Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

[klmmicro]

None of the Vote YES crowd has answered my question about if they think that the Hemp & Health bill is better than Prop 19? And if so, why not wait for that one to come around and try to make sure that it gets in?

Also, mccumcumber, I don't want ANYBODY smoking toxic bud, I actually care about other peoples health as well....

I'm sorry, I do not see a "Hemp & Health" prop on the ballot...you mean something that may possibly be worked on sometime down the road?

 

[fdd2blk]

I'm sorry, I do not see a "Hemp & Health" prop on the ballot...you mean something that may possibly be worked on sometime down the road?

sure, why not?

 

[klmmicro]

sure, why not?

Now THAT is something I can get behind!

 

[fdd2blk]

Now THAT is something I can get behind!

about as good as "we can fix it later".

 

[nathenking]

Completely true. Why is it so hard for people to understand how important this is? They think it's so easy to get bills on the ballot that another, better one will pop up next year. It will probably take years for something like this to come about. The only reason it has is because of the financial situation like you stated. It really sickens me to read people are going to blow this off and vote no for personal gains.

Lets just have R. LEE pay for it again.... He has already made millions of his MMJ dispensary. Mind you, off of people that needed medical MJ for relief... Wow, what a stand up guy R. LEE is, now he wants to take it a step further so he can make even more money off of it... Awesome for R. LEE, he gets to make millions while the majority of us can grow 2 pounds every 2.5 months... wow, that is really fare to us... Lets Vote Yes so R. LEE and a few others can become rich off a plant that we all love, that is another reason I dont support it.... keep the money in the people that need the moneys pocket, not these super rich capitalist pigs.... 2cents...

 

[nathenking]

better watch out, nathenking might start trolling you and calling you a fake as pot smoker and take down you avatar for wanting to vote yes on prop 19.




So you admit to and condone abusing the system. That's great to hear! Everybody abusing MMJ is going to really help this country and stop the war on drugs and push for federal legalization. Me, fake? Wow, that comment alone contradicts everything you babble on about. and the Internet Troll of the Year award goes to!

The troll of the year award goes to ME, yay im so excited that you have distaste for me... that means im living the life I should br, if i were to be accepted by you then I would not be true to myself my man... No hard feelings man, lets just dead this issue now, honestly you dont care about me and I dont care about you... Im voting no, your voting yes... There you go, enough said, we cancel each other out... take care

 

[Dan Kone]

Lets just have R. LEE pay for it again.... He has already made millions of his MMJ dispensary. Mind you, off of people that needed medical MJ for relief... Wow, what a stand up guy R. LEE is, now he wants to take it a step further so he can make even more money off of it... Awesome for R. LEE, he gets to make millions while the majority of us can grow 2 pounds every 2.5 months... wow, that is really fare to us... Lets Vote Yes so R. LEE and a few others can become rich of a plant that we all love, that is another reason I dont support it....

Get real. People have been making millions of dollars off of cannabis for over 40 years now. Richard Lee didn't invent the concept of making money off of it. With or without prop 19, prop 215, or any other law, there will be people making millions of dollars off of it. The idea that opposing prop 19 somehow stops people from having large scale grows is laughable. They've been around since the 60's.

Didn't you say you got busted with 60 pounds? That's about $180k worth of bud wholesale. Let me guess... That was all for personal use right? Or were you making a buck or two off of that yourself? Why is it ok for you to make a buck, but when other people do it then it's evil? Do as I say, not as I do right?

The "I gots mine" opposition to prop 19 is so hypocritical. Here's a guy who got caught making money off of bud while complaining that if it's legal others might make money, which of course is evil.

Get off your high horse. It's pretty easy to tell you oppose prop 19 for one reason. You're afraid it'll cut into your own business. Of course you'll never admit that, but everyone can see it plain as day.

 

[nathenking]

Get real. People have been making millions of dollars off of cannabis for over 40 years now. Richard Lee didn't invent the concept of making money off of it. With or without prop 19, prop 215, or any other law, there will be people making millions of dollars off of it. The idea that opposing prop 19 somehow stops people from having large scale grows is laughable. They've been around since the 60's.

Didn't you say you got busted with 60 pounds? That's about $180k worth of bud wholesale. Let me guess... That was all for personal use right? Or were you making a buck or two off of that yourself? Why is it ok for you to make a buck, but when other people do it then it's evil? Do as I say, not as I do right?

The "I gots mine" opposition to prop 19 is so hypocritical. Here's a guy who got caught making money off of bud while complaining that if it's legal others might make money, which of course is evil.

Get off your high horse. It's pretty easy to tell you oppose prop 19 for one reason. You're afraid it'll cut into your own business. Of course you'll never admit that, but everyone can see it plain as day.

it wont cut into my business... im already getting MJ at as low a price as possible, not even these warehouses will be cheaper, so it wont actually screw me out of money, but it will screw alot of little folks out of money, so I stand up for them... im such a shitty person.... and yeah i did make a profit considering the risk I was taking... that is something I can live with and do dan...

 

[Dan Kone]

it wont cut into my business... im already getting MJ at as low a price as possible, not even these warehouses will be cheaper, so it wont actually screw me out of money, but it will screw alot of little folks out of money, so I stand up for them... im such a shitty person.... and yeah i did make a profit considering the risk I was taking... that is something I can live with and do dan...

I've got no problem with people growing/selling bud to pay bills. But to say it's ok for you to do that, but if other people do it then they are horrible evil people who must be stopped, then you're being a hypocrite. You're going to oppose a law that could potentially bring an end to prohibition entirely because someone other than you is going to make a buck off of it is a bullshit attitude. Typical "I gots mine, f- everyone else" mentality.

 

[nathenking]

I've got no problem with people growing/selling bud to pay bills. But to say it's ok for you to do that, but if other people do it then they are horrible evil people who must be stopped, then you're being a hypocrite. You're going to oppose a law that could potentially bring an end to prohibition entirely because someone other than you is going to make a buck off of it is a bullshit attitude. Typical "I gots mine, f- everyone else" mentality.

That is how all business work, legal or illegal.... Its cut throat man, that is the way of capitalism... i have a home and a family to take care of, and so do alot of people, so what im saying is that this already wealthy man will be taking money out of people with less.... which i dont like, just like the war on the middle class in this country, this is the same type of thing, screw all the pople in the middle getting by so big rich people can have more.... i dont stand for that, wall street, walmart or any other kind of MOM and POP killer... and that is what this bill means to me and alot of people... So you cant blame us for trying to protect what lively hood we do have in this shitty economy... I think you would do the same thing dan.... But on the other hand, if this bill was written better and didnt favor the rich getting richer than of course I would support it, but it does not, so i dont support it... i think you can understand that man...

 

[Dan Kone]

so what im saying is that this already wealthy man will be taking money out of people with less....

So you think 4 large scale grows, which btw, the DEA has already promised not to allow is going to stop everyone else everywhere in California from being able to make a living? Really? There are already large scale grows both indoor and outdoor all over California. I'm positive you're already aware of this.

As long as you have a high quality product, you'll always be able to get rid of it. You know this, I know this, EVERYONE knows this. Californians aren't going to all of a sudden decide they prefer mass produced schwag over locally grow top shelf is way outside the scope of reality.

 

[nathenking]

So you think 4 large scale grows, which btw, the DEA has already promised not to allow is going to stop everyone else everywhere in California from being able to make a living? Really? There are already large scale grows both indoor and outdoor all over California. I'm positive you're already aware of this.

As long as you have a high quality product, you'll always be able to get rid of it. You know this, I know this, EVERYONE knows this. Californians aren't going to all of a sudden decide they prefer mass produced schwag over locally grow top shelf is way outside the scope of reality.

good point dan, i do believe you are right... now to the real tuff question.... do you think 19 is gonna pass, be close or not make it???

 

[grow space]

I didn't realize the entire United States lived in California. What do you think would of happened if Prop 215 didn't pass? A good bet would be that NO other states would have pass Medical Marijuana laws. Is it really that hard to understand that even if Prop 19 won't affect a lot of Californians It will affect the US as a whole in a much larger way? Do you want to see other states pass marijuana legalization or do you not care enough?

Is that how it is in the west? Once you've got yours, fuck everybody else? Because that is exactly what you're saying.

I dont actually give a shit about the other states, i live in much worse place now..i have to man up to grow my herb and risk of losing my freedom....Because where i live, i m like 95 % sure that my country will do shit when cali legalizes the herb...Other states, yes, i think they will react to it..sorry, this is my opinion, i am an asshole and i like it, and i will go to cali some day and pursue my dreams ! thats it, if u see in this that i say fuck others the see it, i dont give a damn...yeah it would be nice to see that the whole world woudl free the plant, but it int going to happen, cas we are leaded by creed, and the same creed and poisioned even my mind a little! again, sorry, but this is my opinion and only mine!

 

[potroast]

nathen will argue with anyone, HE does not listen to your response, but HE always has another stupid point to make.

HE can make all the money that he wants, he just has a problem with anyone else doing the same.

HE can continue to do what he wants while ignoring the law, so everyone else can just make do for themselves.

HE is already paying low prices for pot, so everyone else can just continue paying more.

HE thinks big business is bad, like WalMart, but his business is just fine with him.

OK nathen, we get it.

 

[nathenking]

nathen will argue with anyone, HE does not listen to your response, but HE always has another stupid point to make.

HE can make all the money that he wants, he just has a problem with anyone else doing the same.

HE can continue to do what he wants while ignoring the law, so everyone else can just make do for themselves.

HE is already paying low prices for pot, so everyone else can just continue paying more.

HE thinks big business is bad, like WalMart, but his business is just fine with him.

OK nathen, we get it.

Finally you got it potroast.... its still gonna be voted NO, so see you at the polls.... if it was such a good bill, me and so many other people would be voting for it.... But its not, so having dignity and a lil bit of self respect tells my inner self to vote no on it... criticize me for thinking for myself and doing what ever I want to weather there are laws or not... its actually quite liberating.... maybe you should take the time and become un afraid, stop watching the TV and start living as truely who you are... instead of being on this board regirgitating the same ole BS man... life is a constant renovation potroast, try not to get to stuck in your ways and and become a square....

 

[Dan Kone]

good point dan, i do believe you are right... now to the real tuff question.... do you think 19 is gonna pass, be close or not make it???

It'll pass, but be very close. It'll only pass because a lot of people who could care less about legalization will vote for it because they see it having an economic benefit to the state. I've talked to several supervisors, city counsel members, even my congressman about this. They are all convinced it'll pass and are preparing for it.

 

[Dan Kone]

nathen will argue with anyone, HE does not listen to your response, but HE always has another stupid point to make.

Naw, he's listening. I tend to argue the same way some times. I may have my opinions and will keep making my case, but I do hear what the other side is saying. I have a feeling he's the same way.

 

[UncleBuck]

do you think 19 is gonna pass, be close or not make it???

it will pass by about 6%, 53% to 47%.

all polls except a few outliers reflect this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_(2010)#Polls

the poll you cite that has it trailing used a sample size of 448 likely voters. the best poll by PPP with 2,004 likely voters has it ahead by far. they also did cross sections that allow you to see how californians feel about 19 by age, gender, political affiliation, etc.

i did a simple breakdown and factored in a higher turnout of conservative voters based on predictable midterm election politics. i also estimated the undecideds to break decidedly for "no". with all these factors AGAINST prop 19, it still passes comfortably.

i encourage you to tell me how i went wrong in my calculations and why you feel prop 19 will not pass, despite a litany of evidence to the contrary.

the link to the PPP poll is within the quote, and ocntains all the info you need to dispute me if you wish.

even if the 34% of self identified californian conservatives, broke towards no on 19 by 7 to 3 (conservative guess)....let's see what would happen with the 66% of liberals and moderates...score so far: 10.2% yes, 23.8% no

27% of californians who are liberal break 4 to 1 in favor of yes (a conservative guess). 5.4% more no, 21.6% more yes. score now: 31.8% yes, 29.2% no.

39% of californians who are moderate break 11 to 9 in favor of yes (yet another conservative guess). 21.45% more yes, 17.55% more no. final score: (drumroll please).....................

53.25% yes, 46.75% no, using CONSERVATIVE estimates of california's population and a recent poll with the largest sampling size of any poll so far on prop 19.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/surveys.asp <--scroll down to california miscellaneous poll, it is a pdf file from which i base all my conservative estimates (meaning i think the conservatives will be out in more force this year).

if they overcome a 6.5% projected loss, i will quit my fake job of predicting political outcomes.

 

[UncleBuck]

about as good as "we can fix it later".

i don't understand what there is to fix.

everybody gets to grow their own damn weed.

what the fuck is wrong with that?

 

[Weedoozie]

i don't understand what there is to fix.

everybody gets to grow their own damn weed.

what the fuck is wrong with that?

The taxes man, the taxes. And the rules regarding the grow size.