fertilizer with HGPs but you know what they say about correlation ;p

like using inorganic fertilizers, HGPs can be used incorrectly and cause harm to the recieving organism, and reduce quality.
and i'm not a vegetarian because i think eating meat is wrong, i'm a vegetarian because of shit like this.

Well if it makes you feel any better, I don't do that to my cattle. They're fed well and have a lot of land to graze in. I'm more of a hobby farmer than anything. Sorry if I frustrated you with that comparision.

 

[HI Souljah]

Looks like you got yourself some "BONE" meal! Haha literally!

 

[420God]

Here's pics of the veg pod. I built the pod round so the little computer fan is a lot more effective as it creates a spiraling vortex of air that pulls from the bottom and pushes out the top and utilizes the light better as there is no angles to reflect off of and loose strength.

It's made out of some aluminum flashing I had laying around that I taped in circle and put on an adjustable coat rack. The coat rack slides up and down and locks in place so it works great for hanging a light.

 

[Spanishfly]

It is a long acknowledged fact that animal products are not good for compost - which has been made for centuries by adding green and brown vegetable based materials to a heap or composter, and letting it compost for a year or so. It is done when you have a rich brown humus that has no resemblance to the original materials. A properly operating compost heap has a pleasant, earthy smell at all times.

Let an animal rot for a year and no one will want to go within a mile of it. There was a rotting dog a couple of miles from here and the stink was absolutely unbelievable - nobody would want to put that in their soil. Bad idea, IMHO, and asking for the health problems that are associated with rotting corpses. Which is why animal corpses not intended to be eaten are buried DEEP or burnt - they find their way back into the food chain by those routes in God´s good time.

Best to stick to the wisdom accrued over centuries - based on how nature really does work.

 

[420God]

It is a long acknowledged fact that animal products are not good for compost - which has been made for centuries by adding green and brown vegetable based materials to a heap or composter, and letting it compost for a year or so. It is done when you have a rich brown humus that has no resemblance to the original materials. A properly operating compost heap has a pleasant, earthy smell at all times.

Let an animal rot for a year and no one will want to go within a mile of it. There was a rotting dog a couple of miles from here and the stink was absolutely unbelievable - nobody would want to put that in their soil. Bad idea, IMHO, and asking for the health problems that are associated with rotting corpses. Which is why animal corpses not intended to be eaten are buried DEEP or burnt - they find their way back into the food chain by those routes in God´s good time.

Best to stick to the wisdom accrued over centuries - based on how nature really does work.

We have all posted proof backing up every statement ever made yet you still try and argue with nothing but opinion.

 

[Matt Rize]

You are so ignorant. We have all posted proof backing up every statement ever made yet you still try and argue with nothing but opinion. You are a useless troll to this site.

Okay, I'll start by saying that some of us are just grossed out by dead animals, and that "all veggie" compost IS predominate in all gardening.

But, animals do contain all sorts of nutrition, and IF handled correctly is a safe (and cheap if you hunt) source of plant/people food.

But that is a big "if", glad to see you are taking the safety precautions.

 

[420God]

Okay, I'll start by saying that some of us are just grossed out by dead animals, and that "all veggie" compost IS predominate in all gardening.

But, animals do contain all sorts of nutrition, and IF handled correctly is a safe (and cheap if you hunt) source of plant/people food.

But that is a big "if", glad to see you are taking the safety precautions.

I actually take it one step further and process some of the animals I pick up for rendering and donate meat to local Raptor Centers and small zoos. I am very in touch with nature and help when I can.
It might be the Chippewa in me.

 

[420God]

Who is WE??? It is only YOU, 420, who are proposing to feed flesh to vegetarians. And lots of others have added negative comments.

Did you actually read my last post before you filled your pen with vitriol?? The wisdom gained by centuries of experience is not simply MY OPINION, it is the accepted method of making compost.

The idea that we should add MEAT to compost is YOUR opinion and YOURS only.

And when you grow up you may find it possible to disagree with someone without calling names.

It very clearly explains the process of composting animal remains which I follow very closely to in the link I posted. Along with the uses of molasses in many other threads.

So you think it's gross, so do alot of people and that's why I get paid good money for the work I do and the fertilizer I make. I don't mind getting my hands dirty.

 

[Spanishfly]

You are so ignorant. We have all posted proof backing up every statement ever made yet you still try and argue with nothing but opinion. You are a useless troll to this site.

I think that the post I made, #25, that you object to is totally correct in its description of traditional compost making methods.

Not sure why you think I am IGNORANT and a TROLL - maybe when you grow up you will be able to disagree with people without the totally childish name calling.

 

[420God]

It is a long acknowledged fact that animal products are not good for compost - which has been made for centuries by adding green and brown vegetable based materials to a heap or composter, and letting it compost for a year or so. It is done when you have a rich brown humus that has no resemblance to the original materials. A properly operating compost heap has a pleasant, earthy smell at all times.

Let an animal rot for a year and no one will want to go within a mile of it. There was a rotting dog a couple of miles from here and the stink was absolutely unbelievable - nobody would want to put that in their soil. Bad idea, IMHO, and asking for the health problems that are associated with rotting corpses. Which is why animal corpses not intended to be eaten are buried DEEP or burnt - they find their way back into the food chain by those routes in God´s good time.

Best to stick to the wisdom accrued over centuries - based on how nature really does work.

The first line of this comment is entirely wrong. It is perfectly ok to add animals remains if handled correctly. Sorry for calling you ingnorant but it makes me upset when people shun the idea of what I'm doing just because you have different personal opinions on the matter. My way works, I'm not trying to say it's better, just different.

 

[corúm]

Here's pics of the veg pod. I built the pod round so the little computer fan is a lot more effective as it creates a spiraling vortex of air that pulls from the bottom and pushes out the top and utilizes the light better as there is no angles to reflect off of and loose strength.

It's made out of some aluminum flashing I had laying around that I taped in circle and put on an adjustable coat rack. The coat rack slides up and down and locks in place so it works great for hanging a light.

LOL..!! that thing is awsome man... 'the veg pod'.. well named too.

Non vegetarian weed. gimme some!

 

[sk'mo]

Way to use your leftovers, 420God! I used to see this done at a slaughterhouse where I dropped off leaves from fall cleanups. Never got a chance to use the compost though. How long does it take to break down the bone?

Spanishfly,

You mention burying the animals in holes. Think of this as an above-ground hole. One cow in a 7 foot deep pile of compost. I'll bet you a shiny nickel that you could slow-cook a roast in the centre. It's nothing like roadkill. IMO, a guiding ethic for thousands of years has been to use what you have and let nothing go to waste. If one can safely compost livestock, then why not?

The main reason you would notice the difference in the steaks is because Kobe beef is a different breed of cattle. I agree with you though, I've noticed a difference in the taste of home raised pork from store-bought. Adding weight or size to something doesn't necessarily mean better taste.

 

[420God]

For deer and other animals with smaller bones only about 3 weeks. I have cow bones still being circulated 3-4 months from the time they start being composted.

 

[sk'mo]

That's cool. You'll never be short on Ca. Do you need to build them up or anything during the winter?

That is one sweet plant, BTW. Huge frickin' stem!

 

[420God]

They just slow down in the winter but you can still see steam when I rotate the piles. I can actually get a good 8ft tall, 20 ft round pile of compost to dissolve over 100 deer before I have to switch it out for all new manure. When it's all said and done the compost is midnight black and is basically pure plant food. Takes about 6 months each pile.

 

[MacGuyver4.2.0]

Adding MEATS or flesh to a compost pile is NOT a good idea...for many reasons. Besides the obvious problems (and smell) of rotting meat, bacteria NOT helpful to man or plant will be present. Bugs and other undesirable parasites will flock to this like a magnet. Compost that is organic/plant based is really the best. Although meat or flesh can orginate from herbivores, you want to stay as low on the food chain as possible. Plant matter does not have the chances of building harmful toxins as easy as organisims higher on the food chain can. Think Mercury and Lead, among others. Plant based material is very near the bottom of the food chain meaning they will not pick up as many pollutants along the way.

Looks like you are going large scale, but for all you DIY types- I have a real nice EcoComposter I bought at Costco that is a sphere, it rotates 360 degrees and is black, so it absorbs the suns warmth keeping the beneficial microbes alive. Some of the best soil I have ever made comes out this simple sphere and it does 50 gallons at a time. It was 99 bucks and well worth it IMO. (The larger one goes for more (199.00) which I may pick up next as it holds more- 71 gallons)
http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?ec=BCCA-EC17294-ProdID10334521&pos=1&whse=BCCA&topnav=&prodid=10323101&lang=en-CA

 

[420God]

Adding MEATS or flesh to a compost pile is NOT a good idea...for many reasons. Besides the obvious problems (and smell) of rotting meat, bacteria NOT helpful to man or plant will be present. Bugs and other undesirable parasites will flock to this like a magnet. Compost that is organic/plant based is really the best. Although meat or flesh can orginate from herbivores, you want to stay as low on the food chain as possible. Plant matter does not have the chances of building harmful toxins as easy as organisims higher on the food chain can. Think Mercury and Lead, among others. Plant based material is very near the bottom of the food chain meaning they will not pick up as many pollutants along the way.

Looks like you are going large scale, but for all you DIY types- I have a real nice EcoComposter I bought at Costco that is a sphere, it rotates 360 degrees and is black, so it absorbs the suns warmth keeping the beneficial microbes alive. Some of the best soil I have ever made comes out this simple sphere and it does 50 gallons at a time. It was 99 bucks and well worth it IMO. (The larger one goes for more (199.00) which I may pick up next as it holds more- 71 gallons)
http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?ec=BCCA-EC17294-ProdID10334521&pos=1&whse=BCCA&topnav=&prodid=10323101&lang=en-CA

If you're trying to argue that what I'm doing doesn't work or is not as good than you clearly didn't read the link I posted on the first page.

Do you know why bat guano and sea bird shit is so highly sought after in gardening, it's because they eat living things and there feces has more nutrients than basic plant material. I do this for a living so I think I know what I'm talking about, almost $100k a year so maybe you should educate yourself.

 

[God's Balls]

John Wayne Gacy grew some lovely plants in his crawlspace. You should do quite well.

 

[420God]

So I'm glad to say the sprouts have or are starting to break the surface already. One of the WC seem to be growing a bit quicker than the other 3. It has been 2 days since I put them to soil so I'm very happy with the progress so far.